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Andy Scott Appointed Technical Director - Gone Feb 2025 (p35)
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The reality is it usually takes a long time or something drastic to change a workplace culture. I like what he has to say but as ever results will determine how they are viewed.
I know someone who has worked with him in a professional capacity and only has good words to say about him and his commitment2 -
I enjoyed watching the interview, comes across well, talked the right way about winning and getting promoted which is all that matters to me while we are stuck in the third tier.
If the current decision makers have the talent and budget to turn things around is the big question, so far I am not convinced they will achieve it but I desperately hope I am wrong as the last thing I want is another season or two of mid table mediocrity before moving on to hoping the next new owners will be the one to bring success.0 -
jams said:The reality is it usually takes a long time or something drastic to change a workplace culture. I like what he has to say but as ever results will determine how they are viewed.
I know someone who has worked with him in a professional capacity and only has good words to say about him and his commitment
Roland, ESI and Rock Star Tommy all left their marks. That will not disappear overnight. Plus of course the ongoing question of how much Charlie Methven is going to be offering his "guidance" and his motivation for doing so.
Good words are positive but ultimately just words. Results will be what he is judged on and he has a LOT of work to do if he's going to win people over.2 -
I think his words were clear and he has meant what he says, a pity Hector et al were away at the time, as the whole squad need to hear it. Hopefully Appleton will work out but if he is going to play a true 4-2-3-1 I wonder who will he giving way, as Dobbo and either Watson or Taylor will be the CDMs and the CAMs in that formation are usually just that, CAMs, not wingers. Interesting times and while not excited by any of this, keeping open minded.0
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A few snippets from his interview the other day.
" We've been here 6 weeks and our job as an ownership group is to start improving all areas to bring it to the level that it should be."
" The last 6 weeks have allowed us to see a lot of the things we were pretty sure we wanted to changed and now we are definite we want to change things and improve things."
"Areas of the club have been neglected. Fine. But now we've got to take action. Bring the club that the level it can be that give Michael the best chance of being successful."
It is so important that the reps on the upcoming fans forum bring this up and get a clear answer from them about how they specifically intend to go about taking this action? Where the improvements will be made and what is the time frame? He's said it's to give MA the best possible chance so being coy and hazy with those answers means they don't really mean what he says. Words not Action if you will.
I just see this as an opportunity to actually hold them to some sort of account.
I have an inkling that Methven and Scott are singing from different song sheets.4 -
I would bet that in the eyes of the fans ‘being successful’ is unambiguous and means one clear thing, promotion.
I would have been more impressed if he had said ‘give Michael the best chance to win promotion this season’.
He didn’t say that though, I suppose because that would mean staying in this division would be failure.
The more insidious definition of ‘Michael being successful’ is that he somehow creates a platform or situation where success means cashing in on our home grown talent. The Katrine Meire mantra where we fans can watch the club create Premier League stars of the future at other clubs may be Andy Scott’s measure of ‘Michael being successful’.
Our young players however have already done probably all they can so far, and many have been brought through and played, so what extra is Appleton supposed to add?Maybe the secret ingredient is that Appleton has been brought in because he has a special knack of persuading other clubs to pay that little bit more for young players, a good salesman.
I expect that Michael Appleton was at Colchester United yesterday in his capacity as Charlton Athletic manager and guru for making our excellent young players better, in order to watch our Zach Mitchell play.
If Appleton went to Colchester it would be interesting, but maybe he didn’t go there, but went to Stevenage to size up next week’s opposition.
It would be a disappointment to me if Michael Appleton stayed in and watched the Rugby.1 -
seth plum said:I would bet that in the eyes of the fans ‘being successful’ is unambiguous and means one clear thing, promotion.
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Not sure Methven and his American friends agree??0 -
seth plum said:I would bet that in the eyes of the fans ‘being successful’ is unambiguous and means one clear thing, promotion.
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carly burn said:A few snippets from his interview the other day.
" We've been here 6 weeks and our job as an ownership group is to start improving all areas to bring it to the level that it should be."
" The last 6 weeks have allowed us to see a lot of the things we were pretty sure we wanted to changed and now we are definite we want to change things and improve things."
"Areas of the club have been neglected. Fine. But now we've got to take action. Bring the club that the level it can be that give Michael the best chance of being successful."
It is so important that the reps on the upcoming fans forum bring this up and get a clear answer from them about how they specifically intend to go about taking this action? Where the improvements will be made and what is the time frame. He's said it's to give MA the best possible chance so being coy and hazy with those answers means they don't really mean what he says. Words not Action if you will.
I just see this as an opportunity to actually hold them to some sort of account.
I have an inkling that Methven and Scott are singing from different song sheets.
Methven likes to make us believe his work here is done.1 -
seth plum said:carly burn said:A few snippets from his interview the other day.
" We've been here 6 weeks and our job as an ownership group is to start improving all areas to bring it to the level that it should be."
" The last 6 weeks have allowed us to see a lot of the things we were pretty sure we wanted to changed and now we are definite we want to change things and improve things."
"Areas of the club have been neglected. Fine. But now we've got to take action. Bring the club that the level it can be that give Michael the best chance of being successful."
It is so important that the reps on the upcoming fans forum bring this up and get a clear answer from them about how they specifically intend to go about taking this action? Where the improvements will be made and what is the time frame. He's said it's to give MA the best possible chance so being coy and hazy with those answers means they don't really mean what he says. Words not Action if you will.
I just see this as an opportunity to actually hold them to some sort of account.
I have an inkling that Methven and Scott are singing from different song sheets.
Methven likes to make us believe his work here is done..
Scott's interview was defiant one. I think he was sending a message out to the ownership. He mentioned a meeting with the players in which he told them the losing needs to stop but when the team is packed out with young kids is there really much they can do about it? He must know that?
That's the kind of thing you say to a squad packed with senior pros. And as has been mentioned ,that's an area we failed to address in the window.
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seth plum said:I would bet that in the eyes of the fans ‘being successful’ is unambiguous and means one clear thing, promotion.
I would have been more impressed if he had said ‘give Michael the best chance to win promotion this season’.
He didn’t say that though, I suppose because that would mean staying in this division would be failure.
The more insidious definition of ‘Michael being successful’ is that he somehow creates a platform or situation where success means cashing in on our home grown talent. The Katrine Meire mantra where we fans can watch the club create Premier League stars of the future at other clubs may be Andy Scott’s measure of ‘Michael being successful’.
Our young players however have already done probably all they can so far, and many have been brought through and played, so what extra is Appleton supposed to add?Maybe the secret ingredient is that Appleton has been brought in because he has a special knack of persuading other clubs to pay that little bit more for young players, a good salesman.
I expect that Michael Appleton was at Colchester United yesterday in his capacity as Charlton Athletic manager and guru for making our excellent young players better, in order to watch our Zach Mitchell play.
If Appleton went to Colchester it would be interesting, but maybe he didn’t go there, but went to Stevenage to size up next week’s opposition.
It would be a disappointment to me if Michael Appleton stayed in and watched the Rugby.
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LargeAddick said:seth plum said:I would bet that in the eyes of the fans ‘being successful’ is unambiguous and means one clear thing, promotion.
I would have been more impressed if he had said ‘give Michael the best chance to win promotion this season’.
He didn’t say that though, I suppose because that would mean staying in this division would be failure.
The more insidious definition of ‘Michael being successful’ is that he somehow creates a platform or situation where success means cashing in on our home grown talent. The Katrine Meire mantra where we fans can watch the club create Premier League stars of the future at other clubs may be Andy Scott’s measure of ‘Michael being successful’.
Our young players however have already done probably all they can so far, and many have been brought through and played, so what extra is Appleton supposed to add?Maybe the secret ingredient is that Appleton has been brought in because he has a special knack of persuading other clubs to pay that little bit more for young players, a good salesman.
I expect that Michael Appleton was at Colchester United yesterday in his capacity as Charlton Athletic manager and guru for making our excellent young players better, in order to watch our Zach Mitchell play.
If Appleton went to Colchester it would be interesting, but maybe he didn’t go there, but went to Stevenage to size up next week’s opposition.
It would be a disappointment to me if Michael Appleton stayed in and watched the Rugby.
If I wrote that Michael Appleton went to either Colchester of Stevenage how is that expecting less of him than other fans?0 -
seth plum said:LargeAddick said:seth plum said:I would bet that in the eyes of the fans ‘being successful’ is unambiguous and means one clear thing, promotion.
I would have been more impressed if he had said ‘give Michael the best chance to win promotion this season’.
He didn’t say that though, I suppose because that would mean staying in this division would be failure.
The more insidious definition of ‘Michael being successful’ is that he somehow creates a platform or situation where success means cashing in on our home grown talent. The Katrine Meire mantra where we fans can watch the club create Premier League stars of the future at other clubs may be Andy Scott’s measure of ‘Michael being successful’.
Our young players however have already done probably all they can so far, and many have been brought through and played, so what extra is Appleton supposed to add?Maybe the secret ingredient is that Appleton has been brought in because he has a special knack of persuading other clubs to pay that little bit more for young players, a good salesman.
I expect that Michael Appleton was at Colchester United yesterday in his capacity as Charlton Athletic manager and guru for making our excellent young players better, in order to watch our Zach Mitchell play.
If Appleton went to Colchester it would be interesting, but maybe he didn’t go there, but went to Stevenage to size up next week’s opposition.
It would be a disappointment to me if Michael Appleton stayed in and watched the Rugby.
If I wrote that Michael Appleton went to either Colchester of Stevenage how is that expecting less of him than other fans?3 -
carly burn said:A few snippets from his interview the other day.
" We've been here 6 weeks and our job as an ownership group is to start improving all areas to bring it to the level that it should be."
" The last 6 weeks have allowed us to see a lot of the things we were pretty sure we wanted to changed and now we are definite we want to change things and improve things."
"Areas of the club have been neglected. Fine. But now we've got to take action. Bring the club that the level it can be that give Michael the best chance of being successful."
It is so important that the reps on the upcoming fans forum bring this up and get a clear answer from them about how they specifically intend to go about taking this action? Where the improvements will be made and what is the time frame? He's said it's to give MA the best possible chance so being coy and hazy with those answers means they don't really mean what he says. Words not Action if you will.
I just see this as an opportunity to actually hold them to some sort of account.
I have an inkling that Methven and Scott are singing from different song sheets.
@carly burn
I'm not on the fans forum but have messaged those people I know who are and have suggested your questions.3 -
Henry Irving said:seth plum said:LargeAddick said:seth plum said:I would bet that in the eyes of the fans ‘being successful’ is unambiguous and means one clear thing, promotion.
I would have been more impressed if he had said ‘give Michael the best chance to win promotion this season’.
He didn’t say that though, I suppose because that would mean staying in this division would be failure.
The more insidious definition of ‘Michael being successful’ is that he somehow creates a platform or situation where success means cashing in on our home grown talent. The Katrine Meire mantra where we fans can watch the club create Premier League stars of the future at other clubs may be Andy Scott’s measure of ‘Michael being successful’.
Our young players however have already done probably all they can so far, and many have been brought through and played, so what extra is Appleton supposed to add?Maybe the secret ingredient is that Appleton has been brought in because he has a special knack of persuading other clubs to pay that little bit more for young players, a good salesman.
I expect that Michael Appleton was at Colchester United yesterday in his capacity as Charlton Athletic manager and guru for making our excellent young players better, in order to watch our Zach Mitchell play.
If Appleton went to Colchester it would be interesting, but maybe he didn’t go there, but went to Stevenage to size up next week’s opposition.
It would be a disappointment to me if Michael Appleton stayed in and watched the Rugby.
If I wrote that Michael Appleton went to either Colchester of Stevenage how is that expecting less of him than other fans?
I am not, have never met him, and have never communicated with him in any other way.
Is that the same for you?
Have you met or communicated with Charlie Methven at any time?8 -
seth plum said:LargeAddick said:seth plum said:I would bet that in the eyes of the fans ‘being successful’ is unambiguous and means one clear thing, promotion.
I would have been more impressed if he had said ‘give Michael the best chance to win promotion this season’.
He didn’t say that though, I suppose because that would mean staying in this division would be failure.
The more insidious definition of ‘Michael being successful’ is that he somehow creates a platform or situation where success means cashing in on our home grown talent. The Katrine Meire mantra where we fans can watch the club create Premier League stars of the future at other clubs may be Andy Scott’s measure of ‘Michael being successful’.
Our young players however have already done probably all they can so far, and many have been brought through and played, so what extra is Appleton supposed to add?Maybe the secret ingredient is that Appleton has been brought in because he has a special knack of persuading other clubs to pay that little bit more for young players, a good salesman.
I expect that Michael Appleton was at Colchester United yesterday in his capacity as Charlton Athletic manager and guru for making our excellent young players better, in order to watch our Zach Mitchell play.
If Appleton went to Colchester it would be interesting, but maybe he didn’t go there, but went to Stevenage to size up next week’s opposition.
It would be a disappointment to me if Michael Appleton stayed in and watched the Rugby.
If I wrote that Michael Appleton went to either Colchester of Stevenage how is that expecting less of him than other fans?
Entitlement your name is Plum.0 -
thenewbie said:seth plum said:LargeAddick said:seth plum said:I would bet that in the eyes of the fans ‘being successful’ is unambiguous and means one clear thing, promotion.
I would have been more impressed if he had said ‘give Michael the best chance to win promotion this season’.
He didn’t say that though, I suppose because that would mean staying in this division would be failure.
The more insidious definition of ‘Michael being successful’ is that he somehow creates a platform or situation where success means cashing in on our home grown talent. The Katrine Meire mantra where we fans can watch the club create Premier League stars of the future at other clubs may be Andy Scott’s measure of ‘Michael being successful’.
Our young players however have already done probably all they can so far, and many have been brought through and played, so what extra is Appleton supposed to add?Maybe the secret ingredient is that Appleton has been brought in because he has a special knack of persuading other clubs to pay that little bit more for young players, a good salesman.
I expect that Michael Appleton was at Colchester United yesterday in his capacity as Charlton Athletic manager and guru for making our excellent young players better, in order to watch our Zach Mitchell play.
If Appleton went to Colchester it would be interesting, but maybe he didn’t go there, but went to Stevenage to size up next week’s opposition.
It would be a disappointment to me if Michael Appleton stayed in and watched the Rugby.
If I wrote that Michael Appleton went to either Colchester of Stevenage how is that expecting less of him than other fans?
Entitlement your name is Plum.2 -
seth plum said:LargeAddick said:seth plum said:I would bet that in the eyes of the fans ‘being successful’ is unambiguous and means one clear thing, promotion.
I would have been more impressed if he had said ‘give Michael the best chance to win promotion this season’.
He didn’t say that though, I suppose because that would mean staying in this division would be failure.
The more insidious definition of ‘Michael being successful’ is that he somehow creates a platform or situation where success means cashing in on our home grown talent. The Katrine Meire mantra where we fans can watch the club create Premier League stars of the future at other clubs may be Andy Scott’s measure of ‘Michael being successful’.
Our young players however have already done probably all they can so far, and many have been brought through and played, so what extra is Appleton supposed to add?Maybe the secret ingredient is that Appleton has been brought in because he has a special knack of persuading other clubs to pay that little bit more for young players, a good salesman.
I expect that Michael Appleton was at Colchester United yesterday in his capacity as Charlton Athletic manager and guru for making our excellent young players better, in order to watch our Zach Mitchell play.
If Appleton went to Colchester it would be interesting, but maybe he didn’t go there, but went to Stevenage to size up next week’s opposition.
It would be a disappointment to me if Michael Appleton stayed in and watched the Rugby.
If I wrote that Michael Appleton went to either Colchester of Stevenage how is that expecting less of him than other fans?0 -
LargeAddick said:seth plum said:LargeAddick said:seth plum said:I would bet that in the eyes of the fans ‘being successful’ is unambiguous and means one clear thing, promotion.
I would have been more impressed if he had said ‘give Michael the best chance to win promotion this season’.
He didn’t say that though, I suppose because that would mean staying in this division would be failure.
The more insidious definition of ‘Michael being successful’ is that he somehow creates a platform or situation where success means cashing in on our home grown talent. The Katrine Meire mantra where we fans can watch the club create Premier League stars of the future at other clubs may be Andy Scott’s measure of ‘Michael being successful’.
Our young players however have already done probably all they can so far, and many have been brought through and played, so what extra is Appleton supposed to add?Maybe the secret ingredient is that Appleton has been brought in because he has a special knack of persuading other clubs to pay that little bit more for young players, a good salesman.
I expect that Michael Appleton was at Colchester United yesterday in his capacity as Charlton Athletic manager and guru for making our excellent young players better, in order to watch our Zach Mitchell play.
If Appleton went to Colchester it would be interesting, but maybe he didn’t go there, but went to Stevenage to size up next week’s opposition.
It would be a disappointment to me if Michael Appleton stayed in and watched the Rugby.
If I wrote that Michael Appleton went to either Colchester of Stevenage how is that expecting less of him than other fans?0 -
I find he talks in Management consultant speech.
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Was just on BBC Radio London.
Speaks well and even used a housing apology.
But not much detail about exactly what are the standards that he says need improvement or what are the problems that need solving so left, me at least, frustrated.3 -
He did say that the expectation is very much top six and promotion this season.3
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Henry Irving said:Was just on BBC Radio London.
Speaks well and even used a housing apology.
But not much detail about exactly what are the standards that he says need improvement or what are the problems that need solving so left, me at least, frustrated.
No idea if Scott will be at the meeting,?
But if they don't respond with answers that have some substance and realistic results then I think we can safely say they , like so many before them are talkers that don't or won't get things done.1 -
Looks like this guy has a job for life. If it does not work out with the players he has brought in. All he needs to do is blame the manager and his support staff for not getting the best out of the players, he has brought in.1
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Henry Irving said:Was just on BBC Radio London.
Speaks well and even used a housing apology.
But not much detail about exactly what are the standards that he says need improvement or what are the problems that need solving so left, me at least, frustrated.
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LouisMend said:Henry Irving said:Was just on BBC Radio London.
Speaks well and even used a housing apology.
But not much detail about exactly what are the standards that he says need improvement or what are the problems that need solving so left, me at least, frustrated.1 -
Scott makes it clear in that interview that he had nothing to do with the appointment of Holden in the first place. Reading between the lines I don't think he rated him much.0
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carly burn said:Scott makes it clear in that interview that he had nothing to do with the appointment of Holden in the first place. Reading between the lines I don't think he rated him much.2
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