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Fans Forum- Sept 14th 2023

clive
clive Posts: 19,470
edited September 2023 in General Charlton
Over a week since the meeting, still no notes.
Whose responsibility  is it to provide the notes?
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  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,462
    clive said:
    Over a week since the meeting, still no notes.
    Whose responsibility  is it to provide the notes?
    The club's I would guess, vetted by Methven 
  • Fanny Fanackapan
    Fanny Fanackapan Posts: 18,740
    When Meire was our "CEO", minutes weren't produced with any speed as SWMBO  insisted she went through them with a fine toothed comb beforehand. 
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,574
    so the Fans Forum no longer reports to the actual fans.
  • JohnnyH2
    JohnnyH2 Posts: 5,344
    Very poor there has been zero comms on this. As a member of the Trusst and Bromley Addicks I have heard nothing, never mind what the 2 Fans Advisor's for all supporters have said nothing as well
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,230
    I asked the comms team yesterday about this and they said the minutes are nearly ready.

    It was a 2.5 hour meeting so a lot to type up and get checked but I agree that it is frustrating not to have them sooner.

    I don't know what the delay is; in the transcribing, the checking, both or neither.





  • Lewis Coaches
    Lewis Coaches Posts: 5,409
    Nine days to type out minutes.

    You expect us to have faith and trust in the SMT.


  • Solidgone
    Solidgone Posts: 10,210
    AI chat would have had the minutes typed and ready for publishing before the fans forum started! 
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    The public facing side of the club is deteriorating.
    No stream of the U21 game for Charlton TV subscribers last Tuesday is an example.
    Tom Rubashow has been around since the days of Robinson, maybe he has become complacent.
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,349
    edited September 2023
    Henry Irving said:
    I asked the comms team yesterday about this and they said the minutes are nearly ready.

    It was a 2.5 hour meeting so a lot to type up and get checked but I agree that it is frustrating not to have them sooner.

    I don't know what the delay is; in the transcribing, the checking, both or neither.
    There are free audio transcribing tools in apps or on the internet that they could look into. If somebody is sitting there typing out every word, that's sounds like a waste of time.
  • shirty5
    shirty5 Posts: 19,235
    9 days on and foxtrot alpha.

    PR Charlie needs to have a word 
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  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,230
    https://www.leytonorient.com/news/2023/august/22/o-s-appoint-new-head-of-media-and-comms/

    This might be one reason why the Comms team is so stretched and things are being  delayed.
  • SpicedAddick
    SpicedAddick Posts: 737
    Henry Irving said:
    https://www.leytonorient.com/news/2023/august/22/o-s-appoint-new-head-of-media-and-comms/

    This might be one reason why the Comms team is so stretched and things are being  delayed.
    Congrats to him.
  • valleynick66
    valleynick66 Posts: 4,891
    Henry Irving said:
    https://www.leytonorient.com/news/2023/august/22/o-s-appoint-new-head-of-media-and-comms/

    This might be one reason why the Comms team is so stretched and things are being  delayed.
    Another opportunity for CM / JR to bring in former colleagues?
  • Lewis Coaches
    Lewis Coaches Posts: 5,409
    Not excepting that as an excuse @Henry Irving that happened 22/Aug.
    SMT need to perform or go home. We require backroom people to back up our overworked behind the screens workforce.
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,574
    Lewis Coaches said:
    Not excepting that as an excuse @Henry Irving that happened 22/Aug.
    SMT need to perform or go home. We require backroom people to back up our overworked behind the screens workforce.
    yep, over a month ago and you'd expect he'd have to had worked a notice period too. 
  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,742
    The audience for this SMT is the shareholders, who in turn are principally interested in financial performance over time. Building empathy with fans is going to be a long way down these people’s list. It’s a box ticking exercise only.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    The most authoritative constituted group that represents fans is the Supporters Trust.
    The ‘fans’ on the ‘fans forum’ tend to have mysterious mandates. I wouldn’t know if they speak for me or not.
    If the Shamocracy say participating in the fans forum is engaging with the supporter base, they are deluding themselves and possibly others they might hope to impress.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,230
    seth plum said:
    The most authoritative constituted group that represents fans is the Supporters Trust.
    The ‘fans’ on the ‘fans forum’ tend to have mysterious mandates. I wouldn’t know if they speak for me or not.
    If the Shamocracy say participating in the fans forum is engaging with the supporter base, they are deluding themselves and possibly others they might hope to impress.
    I'd point out that the supporters trust are part of the fans forum but why bother
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,230
    Lewis Coaches said:
    Not excepting that as an excuse @Henry Irving that happened 22/Aug.
    SMT need to perform or go home. We require backroom people to back up our overworked behind the screens workforce.
    I wasn't offering an excuses, just giving some background and a possible reason 
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    Henry Irving said:
    seth plum said:
    The most authoritative constituted group that represents fans is the Supporters Trust.
    The ‘fans’ on the ‘fans forum’ tend to have mysterious mandates. I wouldn’t know if they speak for me or not.
    If the Shamocracy say participating in the fans forum is engaging with the supporter base, they are deluding themselves and possibly others they might hope to impress.
    I'd point out that the supporters trust are part of the fans forum but why bother
    Why bother indeed?
    So apart from the Supporters Trust, what is the mandate for the other participants, and what methods do they systematically use to garner the views of those they are supposed to represent?
    Maybe the ‘museum’ is a participant of some kind.
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  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,349
    edited September 2023
    seth plum said:
    Henry Irving said:
    seth plum said:
    The most authoritative constituted group that represents fans is the Supporters Trust.
    The ‘fans’ on the ‘fans forum’ tend to have mysterious mandates. I wouldn’t know if they speak for me or not.
    If the Shamocracy say participating in the fans forum is engaging with the supporter base, they are deluding themselves and possibly others they might hope to impress.
    I'd point out that the supporters trust are part of the fans forum but why bother
    Why bother indeed?
    So apart from the Supporters Trust, what is the mandate for the other participants, and what methods do they systematically use to garner the views of those they are supposed to represent?
    Maybe the ‘museum’ is a participant of some kind.
    Why don't you try and find out? 

    Or if you feel your views aren't being represented, contact one of the groups 
  • cafc999
    cafc999 Posts: 4,967
    seth plum said:
    Henry Irving said:
    seth plum said:
    The most authoritative constituted group that represents fans is the Supporters Trust.
    The ‘fans’ on the ‘fans forum’ tend to have mysterious mandates. I wouldn’t know if they speak for me or not.
    If the Shamocracy say participating in the fans forum is engaging with the supporter base, they are deluding themselves and possibly others they might hope to impress.
    I'd point out that the supporters trust are part of the fans forum but why bother
    Why bother indeed?
    So apart from the Supporters Trust, what is the mandate for the other participants, and what methods do they systematically use to garner the views of those they are supposed to represent?
    Maybe the ‘museum’ is a participant of some kind.
    The museum is represented on the FF, along with various supporters groups and CAST. 

    I can assure you that there are no mysterious mandates.
  • cafc999
    cafc999 Posts: 4,967
    I would also like to point out that the fan groups that are in attendance always ask the questions that their members raise. 
  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,742
    edited September 2023
    To be fair there’s a long history of people “representing” groups that have no substance in practice. The club wouldn’t have a clue about that. I’m not saying I care or that those people had particular agendas but it’s hardly a model of democracy.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,230
    edited September 2023
    Airman Brown said:
    To be fair there’s a long history of people “representing” groups that have no substance in practice. The club wouldn’t have a clue. I’m not saying I care or that those people had particular agendas but it’s hardly a model of democracy.
    Other than City Addicks which groups?

    It's a forum for fans to communicate with the club, it's not a parliament or a local council so it isn't meant to be model of any form of elected democracy.

    Is it perfect? Far from it but it's what we have and it does allow fans to speak directly to power. If the power listens depends on them but that's not the fans thought.

    Don't let perfect be the enemy of good and stifle one of few ways we gave of holding the SMT to account 


  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,742
    edited September 2023
    Henry Irving said:
    Airman Brown said:
    To be fair there’s a long history of people “representing” groups that have no substance in practice. The club wouldn’t have a clue. I’m not saying I care or that those people had particular agendas but it’s hardly a model of democracy.
    Other than City Addicks which groups?

    It's a forum for fans to communicate with the club, it's not a parliament or a local council so doesn't model any form of democracy 
    Other than…

    I haven’t said it matters. I organised the FF for a number of years and it was never perfect but you could go through the agendas of the last few years and find any number of groups that aren’t real groups - have no membership structure or rules - yet purport to represent one interest or another. 


  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,574
    edited September 2023
    seth plum said:
    Henry Irving said:
    seth plum said:
    The most authoritative constituted group that represents fans is the Supporters Trust.
    The ‘fans’ on the ‘fans forum’ tend to have mysterious mandates. I wouldn’t know if they speak for me or not.
    If the Shamocracy say participating in the fans forum is engaging with the supporter base, they are deluding themselves and possibly others they might hope to impress.
    I'd point out that the supporters trust are part of the fans forum but why bother
    Why bother indeed?
    So apart from the Supporters Trust, what is the mandate for the other participants, and what methods do they systematically use to garner the views of those they are supposed to represent?
    Maybe the ‘museum’ is a participant of some kind.
    One person on the FF represents a group that hasn’t met for at least three/four years, doesn’t have a structure such as secretary, treasurer, committee members etc, doesn’t even have a ‘membership’ list and would have absolutely no idea of the views of the fans he would claim to represent.

    I think the make up of the FF is bizarre, fan groups in far flung countries represented but no representation, for example, of those that use Valley Express week in, week out. And as said groups represented that realistically don’t even exist.
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,574
    cafc999 said:
    I would also like to point out that the fan groups that are in attendance always ask the questions that their members raise. 
    Not true. One person at least effectively represents himself.
  • AFKABartram
    AFKABartram Posts: 57,829
    Sure some of the representation is questionable but at the end of the day, does it really matter? There’s hardly a queue of people wanting to get involved with these things, is there?

    it’s a little shame that those attending seem to feel less inclined lately to mention anything afterwards that was discussed (you haven’t got to break confidences and can caveat the minutes will be the true record). But it would be nice to get a snippet or two even just to keep a bit of public interest in it. Otherwise there’s not too much point to it all. 
  • lancashire lad
    lancashire lad Posts: 15,628
    It is a great pity that the SMT have not, to our knowledge, been talking to the CAST

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