Match thread (+post p30): FA Cup R2 replay: Stockport v Charlton, 7th Dec 2022

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

It's not simply about money if you have useless people in charge. RD and TS have specialised in employing hopeless people.

The majority of clubs in L1 and L2 are run better than us and plenty have lower budgets.

We're a basket case at present....

mogodon said:

I genuinely wonder if Sandgaard even knew we were playing tonight or even gives a toss if he did. Clearly the club means nothing to him other than a way of keeping some of his hangers-on employed. The danger is if we mean so little he won't give a flying one if we go to the wall. He can probably write off most of his investment against taxes. God this is so depressing

Leuth said:

colthe3rd said:

Leuth said:

Oh wait, I forgot, Dobson gave away a penalty, he's crap now, Pratley is much better in my curdled rose-tinted idiot memory, we need someone to push their players over and shout a bit and kick it out of play. Have it

But you also think Morgan is a good player so probably best to wind it in a bit.

He's a talented player who sometimes does good things 

johnny73 said:

If we end up in a relegation fight we are going down. This side is not built to battle for points to stay in a division.

cabbles said:

Simonsen said:

Garrymanilow said:

One of the great ironies of this match is that one of our best players at pushing round lower league teams tends to be Stockley. He's had an absolute pig of a season and manages to find himself suspended for one of the very few games where he might have looked alright. Lovely stuff.

We missed Stockley so badly in the two Stockport games. If he's on the pitch in the 1st game (TBF he would've probably been taken off for Chuks) they might not score the headed equaliser because he is so strong at clearing corners. 

Stockley has to play for all sorts of reasons; allows Chuks to do his thing late on, clears the corners, does at least occupy the defenders with a bit of physicality and, with the right service, should get some goals. All of these are reasons why he should start up front rather than Kirk or DJ. 

We've had Stockley's physicality all season and it's yielded one goal from open play.  I think we are now firmly at the stage where we've got to stop justifying what this current set of players, individually and collectively bring to this club.

I appreciate Garner's system doesn't suit Stockley, and he may be carrying an injury, and the fact that the likes of Aneke can only manage 20 minutes, but quite frankly, we should be past the point of caring.  They're not good enough, any of them.  This isn't a dig at you, but I find it baffling how much time we afford to crap players.  Calling Aneke a cheat code is embarrassing.  Talking up JFC in the Papa Johns games.  Calling Raki Saki mustard at this level.  Comments like, 'there's a player in there' with reference to Morgan.  This is a group of players that have managed 6 wins in 20 I think.  We were woeful last season, we weren't actually very good the season before when we finished 7th.  

For me, it seems that the crap we have been served up consistently now has lowered our expectations to the point where we had many come out of Friday's game against Cheltenham saying we were unlucky and we played well in the second half.  We've literally become a dog that's been beaten by it's owner and on the odd day our owner doesn't hurt us, we think, 'oh, this is okay really, we didn't get hit today'.  Crass analogy I know, but we've been served shovels of shit for so long now, we've forgotten what acceptable looks like.

Acceptable, from a playing perspective was Lyle Taylor, Cullen, Aribo, Bielik etc.  Not Matthews, Purrington, Elliott Lee, CBT, Mansfield, Mr Tickle or any of the other players that have been polluting this club over the last 2 - 3 years.  They all need to go.  the majority should've followed Gilbey on loan to a league 2 side.  I've lost track of who people think is still capable at this level, but for me, I don't know if any of them are.  Maybe Dobson, Clare at a push.  You're then left with an absolute sorry bunch of professionals, paid to much for the job they do and without a backbone between them.  There should've been a massive clear out in the summer of the season before last, and again this summer.  There hasn't been, and nothing has changed. 

They are beyond excuses, permutations of team selections or justifying there living with one bright moment every 5 games or whatever.  Atrocious footballers, the lot of them  

cabbles said:

Simonsen said:

Garrymanilow said:

One of the great ironies of this match is that one of our best players at pushing round lower league teams tends to be Stockley. He's had an absolute pig of a season and manages to find himself suspended for one of the very few games where he might have looked alright. Lovely stuff.

We missed Stockley so badly in the two Stockport games. If he's on the pitch in the 1st game (TBF he would've probably been taken off for Chuks) they might not score the headed equaliser because he is so strong at clearing corners. 

Stockley has to play for all sorts of reasons; allows Chuks to do his thing late on, clears the corners, does at least occupy the defenders with a bit of physicality and, with the right service, should get some goals. All of these are reasons why he should start up front rather than Kirk or DJ. 

We've had Stockley's physicality all season and it's yielded one goal from open play.  I think we are now firmly at the stage where we've got to stop justifying what this current set of players, individually and collectively bring to this club.

I appreciate Garner's system doesn't suit Stockley, and he may be carrying an injury, and the fact that the likes of Aneke can only manage 20 minutes, but quite frankly, we should be past the point of caring.  They're not good enough, any of them.  This isn't a dig at you, but I find it baffling how much time we afford to crap players.  Calling Aneke a cheat code is embarrassing.  Talking up JFC in the Papa Johns games.  Calling Raki Saki mustard at this level.  Comments like, 'there's a player in there' with reference to Morgan.  This is a group of players that have managed 6 wins in 20 I think.  We were woeful last season, we weren't actually very good the season before when we finished 7th.  

For me, it seems that the crap we have been served up consistently now has lowered our expectations to the point where we had many come out of Friday's game against Cheltenham saying we were unlucky and we played well in the second half.  We've literally become a dog that's been beaten by it's owner and on the odd day our owner doesn't hurt us, we think, 'oh, this is okay really, we didn't get hit today'.  Crass analogy I know, but we've been served shovels of shit for so long now, we've forgotten what acceptable looks like.

Acceptable, from a playing perspective was Lyle Taylor, Cullen, Aribo, Bielik etc.  Not Matthews, Purrington, Elliott Lee, CBT, Mansfield, Mr Tickle or any of the other players that have been polluting this club over the last 2 - 3 years.  They all need to go.  the majority should've followed Gilbey on loan to a league 2 side.  I've lost track of who people think is still capable at this level, but for me, I don't know if any of them are.  Maybe Dobson, Clare at a push.  You're then left with an absolute sorry bunch of professionals, paid to much for the job they do and without a backbone between them.  There should've been a massive clear out in the summer of the season before last, and again this summer.  There hasn't been, and nothing has changed. 

They are beyond excuses, permutations of team selections or justifying there living with one bright moment every 5 games or whatever.  Atrocious footballers, the lot of them  

SDAddick said:

SDAddick said:

The game is on ESPN+ for those in the US. I have meetings during it so will watch it tonight. Might subject my girlfriend to it. She's been loving the World Cup despite no previous interest in soccerball. I figure a Second Round FA Cup replay oop North on a cold and windy Wednesday is about as good an introduction to Charlton as I could give her. 

Can confirm we are still together. 

She wanted to watch Portugal v Switzerland instead. When I saw the result, I figured I tacked on at least another month to our relationship by not submitting her to...that.

She'll be forced to watch Charlton yet. I'm playing the long game. I'm waiting until we have a strong squad and a promising manager who can get the most out of it. Then I'll start dropping hints about how much fun it is to watch Charlton again. And then bam, she'll fall right into my trap. 

So I figure I'll get her around the time we retire in 30 years. Or maybe slightly before the heat death of the universe. It's all coming up Millhouse.