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  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    North Lower Neil said:
    NabySarr said:
    Challinor is very much a 3-5-2 man. I don’t have a problem with it but I’m sure some will 
    Formations aren't the issue - it's about having players that suit a formation and coaching it well.

    We constantly chop and change managers, coaches, and usually sign players because they're cheap and available not because they fit a formation or plan.
    Exactly this. A manager has to be open to the formation that best suits the squad. Especially if they are being appointed now FFS! when the window will be closed. If somebody says I don't like say 3-5-2 I am not interested in their view as that is all it is, a personal preference. If they say I don't like it for us because we need X and Y to play it effectively and we haven't got them, then I become interested. You can find examples where 3-5-2 is successful as you can 4-3-3 etc......
  • JohnnyJoeyDeeDee
    JohnnyJoeyDeeDee Posts: 1,040
    RedChaser said:
    NabySarr said:
    Challinor is very much a 3-5-2 man. I don’t have a problem with it but I’m sure some will 
    Fully qualified Physiotherapist has a first class Hons degree which augers well, two for the price of one 😉. On the downside he effectively finished Martin Pringles career with a tackle that broke his leg in two places. Also was an exponent of a very long throw (world record holder apparently), keep practicing Alfie 😩.

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/other-sport/palmer-fines-challinor-1169264
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,885
    Challinor wasn’t even on the bookies odds was he?
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 4,284
    Challinor signed a 3 year contract in the summer so I would think he’s probably unlikely as we’d have to pay a decent compensation fee for him 
  • WhenIwasLittleBoy
    WhenIwasLittleBoy Posts: 5,430
    Airman Brown said:
    I would suggest that false information is being shared by someone in authority at the club with the intention of shaping public opinion. It is mixed in with accurate stuff to build confidence in the source and because sometimes it is useful to get accurate stuff out there. 

    This may be done through an intermediary in order to preserve official deniability. Ultimately the people briefing other fans get burnt because they are being used to spread useful misinformation. That’s the point of it.
    Looks like a new appointment will be in 2025
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    The Cowley Brothers would get the players fitter as they are ex PE teachers but unfortunately can't do anything for Chuks as they don't perform miracles. 

    Down to earth Football guys who learnt their trade around the lower pyramid.

    For me no hissy fit and say I won't go anymore if Johnson, Cowley, Appleton etc gets the gig but can any manager get me to go back regularly after giving up my season ticket after the guitar man said we would blow league one out of the water and I smelt bullshit.
  • Fumbluff
    Fumbluff Posts: 10,125
    soapboxsam said:
    The Cowley Brothers would get the players fitter as they are ex PE teachers but unfortunately can't do anything for Chuks as they don't perform miracles. 

    This is a good point, maybe we should look towards The Church
  • Covered_End_Lad
    Covered_End_Lad Posts: 5,725
    Challinor is an interesting one, majority of managerial career so far has been in non-league and league 2, however his overall win rate is 53% which is incredibly impressive. He has also managed nearly 700 games at the age of 47 which will provide him with a wealth of experience in different scenarios.

    Whether he could translate that success and experience to a bigger club at a higher level remains to be seen but he looks a potentially exciting option if he did come in.
  • shine166
    shine166 Posts: 13,916
    edited August 2023
    NabySarr said:
    Challinor signed a 3 year contract in the summer so I would think he’s probably unlikely as we’d have to pay a decent compensation fee for him 
    Sounds perfect, we love wanking away our budget on managers Compo. Admittedly, it's usually so they will leave rather than join us. Just imagine how much he's gonna cost including the sacking fee next Easter.
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,949
    edited August 2023
    RedChaser said:
    NabySarr said:
    Challinor is very much a 3-5-2 man. I don’t have a problem with it but I’m sure some will 
    Fully qualified Physiotherapist has a first class Hons degree which augers well, two for the price of one 😉. On the downside he effectively finished Martin Pringles career with a tackle that broke his leg in two places. Also was an exponent of a very long throw (world record holder apparently), keep practicing Alfie 😩.
    Read Pat Nevin's new book the other day and he talked about this - apparently Challinor came up from the youth team for a game and suddenly lobbed a throw in about 2/3rds of the way up the pitch.

    None of them knew he could do it, and he thought nothing of it so hadn't mentioned it ar all.  

    Imagine realising half way through a match that you had a weapon like that in your arsenal.  Ah, cool, turns out us getting a throw in anywhere in their half is basically like a free kick.
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  • Covered_End_Lad
    Covered_End_Lad Posts: 5,725
    The other thing to consider is that he prefers 3-5-2, I actually don't particularly like that formation but considering the squad we have built has had that formation in mind (barring needing some wingback cover and another striker) its probably not the worst thing to have a manager coming in that can build on what has been started.
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,619
    Bailey said:
    With all these 'failed managers' being mentioned, I'd rather go with Pearce and see how it works out.
    Thing is Cowley (if it’s him) isn’t a failed manager. He’s known success and seen relative failure but he’s pretty much exactly the type of manager who we could reasonably expect to attract. Bigger names are not dropping into Division three especially to a club that is perceived and seen to be in a maelstrom. The only other options are similar to Cowley like Appleton or an up and coming Division four manager. Might work out or it could go the way of Garner. Either route is a punt. 
  • ValleyBen
    ValleyBen Posts: 572
    I have honestly never heard of the Stockport manager until right now but if we are not going to see the return of our most successful manager in the last 15 years then I would much prefer someone like him who seems on the up still then another random manager with multiple recent failings on their record.  
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    I heard they approached Jonathan Acworth but he said ‘you can crawl, you can beg, you can plead, but it’s way too late…I’ll never be able to get Steve Portway in during this window now’.
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,347
    If Challinor gets the job, I'll finally be ITK.
  • roseandcrown
    roseandcrown Posts: 7,587
    edited August 2023
    Covered_End_Lad said:
    The other thing to consider is that he prefers 3-5-2, I actually don't particularly like that formation but considering the squad we have built has had that formation in mind (barring needing some wingback cover and another striker) its probably not the worst thing to have a manager coming in that can build on what has been started.

    I wonder if 3 5 2 is how the club want to play and is set by Andy Scott himself so that we have a style of play/ philosophy, and any manager is chosen around this and aware. Holden was known for playing 3 5 2 and may be why he was chosen at first. Do the youth teams play this?

    The issue we have seen for some time now is that we have had no technical structure above youth teams and such a high turnover of managers and staff with players recruited with no thought to how we want to play or system. This is the reason we have some many players we are stuck with.
  • clive
    clive Posts: 19,449
    NabySarr said:
    Challinor signed a 3 year contract in the summer so I would think he’s probably unlikely as we’d have to pay a decent compensation fee for him 
    On 24 September 2021, Challinor signed a new three year contract to remain as manager of Hartlepool. On 1 November 2021, Challinor announced his intentions to step down from the position & take the job at Stockport.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Bailey said:
    With all these 'failed managers' being mentioned, I'd rather go with Pearce and see how it works out.
    Thing is Cowley (if it’s him) isn’t a failed manager. He’s known success and seen relative failure but he’s pretty much exactly the type of manager who we could reasonably expect to attract. Bigger names are not dropping into Division three especially to a club that is perceived and seen to be in a maelstrom. The only other options are similar to Cowley like Appleton or an up and coming Division four manager. Might work out or it could go the way of Garner. Either route is a punt. 
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Bailey said:
    With all these 'failed managers' being mentioned, I'd rather go with Pearce and see how it works out.
    Thing is Cowley (if it’s him) isn’t a failed manager. He’s known success and seen relative failure but he’s pretty much exactly the type of manager who we could reasonably expect to attract. Bigger names are not dropping into Division three especially to a club that is perceived and seen to be in a maelstrom. The only other options are similar to Cowley like Appleton or an up and coming Division four manager. Might work out or it could go the way of Garner. Either route is a punt. 
    Agree totally so why not take a punt on Pearce and if that doesn't work take a punt on one of these or whoever is available at the time? Two punts for the price of one surely. 
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 4,284
    roseandcrown said:
    Covered_End_Lad said:
    The other thing to consider is that he prefers 3-5-2, I actually don't particularly like that formation but considering the squad we have built has had that formation in mind (barring needing some wingback cover and another striker) its probably not the worst thing to have a manager coming in that can build on what has been started.

    I wonder if 3 5 2 is how the club want to play and is set by Andy Scott himself so that we have a style of play/ philosophy, and any manager is chosen around this and aware. Holden was known for playing 3 5 2 and may be why he was chosen at first. Do the youth teams play this?

    The issue we have seen for some time now is that we have had no technical structure above youth teams and such a high turnover of managers and staff with players recruited with no thought to how we want to play or system. 
    I think it would make sense as a strategy considering we signed May. But not signing a left footed centre back or enough wing backs would probably hint towards the fact that we still have no idea what we are doing 
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,167
    Oddly more excited by the Challinor news than any other manager I've heard about so far. Maybe it's just because he doesn't have L1 failure on his CV yet but Cowley and Appleton do not spark joy. Challinor feels like a manager on the up for the most part, though I'm sure we can find a way to bring him down
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  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,314
    Garrymanilow said:
    Oddly more excited by the Challinor news than any other manager I've heard about so far. Maybe it's just because he doesn't have L1 failure on his CV yet but Cowley and Appleton do not spark joy. Challinor feels like a manager on the up for the most part, though I'm sure we can find a way to bring him down
    It's the childhood memories of Tranmere's cup runs and his big long throw, admit it
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,619
    edited August 2023
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Bailey said:
    With all these 'failed managers' being mentioned, I'd rather go with Pearce and see how it works out.
    Thing is Cowley (if it’s him) isn’t a failed manager. He’s known success and seen relative failure but he’s pretty much exactly the type of manager who we could reasonably expect to attract. Bigger names are not dropping into Division three especially to a club that is perceived and seen to be in a maelstrom. The only other options are similar to Cowley like Appleton or an up and coming Division four manager. Might work out or it could go the way of Garner. Either route is a punt. 
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Bailey said:
    With all these 'failed managers' being mentioned, I'd rather go with Pearce and see how it works out.
    Thing is Cowley (if it’s him) isn’t a failed manager. He’s known success and seen relative failure but he’s pretty much exactly the type of manager who we could reasonably expect to attract. Bigger names are not dropping into Division three especially to a club that is perceived and seen to be in a maelstrom. The only other options are similar to Cowley like Appleton or an up and coming Division four manager. Might work out or it could go the way of Garner. Either route is a punt. 
    Agree totally so why not take a punt on Pearce and if that doesn't work take a punt on one of these or whoever is available at the time? Two punts for the price of one surely. 
    Pearce has been in full time coaching less than two years and always effectively under supervision. That’s not even a punt compared to someone like Challinor or Richardson. It’s the cheapest of cheap option with a ready made fall guy. Having said that it’s worked before.
  • roseandcrown
    roseandcrown Posts: 7,587
    NabySarr said:
    roseandcrown said:
    Covered_End_Lad said:
    The other thing to consider is that he prefers 3-5-2, I actually don't particularly like that formation but considering the squad we have built has had that formation in mind (barring needing some wingback cover and another striker) its probably not the worst thing to have a manager coming in that can build on what has been started.

    I wonder if 3 5 2 is how the club want to play and is set by Andy Scott himself so that we have a style of play/ philosophy, and any manager is chosen around this and aware. Holden was known for playing 3 5 2 and may be why he was chosen at first. Do the youth teams play this?

    The issue we have seen for some time now is that we have had no technical structure above youth teams and such a high turnover of managers and staff with players recruited with no thought to how we want to play or system. 
    I think it would make sense as a strategy considering we signed May. But not signing a left footed centre back or enough wing backs would probably hint towards the fact that we still have no idea what we are doing 

    I agree we have holes that is clear but the mess and unbalance of the recruitment before may hinder and take time.

     

    Think someone mentioned earlier that CBT had been offered around. Which may be think that actually if you have this preferred system that he don’t suit it would make sense why they may be open to him going now.  


  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,002
    NabySarr said:
    Challinor is very much a 3-5-2 man. I don’t have a problem with it but I’m sure some will 
    A manager can come in and play an Ossie Ardiles style 3-2-5 formation if he wants and no one will care as long as we start winning games.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    edited August 2023
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Bailey said:
    With all these 'failed managers' being mentioned, I'd rather go with Pearce and see how it works out.
    Thing is Cowley (if it’s him) isn’t a failed manager. He’s known success and seen relative failure but he’s pretty much exactly the type of manager who we could reasonably expect to attract. Bigger names are not dropping into Division three especially to a club that is perceived and seen to be in a maelstrom. The only other options are similar to Cowley like Appleton or an up and coming Division four manager. Might work out or it could go the way of Garner. Either route is a punt. 
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Bailey said:
    With all these 'failed managers' being mentioned, I'd rather go with Pearce and see how it works out.
    Thing is Cowley (if it’s him) isn’t a failed manager. He’s known success and seen relative failure but he’s pretty much exactly the type of manager who we could reasonably expect to attract. Bigger names are not dropping into Division three especially to a club that is perceived and seen to be in a maelstrom. The only other options are similar to Cowley like Appleton or an up and coming Division four manager. Might work out or it could go the way of Garner. Either route is a punt. 
    Agree totally so why not take a punt on Pearce and if that doesn't work take a punt on one of these or whoever is available at the time? Two punts for the price of one surely. 
    Pearce has been in full time coaching less than two years and always effectively under supervision. That’s not even a punt compared to someone like Challinor or Richardson. It’s the cheapest of cheap option with a ready made fall guy. Having said that it’s worked before.
    How long had Curbs and Bowyer been in full time coaching? Not only has it worked before but it seems to be successful more often than not for us, as opposed to bringing a 'proven' manager in.
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,441
    A big fan of Challinor at Stockport but they've made a slow start this season. They play some good football and I was surprised they didn't win promotion last season.

    Has a good managerial CV but might be a risk at this level - Stockport have good ownership and I'm not sure how he'd work with our ownership.


  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 21,255
    Northampton manager also in the frame.

    Cobblers?

    Cawley said it so it must be true
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,024
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Bailey said:
    With all these 'failed managers' being mentioned, I'd rather go with Pearce and see how it works out.
    Thing is Cowley (if it’s him) isn’t a failed manager. He’s known success and seen relative failure but he’s pretty much exactly the type of manager who we could reasonably expect to attract. Bigger names are not dropping into Division three especially to a club that is perceived and seen to be in a maelstrom. The only other options are similar to Cowley like Appleton or an up and coming Division four manager. Might work out or it could go the way of Garner. Either route is a punt. 
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Bailey said:
    With all these 'failed managers' being mentioned, I'd rather go with Pearce and see how it works out.
    Thing is Cowley (if it’s him) isn’t a failed manager. He’s known success and seen relative failure but he’s pretty much exactly the type of manager who we could reasonably expect to attract. Bigger names are not dropping into Division three especially to a club that is perceived and seen to be in a maelstrom. The only other options are similar to Cowley like Appleton or an up and coming Division four manager. Might work out or it could go the way of Garner. Either route is a punt. 
    Agree totally so why not take a punt on Pearce and if that doesn't work take a punt on one of these or whoever is available at the time? Two punts for the price of one surely. 
    Because then you burn Pearce as a future option. He’s about a year into coaching the youth teams, let him sit there for a couple of years to gain some experience. Managers don’t tend to last more than 3 years so he won’t have to wait for too long 
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,219

  • ROKERITE
    ROKERITE Posts: 24
    Garrymanilow said:
    Oddly more excited by the Challinor news than any other manager I've heard about so far. Maybe it's just because he doesn't have L1 failure on his CV yet but Cowley and Appleton do not spark joy. Challinor feels like a manager on the up for the most part, though I'm sure we can find a way to bring him down
    And yet Challinor was sacked with his club in a National League relegation spot. His subsequent success elsewhere shows that one failure doesn't define him but it's a reminder that even the best normally have a blot 
     on their record.
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