MATCH THREAD (+POSTp22): Gillingham vs Charlton Athletic: FA Cup🏆(2): Sat 2nd Dec 2023 | KO 3.00PM

Bailey said:

RonnieMoore said:

Charlton fans suddenly caring about the FA Cup where was everyone at the valley v Cray Valley … ??? fact is the game was a pain in the bum for us we knew it was Gillingham final and MA was forced to play a team he most likey did not want to … and said before it was a case as they walked out the door “ just don’t do anything to get injured “ and you could tell that in the performance 

I think you are right. 

DOUCHER said:

Bailey said:

RonnieMoore said:

Charlton fans suddenly caring about the FA Cup where was everyone at the valley v Cray Valley … ??? fact is the game was a pain in the bum for us we knew it was Gillingham final and MA was forced to play a team he most likey did not want to … and said before it was a case as they walked out the door “ just don’t do anything to get injured “ and you could tell that in the performance 

I think you are right. 

he is - i know i've banged on about it but its tragic the way we, and most of football, now treat the cups - cup games were more important than league games back in the day - lose and it was season over - now there treated as an inconvenience and is why i won't go to them until that changes - shift some of the prem finishing position money into the fa cup and give it a champions league spot is the only way to shift this back - get to round 3 u get £500k, 4th round, £1m, 5th round £2m, quarter £5m and so on - its all about the dosh

DOUCHER said:

a good cup run used to boost the coffers - not now coz the crowds r shit because its a reserve game

Off_it said:

LargeAddick said:

Bailey said:

LargeAddick said:

Bailey said:

JamesSeed said:

golfaddick said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

Gillingham clearly wanted it more than us. Fought for every ball. Not too down. What we need to do is stay in range and then replace some of the weak players we have in January (I don'y just mean physically but mentally too). Also some young players needs loan. Ness is so mistake ridden it cannot be ignored.

Problem is I don't trust Scott to replace them with anyone better and for Appleton to then get them playing as a team. 

Christ, we’re not going to start calling for yet another manager sacking are we?? Is that what people want?

JamesSeed said:

golfaddick said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

Gillingham clearly wanted it more than us. Fought for every ball. Not too down. What we need to do is stay in range and then replace some of the weak players we have in January (I don'y just mean physically but mentally too). Also some young players needs loan. Ness is so mistake ridden it cannot be ignored.

Problem is I don't trust Scott to replace them with anyone better and for Appleton to then get them playing as a team. 

Christ, we’re not going to start calling for yet another manager sacking are we?? Is that what people want?

A rhetorical question James as that's exactly what they are calling for. Three defeats in seventeen games doesn't matter to these knuckle draggers. They specialise in the negative and in Charlton Athletic the easiest thing to be is negative. It's the same old names, and the same old rhetoric, boring, tired rants.  

Where has anyone in the comments above called for another manager sacking? They haven’t. But you go ahead and twist people’s words to suit your own rhetoric and defence of another shit show of a performance.

Err DDOUBLEE for a start. Large look through the posts. There are four targets generally used by these posters, Kirk, McGrandles, Appleton and the owners. I don't have a problem criticising any of them but apart from Kirk, it never is based on facts. Facts are, Appleton has improved performances and results, doing so without Camara, Isted, Chuks and Taylor, it isn't his squad and he and everyone else knows it needs improving. The owners and the January window, nobody knows whether they will fund the squad in January but there are people on here already stating nothing will be done and there will only be departures, they were having Miles as a certainty to leave, they must be desperate now his serious injury has put paid to any move in January. Lastly, McGrandles, a player booed on to the pitch and slaughtered on here when he has hardly played any games for the club and has been successful at most other clubs he has appeared for but they are certain 'he's shit' an opinion based on what? Tedic is getting close the amount of appearances made by McGrandles and yet he's not a target. As I say, it's easy to criticise Charlton, its almost self deprecating by these posters, 'I told you they were shit' therefore I am and always were better than you, apart from the facts tell a different story. 

You didn't quote DOUBLEE post though you quoted a post which hadn't called for the managers head hence my picking you up on it.

Err, but you said "Where has anyone in the comments above called for another manager sacking? They haven’t. But you go ahead and twist people’s words to suit your own rhetoric and defence of another shit show of a performance."

He's just told you. Now you could either just apologise, or you could keep digging.

DOUCHER said:

Bailey said:

DOUCHER said:

Bailey said:

RonnieMoore said:

Charlton fans suddenly caring about the FA Cup where was everyone at the valley v Cray Valley … ??? fact is the game was a pain in the bum for us we knew it was Gillingham final and MA was forced to play a team he most likey did not want to … and said before it was a case as they walked out the door “ just don’t do anything to get injured “ and you could tell that in the performance 

I think you are right. 

he is - i know i've banged on about it but its tragic the way we, and most of football, now treat the cups - cup games were more important than league games back in the day - lose and it was season over - now there treated as an inconvenience and is why i won't go to them until that changes - shift some of the prem finishing position money into the fa cup and give it a champions league spot is the only way to shift this back - get to round 3 u get £500k, 4th round, £1m, 5th round £2m, quarter £5m and so on - its all about the dosh

And in so many ways the football authorities have it wrong, we are fed a diet of meaningless freight/pizza cup games and a diluted FA cup. Why would you risk a rapidly depleted squad for a limited chance of a moments headlines. It mattered years ago, it doesn't matter now. 

yep and then throw in that 90% of world cup qualifying games are utterly meaningless as well - if 2 teams aren't throwing there absolute all into a game then it is a boring spectacle not worth watching  

MuttleyCAFC said:

The problem playing May in his best position is that we only have him and CBT that can score goals even close to reliably. In that situation, it can be an advantage for him making late runs rtaher than have two men on him all the time. Stats show he has scored more for us playing out of position than in the central role so not sure why Appleton is getting criticism for that. The problem lies elsewhere in the team/squad and I strongly suspect that Appleton is trying to find a way round it. 

ElfsborgAddick said:

redbuttle said:

Melrose said:

redbuttle said:

Melrose said:

roseandcrown said:

Awful no bottle or heart. 

Appleton knows a lot of these are not good enough.  I just hope he can get them out and replace with players he wants. 

Appleton needs replacing as well

He inherited this bunch of bottle jobs. How do you think he feels? . I actually think we know now after hearing his post match interview 

He has no idea of a compact competitive formation. He keeps playing May out wide on the right. He continues to play Tedic. He's another Adkins type, had some success in the past, but we'll past his sell by date. In his defence Scott's acquisitions have been appalling

So what should the club do ? Sack another manager and start again. Let's see what happens in January. 

Irrespective of where we finish Appleton should start next season and he'd have had two windows with hopefully getting players in that HE wants.

golfaddick said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

The problem playing May in his best position is that we only have him and CBT that can score goals even close to reliably. In that situation, it can be an advantage for him making late runs rtaher than have two men on him all the time. Stats show he has scored more for us playing out of position than in the central role so not sure why Appleton is getting criticism for that. The problem lies elsewhere in the team/squad and I strongly suspect that Appleton is trying to find a way round it. 

I'm confused.

Are you saying that because we have no other players that can score we can't play them because they can't score ? 

Or that because May can score we can't play him up front because he will show everyone up ?

I have no idea of the stats but I'd bet your mortgage that if Alfie May played half the season in a front 2 he'd score more goals than if he played the 2nd half of the season out wide.

Stats can be skewed to show anything. Alfie started the season up front & was unlucky on his debut to be denied a goal by a brilliant save by the keeper.

He scored 2 goals last Tuesday whilst playing on the right.....but both were from penalties and NOT because he was playing on the right. I believe I read that in the last 2 games against Carlisle & Cheltenham he hasn't had a shot on goal......WHILST PLAYING OUT ON THE RIGHT.

supaclive said:

We try to make apologies for basically our first choice side showing no bollocks and being outworked, outfought and outplayed by rhe mighty Gillingham.

Ridiculous.   We have a culture within the club - management, ownership and playing squad that stinking it up is acceptable for us as fans and the club as a whole.

Until that actually changes, nothing else will change. 

Tedic.  Loaned in at the end of August is already being named and shamed by the manager.

Chem Campbell and Abankwah are nowhere near the side.

Three of our loans are fucking terrible and Camara is injured long term.  The ownership has to take responsibility for that.

They've wasted wages on that shit.

LargeAddick said:

Off_it said:

LargeAddick said:

Bailey said:

LargeAddick said:

Bailey said:

JamesSeed said:

golfaddick said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

Gillingham clearly wanted it more than us. Fought for every ball. Not too down. What we need to do is stay in range and then replace some of the weak players we have in January (I don'y just mean physically but mentally too). Also some young players needs loan. Ness is so mistake ridden it cannot be ignored.

Problem is I don't trust Scott to replace them with anyone better and for Appleton to then get them playing as a team. 

Christ, we’re not going to start calling for yet another manager sacking are we?? Is that what people want?

JamesSeed said:

golfaddick said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

Gillingham clearly wanted it more than us. Fought for every ball. Not too down. What we need to do is stay in range and then replace some of the weak players we have in January (I don'y just mean physically but mentally too). Also some young players needs loan. Ness is so mistake ridden it cannot be ignored.

Problem is I don't trust Scott to replace them with anyone better and for Appleton to then get them playing as a team. 

Christ, we’re not going to start calling for yet another manager sacking are we?? Is that what people want?

A rhetorical question James as that's exactly what they are calling for. Three defeats in seventeen games doesn't matter to these knuckle draggers. They specialise in the negative and in Charlton Athletic the easiest thing to be is negative. It's the same old names, and the same old rhetoric, boring, tired rants.  

Where has anyone in the comments above called for another manager sacking? They haven’t. But you go ahead and twist people’s words to suit your own rhetoric and defence of another shit show of a performance.

Err DDOUBLEE for a start. Large look through the posts. There are four targets generally used by these posters, Kirk, McGrandles, Appleton and the owners. I don't have a problem criticising any of them but apart from Kirk, it never is based on facts. Facts are, Appleton has improved performances and results, doing so without Camara, Isted, Chuks and Taylor, it isn't his squad and he and everyone else knows it needs improving. The owners and the January window, nobody knows whether they will fund the squad in January but there are people on here already stating nothing will be done and there will only be departures, they were having Miles as a certainty to leave, they must be desperate now his serious injury has put paid to any move in January. Lastly, McGrandles, a player booed on to the pitch and slaughtered on here when he has hardly played any games for the club and has been successful at most other clubs he has appeared for but they are certain 'he's shit' an opinion based on what? Tedic is getting close the amount of appearances made by McGrandles and yet he's not a target. As I say, it's easy to criticise Charlton, its almost self deprecating by these posters, 'I told you they were shit' therefore I am and always were better than you, apart from the facts tell a different story. 

You didn't quote DOUBLEE post though you quoted a post which hadn't called for the managers head hence my picking you up on it.

Err, but you said "Where has anyone in the comments above called for another manager sacking? They haven’t. But you go ahead and twist people’s words to suit your own rhetoric and defence of another shit show of a performance."

He's just told you. Now you could either just apologise, or you could keep digging.

The comments above being the ones he quoted. The ones he quoted didn’t call for Appletons sacking. It’s not my fault he can’t quote correctly.

Raith_C_Chattonell said:

To be fair to Appleton I think he has recognised the soft underbelly in the squad. There seems to be a lack of resilience and mental fortitude that was talked about by Ben Garner a year ago. Appleton has mentioned the lack of commitment, the lack of running off the ball and inability to compete several times since his arrival here. He also said on one occasion that he was aware of it at Charlton whilst at another club. I’m not sure if the modern recruitment process picks up on player attitudes and will to win. Obviously ability 'on the grass' is important, but so too is that thing called spirit.

Garner 2/12/22.

We can’t keep sacking managers to solve club’s ‘cultural issues’ That comes back to mentality. That’s something that has to change at the football club. I’m not trying to take pressure off me, but I don’t think it’s a managerial issue. “You can keep changing manager every three or four months if you want. It’s deeper than that. It’s a cultural issue. It’s a mentality issue. That’s harder to change, but that’s what we’ve got to do.

Appleton 30/9/23 Draw at Shrewsbury

“The first half – I can’t take that, I can’t accept that. I made the players aware of that at half time. “I think no matter what game of football you play in, whether it’s in the Premier League or the National League, you’ve got to compete. You might not be the most aggressive person but you’ve got to be competitive. You can’t have a career in football if you’re not competitive.”

Appleton 24/10/23 Lincoln defeat

“We just didn’t give ourselves a chance tonight. We didn’t compete enough with them,” he told CharltonTV. “And if you do that against a really physical side like Lincoln, there’s only going to be one scenario that’s going to happen and that’s what happened.” Appleton also noticed some heads dropping after Charlton went behind: “Once the second goal went in, there were one or two players who looked like they didn’t really think they could get back in the game.

Appleton 2/12/23 Gillingham

“But if you change three or four players in the team, you certainly don’t expect the performance levels to drop as low as what they’ve done today. “That’s the slightly worrying thing from my point of view. “The players coming into the group, they’ve all had minutes at some point and they’ve all been exposed to this type of game. “From that point of view, there was an opportunity for one or two of the players to really take the bull by the horn, drive forward and ask questions of me, basically. “There wasn’t enough players asking questions of me today. “None of them can knock on my door and ask me why I’m not in the team.

AFKABartram said:

Raith_C_Chattonell said:

To be fair to Appleton I think he has recognised the soft underbelly in the squad. There seems to be a lack of resilience and mental fortitude that was talked about by Ben Garner a year ago. Appleton has mentioned the lack of commitment, the lack of running off the ball and inability to compete several times since his arrival here. He also said on one occasion that he was aware of it at Charlton whilst at another club. I’m not sure if the modern recruitment process picks up on player attitudes and will to win. Obviously ability 'on the grass' is important, but so too is that thing called spirit.

Garner 2/12/22.

We can’t keep sacking managers to solve club’s ‘cultural issues’ That comes back to mentality. That’s something that has to change at the football club. I’m not trying to take pressure off me, but I don’t think it’s a managerial issue. “You can keep changing manager every three or four months if you want. It’s deeper than that. It’s a cultural issue. It’s a mentality issue. That’s harder to change, but that’s what we’ve got to do.

Appleton 30/9/23 Draw at Shrewsbury

“The first half – I can’t take that, I can’t accept that. I made the players aware of that at half time. “I think no matter what game of football you play in, whether it’s in the Premier League or the National League, you’ve got to compete. You might not be the most aggressive person but you’ve got to be competitive. You can’t have a career in football if you’re not competitive.”

Appleton 24/10/23 Lincoln defeat

“We just didn’t give ourselves a chance tonight. We didn’t compete enough with them,” he told CharltonTV. “And if you do that against a really physical side like Lincoln, there’s only going to be one scenario that’s going to happen and that’s what happened.” Appleton also noticed some heads dropping after Charlton went behind: “Once the second goal went in, there were one or two players who looked like they didn’t really think they could get back in the game.

Appleton 2/12/23 Gillingham

“But if you change three or four players in the team, you certainly don’t expect the performance levels to drop as low as what they’ve done today. “That’s the slightly worrying thing from my point of view. “The players coming into the group, they’ve all had minutes at some point and they’ve all been exposed to this type of game. “From that point of view, there was an opportunity for one or two of the players to really take the bull by the horn, drive forward and ask questions of me, basically. “There wasn’t enough players asking questions of me today. “None of them can knock on my door and ask me why I’m not in the team.

It’s all words. I’m fed up with words. Be it from owners, employees, managers or players. 

They can all talk the talk. No one has delivered anything approaching the walk for years.