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Paul Smyth on loan from QPR (following progress at Leyton Orient p8)
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Couldn’t see the goal, was blinded by his teeth0
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a very very average footballer with a rare decent moment
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Great strike! I saw Orient in pre-seaon at Haringey and chatted to a couple of O's about him and Pratley (of course). He's done well there and they thought he was playing below his level. Seems like he's found somewhere settled and is showing what he can do. Good luck to him.6
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He's definitely not a RB!
Great goal btw. Left foot touch and great overhead with the right.1 -
I thought he was reasonable when with us, especially in retrospect when you consider the money we've since spent on wide attackers like DJ and Kirk.YTS1978 said:Great strike! I saw Orient in pre-seaon at Haringey and chatted to a couple of O's about him and Pratley (of course). He's done well there and they thought he was playing below his level. Seems like he's found somewhere settled and is showing what he can do. Good luck to him.0 -
Many players come and go at Charlton, especially loanees over the last few years. I dont have anything particularly positive to say about his performances for us, but he did at least try! Players slip down the leagues and find their level. He'll make a good living out of the game if he stays fit and its good to see.killerandflash said:
I thought he was reasonable when with us, especially in retrospect when you consider the money we've since spent on wide attackers like DJ and Kirk.YTS1978 said:Great strike! I saw Orient in pre-seaon at Haringey and chatted to a couple of O's about him and Pratley (of course). He's done well there and they thought he was playing below his level. Seems like he's found somewhere settled and is showing what he can do. Good luck to him.
@mendonca haha...I'd forgotten about that game!!!!2 -
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Too good for L2, not good enough for L1.6
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I still find it strange that Bowyer wanted him for 3 transfer windows and still didn't really know what to do with him.killerandflash said:
What I meant was that we would have known his strengths and weaknesses before signing him, seeing that he's been on our radar for a long time. He didn't play as a striker for Wycombe last season and they have the ultimate target man in Akinfenwa for nippy strikers to play offOggy Red said:
Perhaps I should have written:killerandflash said:
That's hardly a secret though, surely we would have known that before we signed him?Oggy Red said:
I don't believe Bowyer had the intention to play Little Smyth as a winger though, more like the 2nd striker ..... in the Leko mould.Cafc43v3r said:
He talked about 433 at the start of the season but since the summer transfer window closed we only played it once, I think, against Accrington?killerandflash said:
We'd been after Smyth for ages, but I'm struggling to understand why as he's not prolific enough to be a striker in a 2, and he's not a dazzling winger either. Back in October this is what Bowyer saidcarly burn said:Agree the multiple positions he can play gave Bowyer too much to tinker with.
Smyth is a Jack of all trades. Master of none. Can't think of a single game where I've thought,'this is crying out for Smyth to come on'
For what it's worth, I hold Washington in similar esteem. Although markedly better than Smyth, I struggle to see where his strongest position is.Charlton Manager Lee Bowyer, wants to play attacking football on the front foot and believes the Northern Ireland international will help the Addicks do just that.
He said: “I think we’ve tried to get him in the last three transfer windows. He’s quick and full of energy and fits well with the type of football we like to play.”
I'm not sure Smyth fits in with any of Bowyer's favourite systems, whether 442, 442 Diamond or wingbacks.
I think Bowyer likes the idea of wingers because it adds pace etc but I don't think he either confident in the rest of the team or really sure how to set up with them.
I think Bowyer has had 8 or 9 players you could describe as wingers but only really Doughty had a serious run in the side there and even then we barley had enough players to leave him out if he wanted to.
I am not sure how many games Smyth started for us, I think it was 5, in 4 different positions.
He made his debut and next few appearances in that striker role.
It didn't long though before Smyth was used more in a wide role.
Even Bowyer thought he was too small and lightweight to be picked us a striker.
By then, "even Bowyer thought he was too small and lightweight to be picked us a striker."
That's what I meant and in the context of what I wrote.
He got 1 goal last season for Wycombe in 21 appearances incidentally1 -
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Incorrect. It's an opinion of where he fits.Leuth said:
There's no such thing as this. The best L2 players would fit in L1 and the worst L1 players wouldn't seem out of place jn L2.Dazzler21 said:Too good for L2, not good enough for L1.
Smyth is probably good enough for L1.
For me he could get in any promotion chasing L2 side, but I don't think he's good enough to be even a lower mid table L1 player consistently. He'd probably fit in any L1 relegation side and I could see him doing that for his career.2 -
Really? He's a full international for a not completely bogus nation, plenty of Championship experience, clearly far too good for L2, wasn't hopeless for us except at wing-back, didn't really have much of a chance under a manager who loathes small tricky attacking players with a furious vengeanceDazzler21 said:
Incorrect. It's an opinion of where he fits.Leuth said:
There's no such thing as this. The best L2 players would fit in L1 and the worst L1 players wouldn't seem out of place jn L2.Dazzler21 said:Too good for L2, not good enough for L1.
Smyth is probably good enough for L1.
For me he could get in any promotion chasing L2 side, but I don't think he's good enough to be even a lower mid table L1 player consistently. He'd probably fit in any L1 relegation side and I could see him doing that for his career.4 -
The choice between him and Kirk for our squad would be an interesting one. Kind of want to see more of Riquelme Kirk as number 10 but honestly if it's a wide man we're talking about I'm having Smyth 10 times out of 102
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Smyth on a free would have been better value than the fees paid for DJ and KirkLeuth said:The choice between him and Kirk for our squad would be an interesting one. Kind of want to see more of Riquelme Kirk as number 10 but honestly if it's a wide man we're talking about I'm having Smyth 10 times out of 104 -
Smyth showing the class that lead us to getting him on loan from a Championship club back in the day.
Never happened with us but sometimes a player needs a step backwards to get his confidence up again and play to his best ability.
The goals he has scored this season shows a young man enjoying his football.
A fair chance we could see him down the Valley next season in a London derby1 -
100% agree.killerandflash said:
Smyth on a free would have been better value than the fees paid for DJ and KirkLeuth said:The choice between him and Kirk for our squad would be an interesting one. Kind of want to see more of Riquelme Kirk as number 10 but honestly if it's a wide man we're talking about I'm having Smyth 10 times out of 10
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But not as playing as a Right Wing Back.Scoham said:0 -
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Sometimes you need to drop a level to get your confidence going again1
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Sometimes you need to leave Charlton...shirty5 said:Sometimes you need to drop a level to get your confidence going again1 -
QPRhoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Sometimes you need to leave Charlton...shirty5 said:Sometimes you need to drop a level to get your confidence going again1 -
I forgot he was only on loan with us.shirty5 said:
QPRhoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Sometimes you need to leave Charlton...shirty5 said:Sometimes you need to drop a level to get your confidence going again0 -
Smyth's stats actually don't represent the type of player I thought he was (i.e. a slight, creative winger/wingback) but perhaps that's because of how he was used when with us. His career League record:
Goals - 51
Assists - 8
Bookings - 31
So, actually, he's a niggly forward who likes to get his foot in!0 -
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Have we missed news that Gallen has gone back to QPR?5
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Surprises me that, looked well short of Champ level from what I saw5
