Appleton was supposed to be a manager who comes in and improves young players. But since he's been here...
Leaburn: Once looked like he could breeze this league, now in arguably his worst period of form TC: Form dropped off a cliff Ness: A shadow of his former self Watson: Form & confidence dipping Asiimwe: Looked useful under Holden, now looks anything but Anderson: Looked decent earlier in season, now not playing Chem: Frozen out Abankwah: Frozen out
Has a single young player not gone backwards under his tenure?
The problem playing May in his best position is that we only have him and CBT that can score goals even close to reliably. In that situation, it can be an advantage for him making late runs rtaher than have two men on him all the time. Stats show he has scored more for us playing out of position than in the central role so not sure why Appleton is getting criticism for that. The problem lies elsewhere in the team/squad and I strongly suspect that Appleton is trying to find a way round it.
He scores plenty in the 10, but the debate is more about whether him playing there isnāt actually helping us as we can then only play 2 central midfielders. We lose some control and are less protected defensively.
I think Appleton is aware of this, hence why he has been playing him on the right a bit, but then May doesnāt look as likely to get into scoring areas, so that hasnāt worked great either.
3-5-2 is the simple solution but Appleton seems to be one of those managers that will never stray far away from his preferred system
It is a good point and there are other options like playing 4-3-3 and god forbid players swapping positions through the game which really shouldn't be beyond even League One players. Holden was moving towards a 3-5-2 but didn't have the fit players. But it has been noticeable in previous seasons how poor we are in terms of second ball and that must go beyond formations. I think Appleton can still get it right and to achieve that he does need a bit of backing to bring a bit of steel in the side to go with some undoubted quality.
Yesterday was the only time in my Charlton supporting life where I genuinely considered going home with about 30 minutes to go. It really was that bad.
There have been some dreadful performances on away trips over the last year we've had to endure. Newport County and Port Vale were on a similar level to that of yesterday. The game could still be going on now and we'd have struggled to have carved a half chance.
This will go down as possibly the most embarrassing 'cup run' we've had in years. A 1-1 draw at home against a team from the 8th tier, and a defeat against a tin-pot club with Macauley Bonne scoring past us. Truly infuriating.
I usually find a positive. Nothing to pick out here, nobody in a Charlton shirt on that pitch seemed to give a shit. They should refund every travelling fan's ticket cost out of their own pockets.
Im not after a refund. Its all a load of nonsense as a PR exercise.
I am thinking that Apples sent everyone out there yesterday with his fingers crossed behind his back, and the important stuff... ie the league, at the back of his mind, as he said in the after match interview, looking over his shoulder.. "That is what he has to work with till Jan"...the injury list is growing daily it seems and the league has to be a priority at least till then, when hopefully someone has a plan for some new faces, because if not we are stuffed, so a case of have a go, but stay out of trouble scenario...just sayingš¤·āāļø
Gillingham clearly wanted it more than us. Fought for every ball. Not too down. What we need to do is stay in range and then replace some of the weak players we have in January (I don'y just mean physically but mentally too). Also some young players needs loan. Ness is so mistake ridden it cannot be ignored.
Problem is I don't trust Scott to replace them with anyone better and for Appleton to then get them playing as a team.
Christ, weāre not going to start calling for yet another manager sacking are we?? Is that what people want?
We want another new manger bounce. It has been how we have survived in league 1. Should do it 3 times a season and we may get the points for promotion.
2 defeats in 13 league games since Holdenās departure. Weāre in very little danger of going down this season.
I think(?) you were joking in your response but yeah, thereās really no point getting rid of Appleton now. In fact, he got a good review from Andy Scott in the latest sit down chat only 48 hours ago.
If we carry on with this ratio we could end up in the play-offs. In the main Appleton is turning things around.
Appleton was supposed to be a manager who comes in and improves young players. But since he's been here...
Leaburn: Once looked like he could breeze this league, now in arguably his worst period of form TC: Form dropped off a cliff Ness: A shadow of his former self Watson: Form & confidence dipping Asiimwe: Looked useful under Holden, now looks anything but Anderson: Looked decent earlier in season, now not playing Chem: Frozen out Abankwah: Frozen out
Has a single young player not gone backwards under his tenure?
Chunes, the players mentioned probably should be looked at more closely. Leaburn, Ness, Asiimwe, TC and Anderson are young players, in the main, not above twenty years of age, their form will ebb and flow and in my opinion we are a year away from them nailing down a place in the team. Watson, in my humble opinion has had one bad game and that, by all accounts, was yesterday. As for Abankwah and Chem, cant say i've been impressed or that they should be playing. But can I take it you want Appleton out ?
Appleton knows a lot of these are not good enough. I just hope he can get them out and replace with players he wants.
Appleton needs replacing as well
He inherited this bunch of bottle jobs. How do you think he feels? . I actually think we know now after hearing his post match interview
He has no idea of a compact competitive formation. He keeps playing May out wide on the right. He continues to play Tedic. He's another Adkins type, had some success in the past, but we'll past his sell by date. In his defence Scott's acquisitions have been appalling
So what should the club do ? Sack another manager and start again. Let's see what happens in January.
Irrespective of where we finish Appleton should start next season and he'd have had two windows with hopefully getting players in that HE wants.
Worst thing is people wanting a refund. Obviously started supported charlton this year or itās their first away game or something.
Errr - I have been to many many home and away games since 1976 - and I did post about a refund - this was out of anger and frustration - I donāt mind seeing us lose (letās face it, thatās an occupational hazard supporting Charlton) - what I do mind, is losing when the players are abject, no effort, donāt seem to care etc etc
All of us in that away yesterday were freezing our nuts off, in what is an utter disgrace of a āstandā (the late great Brian Moore must be spinning in his grave to have it named after him !!) - the minimum I expect is that our players at least tryā¦.
Fair enough. It wasn't personally at you and not a serious comment.
The way people are talking about Appleton youād think weāve lost half of our last dozen odd games.
3 losses in 17ā¦
9 losses from the 17 competitive games before he came in.
The power of Chuks Aneke mate. It's no coincidence that since Chuks got injured, we have only had two wins in the league.
He's the only player who has a bit of fight up top or physicality about him. Massive loss.
Also to say 'losses' implies drawing is a result. Some of these draws are poor
We can talk about wins if you want to.
8 wins in 17 under Appleton: Wycombe (H), Exeter (H), Villa U21 (H), Reading (H), Wigan (A), Cray Valley (A), Sutton (H), Cheltenham (H)
5 wins in the prior 17: Fleetwood (H), Orient (H), Port Vale (H), MK Dons (A), Burton (H)
Putting it all together:
Appleton: 8 wins, 6 draws, 3 losses
Holden/Pearce: 5 wins, 3 draws, 9 losses
Might sound bizarre, but I am not counting wins against Villas u21s, Cray Valley and Sutton. You can only beat what's in front of you, but that's such low level competition. Even Sutton didn't play their full strength side.
Appleton was supposed to be a manager who comes in and improves young players. But since he's been here...
Leaburn: Once looked like he could breeze this league, now in arguably his worst period of form TC: Form dropped off a cliff Ness: A shadow of his former self Watson: Form & confidence dipping Asiimwe: Looked useful under Holden, now looks anything but Anderson: Looked decent earlier in season, now not playing Chem: Frozen out Abankwah: Frozen out
Has a single young player not gone backwards under his tenure?
Chunes, the players mentioned probably should be looked at more closely. Leaburn, Ness, Asiimwe, TC and Anderson are young players, in the main, not above twenty years of age, their form will ebb and flow and in my opinion we are a year away from them nailing down a place in the team. Watson, in my humble opinion has had one bad game and that, by all accounts, was yesterday. As for Abankwah and Chem, cant say i've been impressed or that they should be playing. But can I take it you want Appleton out ?
Questioning what is going on does not mean supporters want the Manager sacked
I am thinking that Apples sent everyone out there yesterday with his fingers crossed behind his back, and the important stuff... ie the league, at the back of his mind, as he said in the after match interview, looking over his shoulder.. "That is what he has to work with till Jan"...the injury list is growing daily it seems and the league has to be a priority at least till then, when hopefully someone has a plan for some new faces, because if not we are stuffed, so a case of have a go, but stay out of trouble scenario...just sayingš¤·āāļø
I think he even mentioned in his post match interview that we have a midweek match then it gets serious again next Saturday. So I think the club in general just aren't that bothered about these cup games. If we lose midweek but win next Saturday with a good performance, even the fans will forget about the cups pretty quick and be looking upwards in the table.
Appleton was supposed to be a manager who comes in and improves young players. But since he's been here...
Leaburn: Once looked like he could breeze this league, now in arguably his worst period of form TC: Form dropped off a cliff Ness: A shadow of his former self Watson: Form & confidence dipping Asiimwe: Looked useful under Holden, now looks anything but Anderson: Looked decent earlier in season, now not playing Chem: Frozen out Abankwah: Frozen out
Has a single young player not gone backwards under his tenure?
He's probably used to being free to play youngsters when he wants, and when it would benefit them, rather than having to start them every game when they're clearly not ready.
I am thinking that Apples sent everyone out there yesterday with his fingers crossed behind his back, and the important stuff... ie the league, at the back of his mind, as he said in the after match interview, looking over his shoulder.. "That is what he has to work with till Jan"...the injury list is growing daily it seems and the league has to be a priority at least till then, when hopefully someone has a plan for some new faces, because if not we are stuffed, so a case of have a go, but stay out of trouble scenario...just sayingš¤·āāļø
I think he even mentioned in his post match interview that we have a midweek match then it gets serious again next Saturday. So I think the club in general just aren't that bothered about these cup games. If we lose midweek but win next Saturday with a good performance, even the fans will forget about the cups pretty quick and be looking upwards in the table.
Maybe we should stop buying tickets for cup games. Or perhaps the club should write a polite letter to the FA and EFL asking if they wouldn't mind awfully in future removing CAFC from the cup draw, as it is all rather inconvenient what with all our injuries and trying to prioritise the league and all and some of our fans do get unreasonably cross when the players can't be arsed
Iām not in the āAppleton outā posse but what I will say is between yesterday and the Cray Valley game he has produced two of the worst ever Charlton performances in my 47 years.
i expect a proper response in the league next week but with our shortage of strikers this is going to be difficult
I am thinking that Apples sent everyone out there yesterday with his fingers crossed behind his back, and the important stuff... ie the league, at the back of his mind, as he said in the after match interview, looking over his shoulder.. "That is what he has to work with till Jan"...the injury list is growing daily it seems and the league has to be a priority at least till then, when hopefully someone has a plan for some new faces, because if not we are stuffed, so a case of have a go, but stay out of trouble scenario...just sayingš¤·āāļø
I think he even mentioned in his post match interview that we have a midweek match then it gets serious again next Saturday. So I think the club in general just aren't that bothered about these cup games. If we lose midweek but win next Saturday with a good performance, even the fans will forget about the cups pretty quick and be looking upwards in the table.
Maybe we should stop buying tickets for cup games. Or perhaps the club should write a polite letter to the FA and EFL asking if they wouldn't mind awfully in future removing CAFC from the cup draw, as it is all rather inconvenient what with all our injuries and trying to prioritise the league and all and some of our fans do get unreasonably cross when the players can't be arsed
Spot on, we've not been arsed about the FA cup since the days it actually mattered.
A night and morning of consideration, to come to the same conclusion as everybody else who has posted. An absolute shambles of a performance, completely heartless & gutless. Second best to every ball, with Lapslie showing the sort of determination sadly lacking throughout the Charlton team. That isnāt to say Iād want any of the Gillingham players at Charlton, but this group of ours is so far below the standard required. Some decent players, but not consistent enough and not enough of them. Some youngsters who have flattered to deceive and who need to be sent out on loan to L2 or national league. Not a single player, or the manager, comes out of yesterday with any credit, but Tedic (send him back asap), Campbell, CBT, Ness and Watson (admittedly his worst performance for us) were shocking.
Only positives were seeing a few old friends, a decent pub in Chatham, not having to buy a ticket for the train home and the comfort of a heated jacket & Nordic socks for standing on that excuse of an away end.
Charlton fans suddenly caring about the FA Cup where was everyone at the valley v Cray Valley ā¦ ??? fact is the game was a pain in the bum for us we knew it was Gillingham final and MA was forced to play a team he most likey did not want to ā¦ and said before it was a case as they walked out the door ā just donāt do anything to get injured ā and you could tell that in the performance
Appleton knows a lot of these are not good enough. I just hope he can get them out and replace with players he wants.
Appleton needs replacing as well
He inherited this bunch of bottle jobs. How do you think he feels? . I actually think we know now after hearing his post match interview
He has no idea of a compact competitive formation. He keeps playing May out wide on the right. He continues to play Tedic. He's another Adkins type, had some success in the past, but we'll past his sell by date. In his defence Scott's acquisitions have been appalling
So what should the club do ? Sack another manager and start again. Let's see what happens in January.
Irrespective of where we finish Appleton should start next season and he'd have had two windows with hopefully getting players in that HE wants.
Not sure about a manager getting two windows. It's league 1, how can we trust him and be sure he will be given the funds and then be able to get promoted, he's never done it before and I don't see him as a long term manager as he isn't championship quality which is where we want to be.
It's the same old, get an average manager in, say he doesn't have his players (whatever that means) and then when they inevitably get sacked, the cycle starts again. He's a football coach, he's paid to coach the players and improve them tactically. I don't see any of these players getting better.
I'm not saying he should get sacked as it would genuinely be pointless. We need owners who are actually willing to spend the price it will take to get the higher tier players and a proper manager. It has nothing to do with where we are as a club but simply down to ambition, aka money. We need to spend to get out of this league and we just don't have the juice for it.
Our best hope is, we luckily get promoted, get another set of owners who come in and buy the club and hope that roll of the dice works. I know I'll probably get someone say to me, 'they've just got here', but we should all know by now the type of takeover this is. None of these people involved have our best interests at heart or care, they just want to boost their own egos or try and make some cash from our situation somehow.
Or maybe I'm wrong and in January they'll actually show signs of life and spend money on the players good enough to get us promoted and all will be well..
Edit: wasn't entirely aiming this at you Elf, just generally, that's the view on managers in CAFC
Iām not in the āAppleton outā posse but what I will say is between yesterday and the Cray Valley game he has produced two of the worst ever Charlton performances in my 47 years.
i expect a proper response in the league next week but with our shortage of strikers this is going to be difficult
Don't bother getting rid of Appleton. We saw after sacking Holden the calibre of managers willing to take the job.
What we don't know is who applied and who the SE7 clowns were prepared to bring in. Absolutely ridiculous of any talk of getting rid of the manager. Football fans nowadays do not have a clue. When I started going in '76 there was such a thing as giving a contract to a manager, giving him time, and normally serving the contract. Stability is a word non existent now in football. Football stinks.
Appleton knows a lot of these are not good enough. I just hope he can get them out and replace with players he wants.
Appleton needs replacing as well
He inherited this bunch of bottle jobs. How do you think he feels? . I actually think we know now after hearing his post match interview
He has no idea of a compact competitive formation. He keeps playing May out wide on the right. He continues to play Tedic. He's another Adkins type, had some success in the past, but we'll past his sell by date. In his defence Scott's acquisitions have been appalling
So what should the club do ? Sack another manager and start again. Let's see what happens in January.
Irrespective of where we finish Appleton should start next season and he'd have had two windows with hopefully getting players in that HE wants.
Not sure about a manager getting two windows. It's league 1, how can we trust him and be sure he will be given the funds and then be able to get promoted, he's never done it before and I don't see him as a long term manager as he isn't championship quality which is where we want to be.
It's the same old, get an average manager in, say he doesn't have his players (whatever that means) and then when they inevitably get sacked, the cycle starts again. He's a football coach, he's paid to coach the players and improve them tactically. I don't see any of these players getting better.
I'm not saying he should get sacked as it would genuinely be pointless. We need owners who are actually willing to spend the price it will take to get the higher tier players and a proper manager. It has nothing to do with where we are as a club but simply down to ambition, aka money. We need to spend to get out of this league and we just don't have the juice for it.
Our best hope is, we luckily get promoted, get another set of owners who come in and buy the club and hope that roll of the dice works. I know I'll probably get someone say to me, 'they've just got here', but we should all know by now the type of takeover this is. None of these people involved have our best interests at heart or care, they just want to boost their own egos or try and make some cash from our situation somehow.
Or maybe I'm wrong and in January they'll actually show signs of life and spend money on the players good enough to get us promoted and all will be well..
Edit: wasn't entirely aiming this at you Elf, just generally, that's the view on managers in CAFC
So on the basis of a manager only being allowed one window to show what he can do, we'd have two managers or more a season. I'm not sure that is a recipe for success.
Iām not in the āAppleton outā posse but what I will say is between yesterday and the Cray Valley game he has produced two of the worst ever Charlton performances in my 47 years.
i expect a proper response in the league next week but with our shortage of strikers this is going to be difficult
Hull 6-0 was not very good.
Not to mention the 5-0 capitulation 4 days earlier in midweek at Huddersfield, both of which I had the misfortune to watch š.
I live in Kent, but even as a season ticket holder who went to the Cheltenham game, I couldnāt bring myself to risk the feeling almost inevitable disappointment that comes from the vast majority of our cup games. Cray Valley was a warning and this was the follow up blow. The fans who went deserve better - weāve had amazing away support from a dedicated few that have gone from Carlisle to Gillingham. I didnāt watch or listen to the game but the comments here say it all.
Things will turn as unpleasant as Charlton can be if this squad continues to show lack of effort. The minimum expectation is putting in a shift to respect to the shirt and the fans, and only a handful can honestly say they can do that. Appleton clearly knows he has too young of a squad but for someone that got the role under the premise he can work with younger players, heās not doing particularly great on that front right now. He canāt get a tune out of this particular squad consistently and this is a massive issue.
Weāre heavily hamstrung by injuries right now, but plenty of these players should have enough quality to win games like this and Carlisle. Wins breed confidence but weāre perpetually stuck in first and second gear. Away form is utterly awful and teams have just figured out we cannot deal with any consistent press in possession. I wish that I could see an obvious solution in tactics or selection, but every lever Appleton could pull has probably been pulled.
Results like this are down to Scott et al, and they need to do more to help whoever is in the hot-seat. The thought of having another March to May with zero to play for yet again is so dreary. With the issues at Reading and Wigan this year, this was the time to push, but itās the same old story.
Iām not in the āAppleton outā posse but what I will say is between yesterday and the Cray Valley game he has produced two of the worst ever Charlton performances in my 47 years.
i expect a proper response in the league next week but with our shortage of strikers this is going to be difficult
Hull 6-0 was not very good.
Not to mention the 5-0 capitulation 4 days earlier in midweek at Huddersfield, both of which I had the misfortune to watch š.
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Leaburn: Once looked like he could breeze this league, now in arguably his worst period of form
TC: Form dropped off a cliff
Ness: A shadow of his former self
Watson: Form & confidence dipping
Asiimwe: Looked useful under Holden, now looks anything but
Anderson: Looked decent earlier in season, now not playing
Chem: Frozen out
Abankwah: Frozen out
Has a single young player not gone backwards under his tenure?
There have been some dreadful performances on away trips over the last year we've had to endure. Newport County and Port Vale were on a similar level to that of yesterday. The game could still be going on now and we'd have struggled to have carved a half chance.
This will go down as possibly the most embarrassing 'cup run' we've had in years. A 1-1 draw at home against a team from the 8th tier, and a defeat against a tin-pot club with Macauley Bonne scoring past us. Truly infuriating.
In the main Appleton is turning things around.
Or perhaps the club should write a polite letter to the FA and EFL asking if they wouldn't mind awfully in future removing CAFC from the cup draw, as it is all rather inconvenient what with all our injuries and trying to prioritise the league and all and some of our fans do get unreasonably cross when the players can't be arsed
Only positives were seeing a few old friends, a decent pub in Chatham, not having to buy a ticket for the train home and the comfort of a heated jacket & Nordic socks for standing on that excuse of an away end.
It's the same old, get an average manager in, say he doesn't have his players (whatever that means) and then when they inevitably get sacked, the cycle starts again. He's a football coach, he's paid to coach the players and improve them tactically. I don't see any of these players getting better.
I'm not saying he should get sacked as it would genuinely be pointless. We need owners who are actually willing to spend the price it will take to get the higher tier players and a proper manager. It has nothing to do with where we are as a club but simply down to ambition, aka money. We need to spend to get out of this league and we just don't have the juice for it.
Our best hope is, we luckily get promoted, get another set of owners who come in and buy the club and hope that roll of the dice works. I know I'll probably get someone say to me, 'they've just got here', but we should all know by now the type of takeover this is. None of these people involved have our best interests at heart or care, they just want to boost their own egos or try and make some cash from our situation somehow.
Or maybe I'm wrong and in January they'll actually show signs of life and spend money on the players good enough to get us promoted and all will be well..
Edit: wasn't entirely aiming this at you Elf, just generally, that's the view on managers in CAFC
Absolutely ridiculous of any talk of getting rid of the manager.
Football fans nowadays do not have a clue. When I started going in '76 there was such a thing as giving a contract to a manager, giving him time, and normally serving the contract.
Stability is a word non existent now in football. Football stinks.
I'm not sure that is a recipe for success.
Things will turn as unpleasant as Charlton can be if this squad continues to show lack of effort. The minimum expectation is putting in a shift to respect to the shirt and the fans, and only a handful can honestly say they can do that. Appleton clearly knows he has too young of a squad but for someone that got the role under the premise he can work with younger players, heās not doing particularly great on that front right now. He canāt get a tune out of this particular squad consistently and this is a massive issue.
Weāre heavily hamstrung by injuries right now, but plenty of these players should have enough quality to win games like this and Carlisle. Wins breed confidence but weāre perpetually stuck in first and second gear. Away form is utterly awful and teams have just figured out we cannot deal with any consistent press in possession. I wish that I could see an obvious solution in tactics or selection, but every lever Appleton could pull has probably been pulled.
Results like this are down to Scott et al, and they need to do more to help whoever is in the hot-seat. The thought of having another March to May with zero to play for yet again is so dreary. With the issues at Reading and Wigan this year, this was the time to push, but itās the same old story.