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POST MATCH THREAD : Leyton Orient Vs Charlton Athletic : Tuesday Boxing Day 2023 : KO 13:00
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Airman Brown said:Oakster2 said:golfaddick said:SporadicAddick said:Valiantphil said:SporadicAddick said:Valiantphil said:We need some Prem quality loanees (not Tedic).
6 months on & we have tried......
Campbell T
Campbell C
Leaburn
May
Tedic
Kanu
at right wing. All to no avail.
For the love of God will someone please listen when fans speak.
“What I tend to find at certain clubs I’ve worked for is that there’s almost an obsession with social media and fans’ forums within the hierarchy. You’re talking about these people on social media and fans’ forums and they’re a very, very small percentage of the actual fanbase but their voice seems to be bigger than what yours is.”
https://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/sport/football/blackpool-fc/michael-appleton-opens-up-on-blackpools-struggles-manager-pressure-and-impact-of-social-media-4097188
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Right who's going to Bristol Ha2
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Gribbo said:Our players and manager are always going to be mediocre as long as we're League 1. Players who are 100% in all areas of their game don't tend to play in League 1, they're usually with Chelsea or City in the Prem.
CBT, for example, getting pelters for not being able to finish a move every time; yeah that's right, because if he did have the finishing touch every time, he wouldn't be playing for Charlton.
Just think the idea is to give a mediocre manager time and support, to get the best out of a team of mediocre players, who each make up for eachother's short falls. The only alternative to that, imo, is to invest heavily, or do a Wrexham and become
look at parky when we had David Mooney, Miguel Llera and Christian Daily
They wasn’t the best players on the planet but at least they had some bottle and got us to a play off semi final
the squad we have on paper is technically better then that squad. This team doesn’t have the backbone, the fight, the Tuesday night at Yeovil in the pissing rain kind of appeal.
total soft touch, every team knows they only have to pump balls forward in the last 10 minutes and it’s guaranteed points.
we need a manager who’s got the grit by his teeth and gives them all huge kick up the arse.
Apples can sod off.
Everyone else can see what’s wrong
teams used to hate coming to The Valley, it was intimidating, we were hard to beat.
now it’s a just a circus, our whole club is, has been for years.
no sweet quick miracle in January is gonna fix that I’m afraid8 -
Managing the game/doing the basics that exist in all levels of football, We are so poor at. Is that due to lack of determination, lack of footballing brain or lack of experience. But the basics like simple throw in to enable players to give you the ball back make it difficult for players to control ,corners we never seem set up right defensively or a threat at all for attacking set pieces. Free kicks near the half way line we go short but with no real purpose or go long for Alfie May. GK goalkicks lofted to right wingers with no chance of winning a header. Helping out wide players to double up on attacking wide players. I could go on and on.....
The lack of effort is normally used but I am shocked out naive we are as a team to even do the basics to compete.
Once CBT is sold in Janaury do we go constantly more direct as he has been our only outlet since August in any build up play and only other attacking option apart from May.
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Read every post and agree with most of the comments. I feel my club is dying and I am worried where we will be in another decade.
Appleton has to go, I don't believe he deserves a window. He can't be trusted and I think the comments about 'not his players' are a bit of a coping mechanism. It would suggest that Carlisle, Burton, Cambridge and Leyton Orient all have similar strength squads to us when it can't be the case. I suggested that we had one of the worst defences in the league and unfortunately game after game I am proven right. I promise you this bloke couldn't manage a McDonalds shop floor. He has 0 personality and there's no proof that he is ready for a job like this.
Now is the time to get a manager in, give them the half of the season to build something for next year. He can't be trusted identifying players that's for certain and he can't coach players. He's essentially just a wage thief.
I'd let every player go who's contract expires in the summer, look to pay off those who we can, keep May and Jones and build all over again. They're the only two players I can see being up to it. Corey is a fantastic winger on his day but it's the right player at the wrong club, Dobson would also be welcome but I suspect he has other plans. The rest can do one.
Sack him tomorrow, get an interim, interview properly and plan. We will not get promoted under Appleton so the longer it goes on the more time we have wasted as a club.
I'll be going to Bristol but I don't want to. Just got it in my head now to finish the season.
To everyone that jeered them off the pitch, well done. It's long overdue and they deserve it. If we stay silent they will take the piss, they should feel ashamed. Unless you were there today, it really is hard to explain how bad it was.27 -
Braziliance said:Read every post and agree with most of the comments. I feel my club is dying and I am worried where we will be in another decade.
Appleton has to go, I don't believe he deserves a window. He can't be trusted and I think the comments about 'not his players' are a bit of a coping mechanism. It would suggest that Carlisle, Burton, Cambridge and Leyton Orient all have similar strength squads to us when it can't be the case. I suggested that we had one of the worst defences in the league and unfortunately game after game I am provem right. I promise you this bloke couldn't manage a McDonalds shop floor. He has 0 personality and there's no proof that he is ready for a job like this.
Now is the time to get a manager in, give them the half of the season to build something for next year. He can't be trusted identifying players that's for certain and he can't coach players. He's essentially just a wage thief.
I'd let every player go who's contract expires in the summer, look to pay off those who we can, keep May and Jones and build all over again. They're the only two players I can see being up to it. Corey is a fantastic winger on his day but it's the right player at the wrong club, Dobson would also be welcome but I suspect he has other plans. The rest can do one.
Sack him tomorrow, get an interim, interview properly and plan. We will not get promoted under Appleton so the longer it goes on the more time we have wasted as a club.
I'll be going to Bristol but I don't want to. Just got it in my head now to finish the season.
To everyone that jeered them off the pitch, well done. It's long overdue and they deserve it. If we stay silent they will take the piss, they should feel ashamed. Unless you were there today, it really is hard to explain how bad it was.2 -
I am rostered to work new years day so a a couple of months ago i put in for A/L even though it was going to cost me 17 hours money.
Tonight i am on duty again but i have now cancelled it and am now working. I was prepared to lose over £400 and a days A/L but not anymore to watch this crap.8 -
I didn't see us today, but what formation were we?
Is it a 4-3-3 or a 4-5-1 either way it leaves Alfie isolated when up top and when out wide. He's not a winger.0 -
This will all go really tits up once the serious investors realise they have been sold a pup and either a) replace the SMT who have duped them or b) cut their losses and sell up.7
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Complete Shite !!
players, manager and owners are all taking the piss, otherwise they are all completely incompetent!!!2 - Sponsored links:
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LargeAddick said:This will all go really tits up once the serious investors realise they have been sold a pup and either a) replace the SMT who have duped them or b) cut their losses and sell up.1
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DOUCHER said:YannTheMann said:Gribbo said:Our players and manager are always going to be mediocre as long as we're League 1. Players who are 100% in all areas of their game don't tend to play in League 1, they're usually with Chelsea or City in the Prem.
CBT, for example, getting pelters for not being able to finish a move every time; yeah that's right, because if he did have the finishing touch every time, he wouldn't be playing for Charlton.
Just think the idea is to give a mediocre manager time and support, to get the best out of a team of mediocre players, who each make up for eachother's short falls. The only alternative to that, imo, is to invest heavily, or do a Wrexham and become fashionable overnight.0 -
Chippycafc said:LargeAddick said:This will all go really tits up once the serious investors realise they have been sold a pup and either a) replace the SMT who have duped them or b) cut their losses and sell up.
Incoming!0 -
According to this thread (seems to be confirmed by multiple people) some of the players girlfriends were arguing with fans in the stand.
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I left on the whistle, at this stage just too depressed to be part of the rightful abuse/booing at this team, other then two Charlton games had a pleasant Christmas period, hopefully everyone else did too.
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1968CAFC said:Complete Shite !!
players, manager and owners are all taking the piss, otherwise they are all completely incompetent!!!9 -
swords_alive said:1968CAFC said:Complete Shite !!
players, manager and owners are all taking the piss, otherwise they are all completely incompetent!!!1 -
Braziliance said:Read every post and agree with most of the comments. I feel my club is dying and I am worried where we will be in another decade.
Appleton has to go, I don't believe he deserves a window. He can't be trusted and I think the comments about 'not his players' are a bit of a coping mechanism. It would suggest that Carlisle, Burton, Cambridge and Leyton Orient all have similar strength squads to us when it can't be the case. I suggested that we had one of the worst defences in the league and unfortunately game after game I am proven right. I promise you this bloke couldn't manage a McDonalds shop floor. He has 0 personality and there's no proof that he is ready for a job like this.
Now is the time to get a manager in, give them the half of the season to build something for next year. He can't be trusted identifying players that's for certain and he can't coach players. He's essentially just a wage thief.
I'd let every player go who's contract expires in the summer, look to pay off those who we can, keep May and Jones and build all over again. They're the only two players I can see being up to it. Corey is a fantastic winger on his day but it's the right player at the wrong club, Dobson would also be welcome but I suspect he has other plans. The rest can do one.
Sack him tomorrow, get an interim, interview properly and plan. We will not get promoted under Appleton so the longer it goes on the more time we have wasted as a club.
I'll be going to Bristol but I don't want to. Just got it in my head now to finish the season.
To everyone that jeered them off the pitch, well done. It's long overdue and they deserve it. If we stay silent they will take the piss, they should feel ashamed. Unless you were there today, it really is hard to explain how bad it was.
Managers need to be given time.1 -
LargeAddick said:This will all go really tits up once the serious investors realise they have been sold a pup and either a) replace the SMT who have duped them or b) cut their losses and sell up.0
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ElfsborgAddick said:Braziliance said:Read every post and agree with most of the comments. I feel my club is dying and I am worried where we will be in another decade.
Appleton has to go, I don't believe he deserves a window. He can't be trusted and I think the comments about 'not his players' are a bit of a coping mechanism. It would suggest that Carlisle, Burton, Cambridge and Leyton Orient all have similar strength squads to us when it can't be the case. I suggested that we had one of the worst defences in the league and unfortunately game after game I am proven right. I promise you this bloke couldn't manage a McDonalds shop floor. He has 0 personality and there's no proof that he is ready for a job like this.
Now is the time to get a manager in, give them the half of the season to build something for next year. He can't be trusted identifying players that's for certain and he can't coach players. He's essentially just a wage thief.
I'd let every player go who's contract expires in the summer, look to pay off those who we can, keep May and Jones and build all over again. They're the only two players I can see being up to it. Corey is a fantastic winger on his day but it's the right player at the wrong club, Dobson would also be welcome but I suspect he has other plans. The rest can do one.
Sack him tomorrow, get an interim, interview properly and plan. We will not get promoted under Appleton so the longer it goes on the more time we have wasted as a club.
I'll be going to Bristol but I don't want to. Just got it in my head now to finish the season.
To everyone that jeered them off the pitch, well done. It's long overdue and they deserve it. If we stay silent they will take the piss, they should feel ashamed. Unless you were there today, it really is hard to explain how bad it was.
Managers need to be given time.7 -
Valley11 said:ElfsborgAddick said:Braziliance said:Read every post and agree with most of the comments. I feel my club is dying and I am worried where we will be in another decade.
Appleton has to go, I don't believe he deserves a window. He can't be trusted and I think the comments about 'not his players' are a bit of a coping mechanism. It would suggest that Carlisle, Burton, Cambridge and Leyton Orient all have similar strength squads to us when it can't be the case. I suggested that we had one of the worst defences in the league and unfortunately game after game I am proven right. I promise you this bloke couldn't manage a McDonalds shop floor. He has 0 personality and there's no proof that he is ready for a job like this.
Now is the time to get a manager in, give them the half of the season to build something for next year. He can't be trusted identifying players that's for certain and he can't coach players. He's essentially just a wage thief.
I'd let every player go who's contract expires in the summer, look to pay off those who we can, keep May and Jones and build all over again. They're the only two players I can see being up to it. Corey is a fantastic winger on his day but it's the right player at the wrong club, Dobson would also be welcome but I suspect he has other plans. The rest can do one.
Sack him tomorrow, get an interim, interview properly and plan. We will not get promoted under Appleton so the longer it goes on the more time we have wasted as a club.
I'll be going to Bristol but I don't want to. Just got it in my head now to finish the season.
To everyone that jeered them off the pitch, well done. It's long overdue and they deserve it. If we stay silent they will take the piss, they should feel ashamed. Unless you were there today, it really is hard to explain how bad it was.
Managers need to be given time.0 -
YannTheMann said:DOUCHER said:YannTheMann said:Gribbo said:Our players and manager are always going to be mediocre as long as we're League 1. Players who are 100% in all areas of their game don't tend to play in League 1, they're usually with Chelsea or City in the Prem.
CBT, for example, getting pelters for not being able to finish a move every time; yeah that's right, because if he did have the finishing touch every time, he wouldn't be playing for Charlton.
Just think the idea is to give a mediocre manager time and support, to get the best out of a team of mediocre players, who each make up for eachother's short falls. The only alternative to that, imo, is to invest heavily, or do a Wrexham and become fashionable overnight.0 -
Off_it said:swords_alive said:1968CAFC said:Complete Shite !!
players, manager and owners are all taking the piss, otherwise they are all completely incompetent!!!2 -
We are steadily going backwards.Our shape and organisation is simply awful.An inept performance and just as much blames lies with he who organises this collection of players in training.We simply arent a team.I stopped watching us shortly after the kick off times went to 2am after the clocks changed. My Mrs could not believe I'd given up after all these years of doing it. Last night was a midnight ko off so despite being depressed at watching the replay of the Button game, I stayed up. I wish I hadn't bothered because this set of players simply can't be bothered either.I've said it before, training at Charlton resembles a bloody holiday camp, they turn up run around, have a laugh, go home, collect £1000's and by Saturday they have forgotten anything they may or may not have been told about tactics, some even how to make a simple pass.90% are not fit to wear the shirt.
The management arent fit to run the club.
We are overloaded with non playing Personnel... non football management, technical directors, various coaches, fitness, medical... they are all failing abysmally.If drastic action isnt taken soon, this will end in a bigger disaster than even we can imagine.Rotten to the core.4 -
Do we have better players than the likes of Cheltenham, Gillingham, Carlisle, Burton and Orient, that we've failed to beat?
I don't know, but I'm much more confident in declaring that our players are much better paid than those from those other clubs.
We've become the failing club that Charlton used to love beating back in the 90s and PL era.0 -
killerandflash said:Do we have better players than the likes of Cheltenham, Gillingham, Carlisle, Burton and Orient, that we've failed to beat?
I don't know, but I'm much more confident in declaring that our players are much better paid than those from those other clubs.
We've become the failing club that Charlton used to love beating back in the 90s and PL era.1 -
First away game for the whole family , ha ha you cnuts I told you I didn’t want to go .
Hate us with a passion , we’re a genuine minge of a beige club .
Saw headphones Norm and pointed out to the kids what a legend he was .
The mighty O’s had 1 win in their previous 9
1-0 on your big day out , fucking Orient taking the piss out of us , joke of a club we are now .
these owners are fucking stupid , trying to do this shit on the cheap with the hangers on crew ,ridiculous
from the off when they chose the cheaper assistant for Appleton rather than David Kerslake who interviewed and didn’t get the gig told me all I needed to know , they want to cut corners and hope it works out , well it doesn’t and hasn’t you cnuts .
Sat in row 4 and I’m usually quite a few further back , could feel how physical the game was and Orient had that bit more edge to them .. I’d say everyone gave it a lot (physically, most have fuck all ability) apart from Chem Campbell who was a bit pussio (©️oohaah ) with his performance .
Being that close to the players when our fans are singing ‘duh duh duh duh fucking useless’ felt painful and I hate these players more than most , Hector tried to gee T Watson up when he got some .I only boooed Appleton at the end and fair play to the players clapping the fans and fronting it up , whatever they do they’re gonna get shit at the end after all these crap performances(yeah but we beat Cheltenham 2-1 fuck off)
another evening where the Cadbury’s was hit hard hence another middle of the night slop out and an hour reading Charlton Life on the khazi
my 13 year old asked if we’d ever get to the Prem in our lifetimes , I said not in mine and maybe in yours , can;t believe I lied to him . this club has nothing going for it currently and we need a miracle to stop this sinking ship going under more .
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Agree with the comments above and echo thoughts @Fanny Fanackapan and @Braziliance.
I want to add a comment or two about our talented academy products. I remember being really impressed with Anderson, Assimwe, T Campbell and Kanu in those opening games of the season under Holden. I think Kanu was joint top scorer (with two) for a while before being sent out on loan.
It is one thing for our club to be dire against poor opposition but another scale of incompetence to ruin the future of the club. These young players are having their confidence shattered. MBick put on wing and then dropped and now Kanu being sacrificed in some childish dispute between coach and that idiot Scott. Anyone know what Scott's salary is by the way?
Hats off to Kanu who kept going while playing out of position with no encouragement or support from the coach or the senior pros.
There was one moment when Kanu was battling away on the edge of the Orient box and got dragged over and won a free kick (the one from which May drove it wide, I think). Not one Charlton player helped him up or gave him a pat on the back or a had a quick word, Nothing at all from this spineless shower to encourage a young academy player giving it his all. That really stinks.
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DOUCHER said:YannTheMann said:Gribbo said:Our players and manager are always going to be mediocre as long as we're League 1. Players who are 100% in all areas of their game don't tend to play in League 1, they're usually with Chelsea or City in the Prem.
CBT, for example, getting pelters for not being able to finish a move every time; yeah that's right, because if he did have the finishing touch every time, he wouldn't be playing for Charlton.
Just think the idea is to give a mediocre manager time and support, to get the best out of a team of mediocre players, who each make up for eachother's short falls. The only alternative to that, imo, is to invest heavily, or do a Wrexham and become fashionable overnight.
As someone who wasn't really following the club so closely during the Roland years, I beg the question; on the pitch, was it really that bad when you look back at it objectively? I know people invested a lot of time and emotion in the CARD stuff, so it might be hard to admit. However, our slide as a club seems to have a force beyond Roland and since he's left, it's worsened. He seemed to have us top of League 1/championship strugglers. Who wouldn't accept that right now?
I just wonder if what we are witnessing is the inevitable outcome of bad timing, premier League TV money allocation and escalating parachute payments since we were relegated from the prem. Even a new billionaire wouldn't be able to buy success as we don't have the revenue to satisfy the financial rules. In short, we've missed the boat and should probably accept it.2