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Fans Forum- Sept 14th 2023

clive
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Over a week since the meeting, still no notes.
Whose responsibility is it to provide the notes?
Whose responsibility is it to provide the notes?
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clive said:Over a week since the meeting, still no notes.
Whose responsibility is it to provide the notes?0 -
When Meire was our "CEO", minutes weren't produced with any speed as SWMBO insisted she went through them with a fine toothed comb beforehand.0
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so the Fans Forum no longer reports to the actual fans.0
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Very poor there has been zero comms on this. As a member of the Trusst and Bromley Addicks I have heard nothing, never mind what the 2 Fans Advisor's for all supporters have said nothing as well7
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I asked the comms team yesterday about this and they said the minutes are nearly ready.
It was a 2.5 hour meeting so a lot to type up and get checked but I agree that it is frustrating not to have them sooner.
I don't know what the delay is; in the transcribing, the checking, both or neither.
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Nine days to type out minutes.
You expect us to have faith and trust in the SMT.
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AI chat would have had the minutes typed and ready for publishing before the fans forum started!12
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The public facing side of the club is deteriorating.
No stream of the U21 game for Charlton TV subscribers last Tuesday is an example.
Tom Rubashow has been around since the days of Robinson, maybe he has become complacent.2 -
Henry Irving said:I asked the comms team yesterday about this and they said the minutes are nearly ready.
It was a 2.5 hour meeting so a lot to type up and get checked but I agree that it is frustrating not to have them sooner.
I don't know what the delay is; in the transcribing, the checking, both or neither.0 -
9 days on and foxtrot alpha.
PR Charlie needs to have a word0 - Sponsored links:
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https://www.leytonorient.com/news/2023/august/22/o-s-appoint-new-head-of-media-and-comms/
This might be one reason why the Comms team is so stretched and things are being delayed.0 -
Henry Irving said:https://www.leytonorient.com/news/2023/august/22/o-s-appoint-new-head-of-media-and-comms/
This might be one reason why the Comms team is so stretched and things are being delayed.4 -
Henry Irving said:https://www.leytonorient.com/news/2023/august/22/o-s-appoint-new-head-of-media-and-comms/
This might be one reason why the Comms team is so stretched and things are being delayed.0 -
Not excepting that as an excuse @Henry Irving that happened 22/Aug.
SMT need to perform or go home. We require backroom people to back up our overworked behind the screens workforce.1 -
Lewis Coaches said:Not excepting that as an excuse @Henry Irving that happened 22/Aug.
SMT need to perform or go home. We require backroom people to back up our overworked behind the screens workforce.1 -
The audience for this SMT is the shareholders, who in turn are principally interested in financial performance over time. Building empathy with fans is going to be a long way down these people’s list. It’s a box ticking exercise only.3
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The most authoritative constituted group that represents fans is the Supporters Trust.
The ‘fans’ on the ‘fans forum’ tend to have mysterious mandates. I wouldn’t know if they speak for me or not.
If the Shamocracy say participating in the fans forum is engaging with the supporter base, they are deluding themselves and possibly others they might hope to impress.8 -
seth plum said:The most authoritative constituted group that represents fans is the Supporters Trust.
The ‘fans’ on the ‘fans forum’ tend to have mysterious mandates. I wouldn’t know if they speak for me or not.
If the Shamocracy say participating in the fans forum is engaging with the supporter base, they are deluding themselves and possibly others they might hope to impress.3 -
Lewis Coaches said:Not excepting that as an excuse @Henry Irving that happened 22/Aug.
SMT need to perform or go home. We require backroom people to back up our overworked behind the screens workforce.0 -
Henry Irving said:seth plum said:The most authoritative constituted group that represents fans is the Supporters Trust.
The ‘fans’ on the ‘fans forum’ tend to have mysterious mandates. I wouldn’t know if they speak for me or not.
If the Shamocracy say participating in the fans forum is engaging with the supporter base, they are deluding themselves and possibly others they might hope to impress.
So apart from the Supporters Trust, what is the mandate for the other participants, and what methods do they systematically use to garner the views of those they are supposed to represent?
Maybe the ‘museum’ is a participant of some kind.4 - Sponsored links:
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seth plum said:Henry Irving said:seth plum said:The most authoritative constituted group that represents fans is the Supporters Trust.
The ‘fans’ on the ‘fans forum’ tend to have mysterious mandates. I wouldn’t know if they speak for me or not.
If the Shamocracy say participating in the fans forum is engaging with the supporter base, they are deluding themselves and possibly others they might hope to impress.
So apart from the Supporters Trust, what is the mandate for the other participants, and what methods do they systematically use to garner the views of those they are supposed to represent?
Maybe the ‘museum’ is a participant of some kind.
Or if you feel your views aren't being represented, contact one of the groups5 -
seth plum said:Henry Irving said:seth plum said:The most authoritative constituted group that represents fans is the Supporters Trust.
The ‘fans’ on the ‘fans forum’ tend to have mysterious mandates. I wouldn’t know if they speak for me or not.
If the Shamocracy say participating in the fans forum is engaging with the supporter base, they are deluding themselves and possibly others they might hope to impress.
So apart from the Supporters Trust, what is the mandate for the other participants, and what methods do they systematically use to garner the views of those they are supposed to represent?
Maybe the ‘museum’ is a participant of some kind.
I can assure you that there are no mysterious mandates.
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I would also like to point out that the fan groups that are in attendance always ask the questions that their members raise.1
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To be fair there’s a long history of people “representing” groups that have no substance in practice. The club wouldn’t have a clue about that. I’m not saying I care or that those people had particular agendas but it’s hardly a model of democracy.3
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Airman Brown said:To be fair there’s a long history of people “representing” groups that have no substance in practice. The club wouldn’t have a clue. I’m not saying I care or that those people had particular agendas but it’s hardly a model of democracy.
It's a forum for fans to communicate with the club, it's not a parliament or a local council so it isn't meant to be model of any form of elected democracy.
Is it perfect? Far from it but it's what we have and it does allow fans to speak directly to power. If the power listens depends on them but that's not the fans thought.
Don't let perfect be the enemy of good and stifle one of few ways we gave of holding the SMT to account
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Henry Irving said:Airman Brown said:To be fair there’s a long history of people “representing” groups that have no substance in practice. The club wouldn’t have a clue. I’m not saying I care or that those people had particular agendas but it’s hardly a model of democracy.
It's a forum for fans to communicate with the club, it's not a parliament or a local council so doesn't model any form of democracy
I haven’t said it matters. I organised the FF for a number of years and it was never perfect but you could go through the agendas of the last few years and find any number of groups that aren’t real groups - have no membership structure or rules - yet purport to represent one interest or another.5 -
seth plum said:Henry Irving said:seth plum said:The most authoritative constituted group that represents fans is the Supporters Trust.
The ‘fans’ on the ‘fans forum’ tend to have mysterious mandates. I wouldn’t know if they speak for me or not.
If the Shamocracy say participating in the fans forum is engaging with the supporter base, they are deluding themselves and possibly others they might hope to impress.
So apart from the Supporters Trust, what is the mandate for the other participants, and what methods do they systematically use to garner the views of those they are supposed to represent?
Maybe the ‘museum’ is a participant of some kind.
I think the make up of the FF is bizarre, fan groups in far flung countries represented but no representation, for example, of those that use Valley Express week in, week out. And as said groups represented that realistically don’t even exist.7 -
cafc999 said:I would also like to point out that the fan groups that are in attendance always ask the questions that their members raise.0
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Sure some of the representation is questionable but at the end of the day, does it really matter? There’s hardly a queue of people wanting to get involved with these things, is there?
it’s a little shame that those attending seem to feel less inclined lately to mention anything afterwards that was discussed (you haven’t got to break confidences and can caveat the minutes will be the true record). But it would be nice to get a snippet or two even just to keep a bit of public interest in it. Otherwise there’s not too much point to it all.16 -
It is a great pity that the SMT have not, to our knowledge, been talking to the CAST0