So we appoint a new manager based on how they like their teams to play, but they will join with a fixed squad they can't change. So the worst thing I could hear when interviewing would be about how the manager wants/likes to play and it would be far better to hear how they believe what we have can be maximised. I think the word for it is pragmatism.
It would be fine if they said they wanted to play a certain way over time. Our squad doesn't lend itself to a long ball game but if it did, that is how the manager should decide to play. Basically the strengths and weaknesses of the players have to dictate our style within reason with a view to winning games.
I think there will always be a pool of credible managers to choose from so giving Pearce a few games seems sensible. If it doesn't work out, he would be easy to move back to where he was and if it does you just keep extending him until it doesn't and if it goes very well make a decsion at the end of the season. I don't know how succesful Pearce might be as much as any of you, but I can't say any on the list I am seeing would be either, all of them ave succeeded to some extent and failed.
By giving Pearce a shot you are giving yourself two chances to get it right which I think is better than one. We know that managers who have been successful for us like Curbs and Bowyer were the cheap options, promoted from within. Then you look at the managers we have brought in from outside and you are looking at Powell (although he had links with the club and was unproven so could fall into the group with Curbs and Bowyer also) and then you have to go all the way back to Lawrence! There is a long list of managers brought in who have not been successful!
Cowley would feel a very meh appointment but if they sort out the defence then I will quickly get on board, I hate how weak we have been in defence the last few years.
Played football with a lad who works at a football league club yesterday. Reckoned Appleton was one of the best managers he had worked with and is convinced that given the right backing he would be a success at any club. Also said CBT had been offered to his current club this week, didn't know whether it was by Charlton or his agent.
It shows where we are as a club, that all the "options" are a bit meh. Although they might not have a great track record elsewhere but it might click for them here.
But more likely we will rinsing and repeating next season in August/September/October.
I would suggest that false information is being shared by someone in authority at the club with the intention of shaping public opinion. It is mixed in with accurate stuff to build confidence in the source and because sometimes it is useful to get accurate stuff out there.
This may be done through an intermediary in order to preserve official deniability. Ultimately the people briefing other fans get burnt because they are being used to spread useful misinformation. That’s the point of it.
So we are still going with they sacked Holden and staff without knowing who replaces them?
Im not buying that.
So, where is the evidence to support your statement? I would like to share your opinion (ie; that they have a plan and are executing...) but regrettably we are going to the end of the transfer window blind, no sign of the 'planned' appointment(s) being made etc. and therefore we are limping into the season without a plan and no squad to speak of.
Cowley would be hugely uninspiring. Down naff-all since leaving Lincoln.
2019/20: full season with Huddersfield, finished 18th in the Championship
2020/21: 12 games at the back end of the season with Portsmouth - winning six (two draws, four losses). Team were in 10th and ended the season in 8th.
2021/22: full season with Portsmouth, finished 10th. 20 games won out of 46 (13 draws, 13 losses)
2022/23: 22 games with Portsmouth, sacked after 1-3 defeat to Charlton. Team was in 12th and finished season in 8th. Record: W7 D10 L5
Very respectable record imo, would certainly steer us closer to promotion than relegation and for now that will do. We get it wrong we could be in a relegation fight in all seriousness.
The amount of draws is staggering though, makes me wonder if it's a playstyle issue or player quality issue. It's not like Huddersfield or Portsmouth have squads overflowing with quality and they were pivotal in Lincoln's growth as a club, could argue thet wouldn't be where they are now without him.
Out of all the realistic options this seems the most sound to me if we aren't including ex Charlton managers..
I think it's a pretty shit record to be honest.
He's done nothing in the past 3-4 years that suggests he's the man to get us heading in the right direction.
Really doesn’t matter who the next manager is because if we don’t upgrade the team between now and tomorrow night it will just be the same shite.
This is the problem. I bet we get an initial bounce. We had something similar under Jackson, and Holden got a little patch of results after his first 3 games. I mentioned y’day I think we’re catching the Cowley’s on their way down, but it doesn’t matter if it’s them, Appleton or giving someone like Jason Pearce the reigns, that squad, even with the potential additions being touted won’t be good enough.
One of the worst things is that we’re gonna burn the likes of Anderson and Asimwe if this is the route we’re going down. They don’t deserve it. Even the likes Campbell (our Campbell) is literally still a youth player. He, Leaburn, Ness etc, suddenly considered first teamers purely on the basis they had their breakthrough seasons last year (technically).
Really doesn’t matter who the next manager is because if we don’t upgrade the team between now and tomorrow night it will just be the same shite.
This is the problem. I bet we get an initial bounce. We had something similar under Jackson, and Holden got a little patch of results after his first 3 games. I mentioned y’day I think we’re catching the Cowley’s on their way down, but it doesn’t matter if it’s them, Appleton or giving someone like Jason Pearce the reigns, that squad, even with the potential additions being touted won’t be good enough.
One of the worst things is that we’re gonna burn the likes of Anderson and Asimwe if this is the route we’re going down. They don’t deserve it. Even the likes Campbell (our Campbell) is literally still a youth player. He, Leaburn, Ness etc, suddenly considered first teamers purely on the basis they had their breakthrough seasons last year (technically).
I would suggest that false information is being shared by someone in authority at the club with the intention of shaping public opinion. It is mixed in with accurate stuff to build confidence in the source and because sometimes it is useful to get accurate stuff out there.
This may be done through an intermediary in order to preserve official deniability. Ultimately the people briefing other fans get burnt because they are being used to spread useful misinformation. That’s the point of it.
Bullshit , this mob have proper money , you wait till the end of the window and see where we’re at , stop talking us down , for once , just sit back and enjoy the ride .
Cowley is a little underwhelming but he did set his Pompey team up mostly in a 4-4-2 but also a 3-4-1-2. Both of which I think are well suited to the squad we have now, especially with Fraser injured at the moment
It's got to the point now that I just don’t trust our new owners. Normally when we are going to sign a new manager I get quite excited as to who it might be. Not this time though as it doesn't matter who he is as he won't be backed sufficiently to see us promoted and will probably be gone come the end of the season.
I have the same view as you re the new owners. You were very quick and on the money re Sandgaard ownership of the club. I feel the same about these, no statements, no marquee signing to show their intent and very little comment on the management of the football side.
We will end up with some journey man manager and the ball set rolling again.
So we are still going with they sacked Holden and staff without knowing who replaces them?
Im not buying that.
So, where is the evidence to support your statement? I would like to share your opinion (ie; that they have a plan and are executing...) but regrettably we are going to the end of the transfer window blind, no sign of the 'planned' appointment(s) being made etc. and therefore we are limping into the season without a plan and no squad to speak of.
Not claiming 'evidence' rather just my opinion.
But what steers me is this:
Holden came out of nowhere but had seemingly been talking to the 'Gang of Four' (GOF) beforehand
Its often said in Football people get tapped up /sounded out before an official move
Why the need to sack the coaching team as well when we aren't over staffed in that area ? - just to keep the wheels in motion in training etc. would make sense to retain & then dismiss later
Henderson has arrived very quickly as GK coach
Faint suspicion the next appointee will be known in some way to the GOF and it is a way to reward someone else with a slice of the investors money
The SMT claim to have football experience / know what they are doing - you don't fire without any plan at all
UNLESS there were major issues behind the scenes that are not being reported and it was closer to a dismissal rather than simply a results based change. But I'm not suggesting that is the case.
Arent the Cowley known to be long-ball merchants? Not sure that will get the best out of May
It will if he’s got Leaburn next to him. Cheltenham played direct and May scored a lot from long balls over the top. He just needs a partner that occupies defenders so that it isn’t too easy to stop him
Club Chairman James Rodwell and Technical Director Andy Scott are interviewing a shortlist of potential candidates - some in work and some out of work - today and tomorrow, leaving Pearce focused on getting the best out of his team on Saturday.
If that training session is anything to go by Cowley is one boring man.
Miked up and being filmed and that is the best he could come up with! I don’t suppose it occurs to him that he could explain why they are doing something, but then he would have to know himself and I am not sure he does. I really hope it is not him.
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It would be fine if they said they wanted to play a certain way over time. Our squad doesn't lend itself to a long ball game but if it did, that is how the manager should decide to play. Basically the strengths and weaknesses of the players have to dictate our style within reason with a view to winning games.
I think there will always be a pool of credible managers to choose from so giving Pearce a few games seems sensible. If it doesn't work out, he would be easy to move back to where he was and if it does you just keep extending him until it doesn't and if it goes very well make a decsion at the end of the season. I don't know how succesful Pearce might be as much as any of you, but I can't say any on the list I am seeing would be either, all of them ave succeeded to some extent and failed.
By giving Pearce a shot you are giving yourself two chances to get it right which I think is better than one. We know that managers who have been successful for us like Curbs and Bowyer were the cheap options, promoted from within. Then you look at the managers we have brought in from outside and you are looking at Powell (although he had links with the club and was unproven so could fall into the group with Curbs and Bowyer also) and then you have to go all the way back to Lawrence! There is a long list of managers brought in who have not been successful!
But more likely we will rinsing and repeating next season in August/September/October.
And people are happy with that
End the season now
He's done nothing in the past 3-4 years that suggests he's the man to get us heading in the right direction.
The fact that its been 4 days & we seem to be rummaging in the bargain bins of ex- League 1 failures says to me that there was no one in mind.
And IF Cowley is to be our next manager we might just well have stuck with Holden.
One of the worst things is that we’re gonna burn the likes of Anderson and Asimwe if this is the route we’re going down. They don’t deserve it. Even the likes Campbell (our Campbell) is literally still a youth player. He, Leaburn, Ness etc, suddenly considered first teamers purely on the basis they had their breakthrough seasons last year (technically).
We will end up with some journey man manager and the ball set rolling again.
But what steers me is this:
UNLESS there were major issues behind the scenes that are not being reported and it was closer to a dismissal rather than simply a results based change. But I'm not suggesting that is the case.
Cowley is easily as credible as the above and arguably an upgrade as he has atleast won promotions before.
https://www.charltonafc.com/news/pearce-i-want-do-best-i-can-club
Club Chairman James Rodwell and Technical Director Andy Scott are interviewing a shortlist of potential candidates - some in work and some out of work - today and tomorrow, leaving Pearce focused on getting the best out of his team on Saturday.
I don’t suppose it occurs to him that he could explain why they are doing something, but then he would have to know himself and I am not sure he does.
I really hope it is not him.