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POST-MATCH THREAD: Charlton Athletic vs Burton Albion: Saturday 23rd December 2023 | KO 3:00pm
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It was just unremarkable to lose it again - there was only 1 team that were going to score after to 87th minute - same scared approach - at least we didn’t try and keep it in the corner flag with 8mins to play like the Cambridge game - but that’s about the only positive I can find !!0
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I work 12hr nights, and currently am working 12 straight over Christmas. I'd still normally get up and watch a stream of the game but today my alarm went off and I thought "there's no point" and went back to sleep. I'm officially done with this season I think.
We have a few (very few) decent players. But most are poor, especially when it comes to their football intelligence. But everything about the team, the players, management, coaching and recruitment is just off and has been for years now. Nothing is going to improve without huge changes which I can't see happening anytime soon.0 -
Millwall team of 1996… “hold my beer”SELR_addicks said:
We aren't getting relegated.msomerton said:
Season not over. We still have relegationtp worry about. To avoid that we need to win more games than we draw, we are nor doing that at the moment. Promotion thus season with this squad always was a long shot relegation is not.philcafc said:11 points from both the Play-Off and relegation places. Hard to believe that our season is dead with it not half way through yet but that's how it looks.
Burton were utterly dreadful and even they aren't in the bottom 4. We would actively have to try losing every week to go down.8 -
He probably isn’t but I’m seeing very little evidence that he is going to be the solution. If we are going to invest and rebuild over the next 2 windows do you really trust Appleton to be the manager for that?ElfsborgAddick said:
He is not the problem.BigDiddy said:
No - give him the bootMuttleyCAFC said:I think we need to give Appleton a window. We can't keep sacking managers. It doesn't work.5 -
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But it's not Appletons window is it ? Scott is driving whatever recruitment there will be but lets be sensible here, the idea that we will bring in even a couple of decent signings is laughable. Scott is full of media savvy shit.MuttleyCAFC said:I think we need to give Appleton a window. We can't keep sacking managers. It doesn't work.4 -
ImbecileRonnieMoore said:
He not played wellpeterreeves said:Is it true Dobbo is out of the Orient game.. 5 bookings? If so another disappointment beckons.
fir a while now either .. don’t think it’s a bad thing4 -
Yes it's the disinterested wankers who appointed him and 'run' the club who are the problem. He's still a shit manager thoughElfsborgAddick said:
He is not the problem.BigDiddy said:
No - give him the bootMuttleyCAFC said:I think we need to give Appleton a window. We can't keep sacking managers. It doesn't work.4 -
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I don't know why we bother with this thread, it's the same story every bloody week.0
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That is a very good question tbf.NabySarr said:
He probably isn’t but I’m seeing very little evidence that he is going to be the solution. If we are going to invest and rebuild over the next 2 windows do you really trust Appleton to be the manager for that?ElfsborgAddick said:
He is not the problem.BigDiddy said:
No - give him the bootMuttleyCAFC said:I think we need to give Appleton a window. We can't keep sacking managers. It doesn't work.
However, Rodwell and Scott need to give him two windows to see what he is made of and let him bring in HIS players.
If this mob are not going to break the bank we are always going to have managers of limited ability and success rate.
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Run has an I in itEast Kent Addick said:
Yes it's the disinterested wankers who appointed him and 'run' the club who are the problem. He's still a shit manager thoughElfsborgAddick said:
He is not the problem.BigDiddy said:
No - give him the bootMuttleyCAFC said:I think we need to give Appleton a window. We can't keep sacking managers. It doesn't work.
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Where the hell have we gone as a club????
Not sure if any of the hierarchy read this forum
But if you do
was in Xbars before the game with a few loyal hardy friends- these are guys who remember Halifax in front of 3000 on a cold night in the 70’s
We have been there worn the shirt and many times
We dont ask for much -It’s always the hope that kills you
But we were talking about happier times especially in the prem
Where are the warriors
Kiscichev Brownie Kins Robbo etc
Im always half glass full - but today ..
Well enough is enough
Who ever you Owners are
We are a Very Proud Club
A very loyal( but reducing fan base) but we are still here
Im Not sure why you are???
Prove me wrong and not join the club of Owners who promised so much but deliverd Fcuk All
We will support you -If you Support us!
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This,Mendonca In Asdas said:
We’ve just had 2 winnable games at home and dropped 4 points., my expectations are low, very low.MuttleyCAFC said:We have two winnable games coming up which we have to win. The January business needs to be early, not on deadline day. I can't see either happening.
I said at the start of the month that to be getting anywhere near the top 6 we had to win 5 out of our next 7 games. We've drawn 3 out of 3, 2 being at home to teams below us & both times we were leading.
If they weren't "winnable" I don't know what is.2 -
Do you mean wankers Blackpool? That's not on the naughty list IIRCblackpool72 said:I've still got the fucking hump
over today's performance.
But I've been warned not to use the c word to describe how I feel.
So as I don't want to upset the mods I shall just call the team
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasakers
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We’ve won 7 games all against teams in the bottom nine. No wins against anybody in the top ten. But don’t worry loads being spent in January.2
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Is that the team we beat in the snow that then went from being top (or close to it) to getting relegated.MillwallFan said:
Millwall team of 1996… “hold my beer”SELR_addicks said:
We aren't getting relegated.msomerton said:
Season not over. We still have relegationtp worry about. To avoid that we need to win more games than we draw, we are nor doing that at the moment. Promotion thus season with this squad always was a long shot relegation is not.philcafc said:11 points from both the Play-Off and relegation places. Hard to believe that our season is dead with it not half way through yet but that's how it looks.
Burton were utterly dreadful and even they aren't in the bottom 4. We would actively have to try losing every week to go down.
That thought has brightend my evening. Every cloud......3 -
50 plus years of supporting my local club and been through many more lows than highs and this is as bad as it’s ever been on the playing side. No confidence we can hold onto a lead, no confidence we can defend a corner or free kick near our box and starting to fear this isn’t going to change any time soon.
If CBT had any sort of football brain we could/ should have been three up in the second half but no he can’t see when to keep the ball, when to pass, when to shoot or when to cross the ball. Watson comes on, starts well and then tries a stupid little flick pass in centre midfield, loses the ball and fouls his man. In comes the free kick, we have three players who can’t make a decent challenge and they score from a bloke unmarked in our six yard box because Eden has switched off and is playing too deep again.
One positive today was the performance by Kanu - he’s come back a man from his Southend loan.
God it’s difficult to feel anything positive about Charlton at the mo but I’ll be back on New Year’s Day because Charlton is in my blood and I am Charlton till I die6 -
Agree with everything you say apart from the bit about Kanu. I thought today he showed that he's still quite a way off the required standard we need801912601 said:50 plus years of supporting my local club and been through many more lows than highs and this is as bad as it’s ever been on the playing side. No confidence we can hold onto a lead, no confidence we can defend a corner or free kick near our box and starting to fear this isn’t going to change any time soon.
If CBT had any sort of football brain we could/ should have been three up in the second half but no he can’t see when to keep the ball, when to pass, when to shoot or when to cross the ball. Watson comes on, starts well and then tries a stupid little flick pass in centre midfield, loses the ball and fouls his man. In comes the free kick, we have three players who can’t make a decent challenge and they score from a bloke unmarked in our six yard box because Eden has switched off and is playing too deep again.
One positive today was the performance by Kanu - he’s come back Amanda from his Southend loan.
God it’s difficult to feel anything positive about Charlton at the mo but I’ll be back on New Year’s Day because Charlton is in my blood and I am Charlton till I die1 -
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OMGSDAddick said:
I'm not lecturing on how to support a team, I'm pointing out how people post on this forum.Chunes said:
Honestly, with all politeness, I think you need to pipe down a bit here. You don't get it. Having overseas fans is fantastic but it's a hobby for you at the end of the day. Growing up in SE London, working class, your football team is unexplainable. I mean you didn't get why losing to the Gills was a big deal. You're so welcome as a fan but as the same time you have to have a hint of deference and to be lecturing us on how to support our team is ridiculous.SDAddick said:
I absolutely agree about that today, but there are some on here who literally only post when we have a poor result. It is not their fault, and I didn't say it was. But it has been noteworthy for weeks if not months that some almost celebrate the bad results and are quiet about the good ones. And that is what I find baffling.Athletico Charlton said:SDAddick said:A real boon for those only interested in the team for when they get to call them "gutless" or whatever. A great day for them.
Sorry, calling out fans is a nonsense. There is not a single fan who think this is a great day. Sure some are more pessimistic/glass half full but no.one.on here wants Charlton to lose.
I see lots of posters who go to games, pumping their money into the club and totally fed up with another pathetic season, a poor team, a poor manager and a dreadful result (again) against a dreadful opposition (again).
As Ohhahh regularly points out this is pretty much our worst running league performance ever at the same time our rivals are outperforming. It is hardly surprising fans are fed up.
You're absolutely right, I didn't grow up working class in SE7. And I can't help or change that. But how many trips to the Valley, or away days, do I have to do until I get a day? How much time spent on here? How many times waking up at 6am? It's not the same, but it's not like I'm new here either.
You think I don't know that Gillingham is close? Or that it's a "derby?" Any point I made about that game was simply because it was the cup and the league matters more. Maybe that's a culture difference, maybe that's an age difference. But it's particularly ironic given how many times down the years I've heard "Gillingham is a derby for them but not for us."
You can gatekeep all you want. You can call me less of a fan, and you can LOL all my posts, but it doesn't change my feelings for the club. And I'm not going anywhere. And frankly, that's because I value so many of you on here, both for footballing and non-footballing reasons. BY THE WAY CHUNES, THAT INCLUDES YOU! Because for as much as I disagree with you and your pessimism, I still read all your posts because I think you're still very thoughtful and grounded in reality. Ironically, I wasn't talking about you because you're here rain and shine. And I'm not talking about someone like a golfie because golfie is always miserable and you can set your watch by that.
I'll say one last thing: there have been a lot of threads on here that I have loved down the years, but in the last couple years the Autism thread has really helped me understand both my dad and my friends on the spectrum. And I value ALL of you for it and for creating such a wonderful community.
What I'm trying to say is fuck you, and I love all of you, even when I can't stand you.1 -
Neither full-backs do it for me. They look a downgrade on Egbo and Sessegnon and no better than Sean Clare.Croydon said:
I've seen enough of Edun now to know we've signed yet another dud.Callumcafc said:
Disagree, think we recruited for a 4-3-3. That’s the formation we played throughout pre season. Then we got tonked by Aberdeen and Holden panicked, started the season 3-5-2 against Orient.SDAddick said:
I think it's supposed to be the model now.Callumcafc said:
That is the model of ours and other clubs, yes.ross1 said:Surely we will not be getting MA choice of players but Scott's choice, that way, when MA goes and is replaced, the style of play will be decided by Scott who will make sure the new head coach will play the way he wants with the players brought in to play that way
It either hasn't been the model, or hasn't been done well enough, in recent years.
In the summer we clearly recruited for a 3-5-2, and Holden switched to a 4-3-3 in like the second or third game. And then we brought in Apples who plays 4-2-3-1. And as such, we don't have enough FB cover, especially solid defensive fullbacks, and we don't have a natural right winger.
By my count we've started: May, TC, Tedic, Leaburn, Kanu, and Rylah at RW in the league. CC has started there in the cup but not sure about the league. We've basically played all of our attackers except Chuks and CBT on the right, which is absolutely the sign of a lack of joined up thinking.
Edun and Tennai have historically mostly played traditional full back roles in their careers. I think we were recruited to played right back and left back, not wing back.
Appleton was brought in because he plays 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 which gels with the recruitment strategy.
And if we were going for three centre backs as the primary formation, you’d think we’d have signed more than just Jones to add to Hector, Ness and Thomas.
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SDAddick said:
I'm not lecturing on how to support a team, I'm pointing out how people post on this forum.Chunes said:
Honestly, with all politeness, I think you need to pipe down a bit here. You don't get it. Having overseas fans is fantastic but it's a hobby for you at the end of the day. Growing up in SE London, working class, your football team is unexplainable. I mean you didn't get why losing to the Gills was a big deal. You're so welcome as a fan but as the same time you have to have a hint of deference and to be lecturing us on how to support our team is ridiculous.SDAddick said:
I absolutely agree about that today, but there are some on here who literally only post when we have a poor result. It is not their fault, and I didn't say it was. But it has been noteworthy for weeks if not months that some almost celebrate the bad results and are quiet about the good ones. And that is what I find baffling.Athletico Charlton said:SDAddick said:A real boon for those only interested in the team for when they get to call them "gutless" or whatever. A great day for them.
Sorry, calling out fans is a nonsense. There is not a single fan who think this is a great day. Sure some are more pessimistic/glass half full but no.one.on here wants Charlton to lose.
I see lots of posters who go to games, pumping their money into the club and totally fed up with another pathetic season, a poor team, a poor manager and a dreadful result (again) against a dreadful opposition (again).
As Ohhahh regularly points out this is pretty much our worst running league performance ever at the same time our rivals are outperforming. It is hardly surprising fans are fed up.
You're absolutely right, I didn't grow up working class in SE7. And I can't help or change that. But how many trips to the Valley, or away days, do I have to do until I get a day? How much time spent on here? How many times waking up at 6am? It's not the same, but it's not like I'm new here either.
You think I don't know that Gillingham is close? Or that it's a "derby?" Any point I made about that game was simply because it was the cup and the league matters more. Maybe that's a culture difference, maybe that's an age difference. But it's particularly ironic given how many times down the years I've heard "Gillingham is a derby for them but not for us."
You can gatekeep all you want. You can call me less of a fan, and you can LOL all my posts, but it doesn't change my feelings for the club. And I'm not going anywhere. And frankly, that's because I value so many of you on here, both for footballing and non-footballing reasons. BY THE WAY CHUNES, THAT INCLUDES YOU! Because for as much as I disagree with you and your pessimism, I still read all your posts because I think you're still very thoughtful and grounded in reality. Ironically, I wasn't talking about you because you're here rain and shine. And I'm not talking about someone like a golfie because golfie is always miserable and you can set your watch by that.
I'll say one last thing: there have been a lot of threads on here that I have loved down the years, but in the last couple years the Autism thread has really helped me understand both my dad and my friends on the spectrum. And I value ALL of you for it and for creating such a wonderful community.
What I'm trying to say is fuck you, and I love all of you, even when I can't stand you.
Only thing that miffs me mate is why Charlton, fair play. I'd have snuck off to a more glamorous side like Stoke City or Preston North End a long time ago,
Legend
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I would have thought a Rolls Royce defender should be winning the ball there 🤷🏻♂️Callumcafc said:8 -
13th January- probably the first game when parking restrictions will kick in.
13th January - visit of P'Boro in good form.
13th January- possibility of losing CBT but also missing the dynamo that is Dobbo.
13th January- What are the odds of the players being booed off the pitch and calls for the gaffer's head ?
Oh and probably our lowest gate for many a year - especially poignant as it's the Memorial match.
Welcome to 2024 at The Valley.2 -
Here to help 😁golfaddick said:
Is that the team we beat in the snow that then went from being top (or close to it) to getting relegated.MillwallFan said:
Millwall team of 1996… “hold my beer”SELR_addicks said:
We aren't getting relegated.msomerton said:
Season not over. We still have relegationtp worry about. To avoid that we need to win more games than we draw, we are nor doing that at the moment. Promotion thus season with this squad always was a long shot relegation is not.philcafc said:11 points from both the Play-Off and relegation places. Hard to believe that our season is dead with it not half way through yet but that's how it looks.
Burton were utterly dreadful and even they aren't in the bottom 4. We would actively have to try losing every week to go down.
That thought has brightend my evening. Every cloud......2 -
Apologies for diverting away from the main topic of this game, but on bigger picture stuff, I cannot point at one aspect and say it's wholly to blame - poor historical/present recruitment and frequent head coach changes are right up there for me, but there's plenty of other things at play that contribute too. Under both DH and MA this season, the ability to throw points away seems so high and that feels more like it's in the players heads more than anything else. The resilience of the players regularly feels wafer thin.
I honestly don't think sacking MA would solve anything. There are certainly people that could do a better job, but would they want the job or could we pay them? Everything screams mediocre at the club and nothing has show the elite level that some speak of. That will need time and multiple, consecutive good windows of transfer business. With a fit(ter) and better squad, I think MA could get us into the playoffs, but it will probably mean more dross games like this from now until, at the very least, the end of the season. Even then, unless the players coming in buy in and we don't lose more good players, the only remedy to this feels like time and investment.
It's painful writing and accepting this, but this is and has been our reality for a while.6 -
Now now, even Rolls Royces break down, sometimes 18 times or more over the course of the yearCroydon said:
I would have thought a Rolls Royce defender should be winning the ball there 🤷🏻♂️Callumcafc said:2 -
🥹…but could all be so desperately trueFanny Fanackapan said:13th January- probably the first game when parking restrictions will kick in.
13th January - visit of P'Boro in good form.
13th January- possibility of losing CBT but also missing the dynamo that is Dobbo.
13th January- What are the odds of the players being booed off the pitch and calls for the gaffer's head ?
Oh and probably our lowest gate for many a year - especially poignant as it's the Memorial match.
Welcome to 2024 at The Valley.0 -
Yeah, cos you can tell so much from a still image. The desperation to blame Hector for anything and everything when he's been our best player for at least a month. I see Dobson in attendance too. Why didn't he stop the goal eh? Only Edun is at fault here, that is just very offside without him being dozy (for the second home game running)Croydon said:
I would have thought a Rolls Royce defender should be winning the ball there 🤷🏻♂️Callumcafc said:7
