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  • Gribbo said:
    So you think the racing is the best place for JSO to protest and get things changed?
    I don’t 
  • Completely unacceptable they targeted him in his private life and especially his wedding day. Anyone that thinks otherwise is clearly not emotionally intelligent 
  • According to this research, JSO protests actually increase support for them and their aims:

    https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/LXj4cs5dLqDHwJynp/radical-tactics-can-increase-support-for-more-moderate
  • Huskaris said:
    It was a plant by oil companies to make JSO look silly no doubt! 

    More like they're embarrassed and backtracking. Such bad publicity from this, although I guess we are all talking about it etc etc
    You think not condemning it is backtracking then. It's appalling publicity, so to save face, they've said it wasn't them but they applaud whoever it was. That will really endear them to the general public.  Did you read the article or just react to the headline?

    If only people would get so emotionally enraged by the climate change crisis, the pressure on the government to act might intensify.
  • So you're fine with disruption at sporting events, 'just not that one'. 

    If you don't like potential injury/death of horses, I've got an entire sport you could protest against. 
    I was against that protest because it affected animals, Wimbledon, F1, Snooker doesn’t. I wouldn’t have thought it was difficult to comprehend the difference, even for you. 
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    JSO saying it wasn’t them, perhaps it was the real JSO or the new JSO.
  • I was against that protest because it affected animals, Wimbledon, F1, Snooker doesn’t. I wouldn’t have thought it was difficult to comprehend the difference, even for you. 
    If they ended up cancelling the race it actually would've benefitted those animals a lot. So a shame the protest didn't work out better. 
  • Huskaris said:
    It was a plant by oil companies to make JSO look silly no doubt! 

    More like they're embarrassed and backtracking. Such bad publicity from this, although I guess we are all talking about it etc etc
    Or a nice way for someone to get the headline away from a certain letter, onto something else in the news? 
  • I find it interesting that it’s not anger at climate change and the culpability of our leaders in failing to adequately address the issue but anger directed at the people pointing out the cataclysmic reality we’re facing that are the real villains. It’s very much straight out of The Daily Mail playbook. 
    What’s funny ?
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  • While we’re on the subject of horses, and caring about animals, I would say it’s an easy change to make for people to eat plant based food and not animals. It would help the climate crisis if everybody (unlikely to happen I know) feasted off plants that absorb CO2 and give out Oxygen rather than animals that eat those plants and turn them into methane farts.
  • seth plum said:
    While we’re on the subject of horses, and caring about animals, I would say it’s an easy change to make for people to eat plant based food and not animals. It would help the climate crisis if everybody (unlikely to happen I know) feasted off plants that absorb CO2 and give out Oxygen rather than animals that eat those plants and turn them into methane farts.
    What about eating crickets seth ? Seems insect based protein is gaining traction.
  • cafctom said:
    The fact that you just rolled out the typical go-to rhetoric that keeps Just Stop Oil and after extreme protest movements climbing uphill to get their point across. 

    You chose to alienate those who take issue with the nature of these protests as being “Daily Mail” types. Whilst ignoring the fact that maybe, just maybe, people are capable of having a nuanced view in that they agree with the underlying message but really dislike JSO’s behaviour.

    It’s laughable and frustrating in equal measure.

    But again, this is exactly demonstrating my point earlier as to why these ‘you’re with us or against us’ movements don’t really go anywhere beyond theatrical bollocks. 
    Raw nerve ?
  • What about eating crickets seth ? Seems insect based protein is gaining traction.
    Nah.
    A lot of insect type creatures are good for pollination.
    Not sure if that applies to Crickets.
  • seth plum said:
    Nah.
    A lot of insect type creatures are good for pollination.
    Not sure if that applies to Crickets.
    Farmed crickets ?
  • seth plum said:
    Nah.
    A lot of insect type creatures are good for pollination.
    Not sure if that applies to Crickets.
    The bails are quite hard to chew.
  • cafctom said:
    You’re the one who asked the question as to why anyone would laugh at your point. I answered you.

    No raw nerves to touch here. I’m not a Daily Mail reader, GB News watcher, right wing conspiracy theorist. Sorry to disappoint. 
    Never thought you were a conspiracy theorist.
  • Or a nice way for someone to get the headline away from a certain letter, onto something else in the news? 


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  • Farmed crickets ?
    Still not for me.
  • seth plum said:
    Still not for me.
    Better for the environment than livestock.
  • Better for the environment than livestock.
    Very probably true, but not for me.
  • cafctom said:
    The fact that you just rolled out the typical go-to rhetoric that keeps Just Stop Oil and after extreme protest movements climbing uphill to get their point across. 

    You chose to alienate those who take issue with the nature of these protests as being “Daily Mail” types. Whilst ignoring the fact that maybe, just maybe, people are capable of having a nuanced view in that they agree with the underlying message but really dislike JSO’s behaviour.

    It’s laughable and frustrating in equal measure.

    But again, this is exactly demonstrating my point earlier as to why these ‘you’re with us or against us’ movements don’t really go anywhere beyond theatrical bollocks. 
    What do you suggest be done to get people to understand what is happening? I suggested that people write to their MP and was laughed at because it, there doesn't seem to be a way to get the message across that opening up 100 new oilfields is unacceptable in a climate emergency.


  • What do you suggest be done to get people to understand what is happening? I suggested that people write to their MP and was laughed at because it, there doesn't seem to be a way to get the message across that opening up 100 new oilfields is unacceptable in a climate emergency.


    I have far more time for structured, legal approaches like the one you have suggested.

    I don’t have the answer to what the best, most effective approach is. I wish I did. I’m confident that what JSO are doing isn’t it though. 

    But that makes me a Daily Mail type apparently.


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    What do you suggest be done to get people to understand what is happening? I suggested that people write to their MP and was laughed at because it, there doesn't seem to be a way to get the message across that opening up 100 new oilfields is unacceptable in a climate emergency.


    They want education. But won't actually do the education, they would just like the protests to go away. Is the long and short of it. 

    Anyway time for us all to turn our attention to a motorsport that jets around the world every weekend for our entertainment and consumes a large amount of fuel in the process. 
  • Champs85 said:
    Completely unacceptable they targeted him in his private life and especially his wedding day. Anyone that thinks otherwise is clearly not emotionally intelligent 
    George Osborne was targeted as in 2013 as he said that he didn't want the UK to be leading the world in its efforts to cut emissions because he wanted to provide for the country the cheapest energy possible by using oil and gas rather than renewables and how wrong that has proved to be, the UK was left in a very bad place when Putin invaded Ukraine, with meagre stocks of gas and insufficient energy from renewable sources. What has happened since his decisions were taken is that most people in the country are poorer, it hasn't given us security of energy supply and we have gone against the goal of reducing carbon emissions. He has a lot to answer for.


  • UK defies climate warnings with new oil and gas licences

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-63163824
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