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POST MATCH THREAD : Leyton Orient Vs Charlton Athletic : Tuesday Boxing Day 2023 : KO 13:00
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Well, he can't say he isn't aware of what our fans are saying about him, regardless of whether it's only a "small percentage".Airman Brown said:
Wonder if he thinks the people who booed him off today were also a very, very small percentage?Oakster2 said:
Actually Appleton has history when it comes to Message Boards, Social Media & fan's opinionsgolfaddick said:
If anyone wants to spend hours searching the threads I categorically stated back in the summer that we need to replace JRS as he almost single handedly kept us up last season (without his goals we would certainly have been in the bottom 4) and that we have no one wide right.SporadicAddick said:
Because having a succession of loanees in critical positions has left us in such a strong position…Valiantphil said:
We have Hector, CBT and May that fit your description - but if you don’t want another Gallagher, Rak Saki, Beilik, Cullen or Maatsen then fair enough.SporadicAddick said:
No we don’t, we need top level League One / Championship level signings. We won’t get them, but that’s what we need.Valiantphil said:We need some Prem quality loanees (not Tedic).
6 months on & we have tried......
Campbell T
Campbell C
Leaburn
May
Tedic
Kanu
at right wing. All to no avail.
For the love of God will someone please listen when fans speak.
“What I tend to find at certain clubs I’ve worked for is that there’s almost an obsession with social media and fans’ forums within the hierarchy. You’re talking about these people on social media and fans’ forums and they’re a very, very small percentage of the actual fanbase but their voice seems to be bigger than what yours is.”
https://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/sport/football/blackpool-fc/michael-appleton-opens-up-on-blackpools-struggles-manager-pressure-and-impact-of-social-media-4097188
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Right who's going to Bristol Ha2
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Gribbo said:Our players and manager are always going to be mediocre as long as we're League 1. Players who are 100% in all areas of their game don't tend to play in League 1, they're usually with Chelsea or City in the Prem.
CBT, for example, getting pelters for not being able to finish a move every time; yeah that's right, because if he did have the finishing touch every time, he wouldn't be playing for Charlton.
Just think the idea is to give a mediocre manager time and support, to get the best out of a team of mediocre players, who each make up for eachother's short falls. The only alternative to that, imo, is to invest heavily, or do a Wrexham and become
look at parky when we had David Mooney, Miguel Llera and Christian Daily
They wasn’t the best players on the planet but at least they had some bottle and got us to a play off semi final
the squad we have on paper is technically better then that squad. This team doesn’t have the backbone, the fight, the Tuesday night at Yeovil in the pissing rain kind of appeal.
total soft touch, every team knows they only have to pump balls forward in the last 10 minutes and it’s guaranteed points.
we need a manager who’s got the grit by his teeth and gives them all huge kick up the arse.
Apples can sod off.
Everyone else can see what’s wrong
teams used to hate coming to The Valley, it was intimidating, we were hard to beat.
now it’s a just a circus, our whole club is, has been for years.
no sweet quick miracle in January is gonna fix that I’m afraid8 -
Managing the game/doing the basics that exist in all levels of football, We are so poor at. Is that due to lack of determination, lack of footballing brain or lack of experience. But the basics like simple throw in to enable players to give you the ball back make it difficult for players to control ,corners we never seem set up right defensively or a threat at all for attacking set pieces. Free kicks near the half way line we go short but with no real purpose or go long for Alfie May. GK goalkicks lofted to right wingers with no chance of winning a header. Helping out wide players to double up on attacking wide players. I could go on and on.....
The lack of effort is normally used but I am shocked out naive we are as a team to even do the basics to compete.
Once CBT is sold in Janaury do we go constantly more direct as he has been our only outlet since August in any build up play and only other attacking option apart from May.
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Read every post and agree with most of the comments. I feel my club is dying and I am worried where we will be in another decade.
Appleton has to go, I don't believe he deserves a window. He can't be trusted and I think the comments about 'not his players' are a bit of a coping mechanism. It would suggest that Carlisle, Burton, Cambridge and Leyton Orient all have similar strength squads to us when it can't be the case. I suggested that we had one of the worst defences in the league and unfortunately game after game I am proven right. I promise you this bloke couldn't manage a McDonalds shop floor. He has 0 personality and there's no proof that he is ready for a job like this.
Now is the time to get a manager in, give them the half of the season to build something for next year. He can't be trusted identifying players that's for certain and he can't coach players. He's essentially just a wage thief.
I'd let every player go who's contract expires in the summer, look to pay off those who we can, keep May and Jones and build all over again. They're the only two players I can see being up to it. Corey is a fantastic winger on his day but it's the right player at the wrong club, Dobson would also be welcome but I suspect he has other plans. The rest can do one.
Sack him tomorrow, get an interim, interview properly and plan. We will not get promoted under Appleton so the longer it goes on the more time we have wasted as a club.
I'll be going to Bristol but I don't want to. Just got it in my head now to finish the season.
To everyone that jeered them off the pitch, well done. It's long overdue and they deserve it. If we stay silent they will take the piss, they should feel ashamed. Unless you were there today, it really is hard to explain how bad it was.27 -
👆🏼👆🏼👆🏼👆🏼👆🏼👆🏼Braziliance said:Read every post and agree with most of the comments. I feel my club is dying and I am worried where we will be in another decade.
Appleton has to go, I don't believe he deserves a window. He can't be trusted and I think the comments about 'not his players' are a bit of a coping mechanism. It would suggest that Carlisle, Burton, Cambridge and Leyton Orient all have similar strength squads to us when it can't be the case. I suggested that we had one of the worst defences in the league and unfortunately game after game I am provem right. I promise you this bloke couldn't manage a McDonalds shop floor. He has 0 personality and there's no proof that he is ready for a job like this.
Now is the time to get a manager in, give them the half of the season to build something for next year. He can't be trusted identifying players that's for certain and he can't coach players. He's essentially just a wage thief.
I'd let every player go who's contract expires in the summer, look to pay off those who we can, keep May and Jones and build all over again. They're the only two players I can see being up to it. Corey is a fantastic winger on his day but it's the right player at the wrong club, Dobson would also be welcome but I suspect he has other plans. The rest can do one.
Sack him tomorrow, get an interim, interview properly and plan. We will not get promoted under Appleton so the longer it goes on the more time we have wasted as a club.
I'll be going to Bristol but I don't want to. Just got it in my head now to finish the season.
To everyone that jeered them off the pitch, well done. It's long overdue and they deserve it. If we stay silent they will take the piss, they should feel ashamed. Unless you were there today, it really is hard to explain how bad it was.2 -
I am rostered to work new years day so a a couple of months ago i put in for A/L even though it was going to cost me 17 hours money.
Tonight i am on duty again but i have now cancelled it and am now working. I was prepared to lose over £400 and a days A/L but not anymore to watch this crap.8 -
I didn't see us today, but what formation were we?
Is it a 4-3-3 or a 4-5-1 either way it leaves Alfie isolated when up top and when out wide. He's not a winger.0 -
This will all go really tits up once the serious investors realise they have been sold a pup and either a) replace the SMT who have duped them or b) cut their losses and sell up.7
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Complete Shite !!
players, manager and owners are all taking the piss, otherwise they are all completely incompetent!!!2 - Sponsored links:
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I have been told by a reliable source within the club that only 2 investors have serious money and interest. The rest are just looking to cut costs.LargeAddick said:This will all go really tits up once the serious investors realise they have been sold a pup and either a) replace the SMT who have duped them or b) cut their losses and sell up.1 -
Shake ya magic wand and make it happen then shagger, or are we dealing with the shite hand of cards we've got? The good side won't just happen tomorrow and some of the bollocks that is being spouted is close to unbearable, what game changing formation would you play and if you say 4-4-2 with our very one dimensional centre miss then you're proposing a losing formulaDOUCHER said:
or there's the third option which is what powell and bowyer did - put a good side together with good players in a sensible formation that suits themYannTheMann said:
The most sensible analysis in this threadGribbo said:Our players and manager are always going to be mediocre as long as we're League 1. Players who are 100% in all areas of their game don't tend to play in League 1, they're usually with Chelsea or City in the Prem.
CBT, for example, getting pelters for not being able to finish a move every time; yeah that's right, because if he did have the finishing touch every time, he wouldn't be playing for Charlton.
Just think the idea is to give a mediocre manager time and support, to get the best out of a team of mediocre players, who each make up for eachother's short falls. The only alternative to that, imo, is to invest heavily, or do a Wrexham and become fashionable overnight.0 -
Just as yer nuts stop swinging eh?Chippycafc said:
I have been told by a reliable source within the club that only 2 investors have serious money and interest. The rest are just looking to cut costs.LargeAddick said:This will all go really tits up once the serious investors realise they have been sold a pup and either a) replace the SMT who have duped them or b) cut their losses and sell up.
Incoming!0 -
According to this thread (seems to be confirmed by multiple people) some of the players girlfriends were arguing with fans in the stand.
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I left on the whistle, at this stage just too depressed to be part of the rightful abuse/booing at this team, other then two Charlton games had a pleasant Christmas period, hopefully everyone else did too.
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I think it's deeper and terminal. We have not replaced good charlton people like Roy King, Chris Parkes, Peter Varney, Rick Everitt and others with similarly minded, hard working and influential people, I.e. Charlton people inside the club. These provided the cultural framework in which the ethos of the club was grounded, grew and flourished in a previous era. It defined the Charlton that a significant portion of the fan base could relate to and against which Curbs could go and recruit squad players with the right work ethic, and lennie Lawrence before him and Chris Powell after him. I have no insider knowledge and hope I'm wrong but feel these missing personalities are part of the issue. Times have changed, slowly and quietly, like when you have a frog in a pan of water and turn the gas up gradually. The frog doesn't die straight away but it might eventually if it can't escape. Charlton as we knew it has changed now. We are a boiled frog and our era has passed.1968CAFC said:Complete Shite !!
players, manager and owners are all taking the piss, otherwise they are all completely incompetent!!!9 -
Roy King?!swords_alive said:
I think it's deeper and terminal. We have not replaced good charlton people like Roy King, Chris Parkes, Peter Varney, Rick Everitt and others with similarly minded, hard working and influential people, I.e. Charlton people inside the club. These provided the cultural framework in which the ethos of the club was grounded, grew and flourished in a previous era. It defined the Charlton that a significant portion of the fan base could relate to and against which Curbs could go and recruit squad players with the right work ethic, and lennie Lawrence before him and Chris Powell after him. I have no insider knowledge and hope I'm wrong but feel these missing personalities are part of the issue. Times have changed, slowly and quietly, like when you have a frog in a pan of water and turn the gas up gradually. The frog doesn't die straight away but it might eventually if it can't escape. Charlton as we knew it has changed now. We are a boiled frog and our era has passed.1968CAFC said:Complete Shite !!
players, manager and owners are all taking the piss, otherwise they are all completely incompetent!!!1 -
Alternatively, the players who do not want to be here can f*** off, then freeing space up for Appleton to bring his players.Braziliance said:Read every post and agree with most of the comments. I feel my club is dying and I am worried where we will be in another decade.
Appleton has to go, I don't believe he deserves a window. He can't be trusted and I think the comments about 'not his players' are a bit of a coping mechanism. It would suggest that Carlisle, Burton, Cambridge and Leyton Orient all have similar strength squads to us when it can't be the case. I suggested that we had one of the worst defences in the league and unfortunately game after game I am proven right. I promise you this bloke couldn't manage a McDonalds shop floor. He has 0 personality and there's no proof that he is ready for a job like this.
Now is the time to get a manager in, give them the half of the season to build something for next year. He can't be trusted identifying players that's for certain and he can't coach players. He's essentially just a wage thief.
I'd let every player go who's contract expires in the summer, look to pay off those who we can, keep May and Jones and build all over again. They're the only two players I can see being up to it. Corey is a fantastic winger on his day but it's the right player at the wrong club, Dobson would also be welcome but I suspect he has other plans. The rest can do one.
Sack him tomorrow, get an interim, interview properly and plan. We will not get promoted under Appleton so the longer it goes on the more time we have wasted as a club.
I'll be going to Bristol but I don't want to. Just got it in my head now to finish the season.
To everyone that jeered them off the pitch, well done. It's long overdue and they deserve it. If we stay silent they will take the piss, they should feel ashamed. Unless you were there today, it really is hard to explain how bad it was.
Managers need to be given time.1 -
Make you right.LargeAddick said:This will all go really tits up once the serious investors realise they have been sold a pup and either a) replace the SMT who have duped them or b) cut their losses and sell up.0 - Sponsored links:
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Agree. But he was the wrong choice from the start. Weird weird appointmentElfsborgAddick said:
Alternatively, the players who do not want to be here can f*** off, then freeing space up for Appleton to bring his players.Braziliance said:Read every post and agree with most of the comments. I feel my club is dying and I am worried where we will be in another decade.
Appleton has to go, I don't believe he deserves a window. He can't be trusted and I think the comments about 'not his players' are a bit of a coping mechanism. It would suggest that Carlisle, Burton, Cambridge and Leyton Orient all have similar strength squads to us when it can't be the case. I suggested that we had one of the worst defences in the league and unfortunately game after game I am proven right. I promise you this bloke couldn't manage a McDonalds shop floor. He has 0 personality and there's no proof that he is ready for a job like this.
Now is the time to get a manager in, give them the half of the season to build something for next year. He can't be trusted identifying players that's for certain and he can't coach players. He's essentially just a wage thief.
I'd let every player go who's contract expires in the summer, look to pay off those who we can, keep May and Jones and build all over again. They're the only two players I can see being up to it. Corey is a fantastic winger on his day but it's the right player at the wrong club, Dobson would also be welcome but I suspect he has other plans. The rest can do one.
Sack him tomorrow, get an interim, interview properly and plan. We will not get promoted under Appleton so the longer it goes on the more time we have wasted as a club.
I'll be going to Bristol but I don't want to. Just got it in my head now to finish the season.
To everyone that jeered them off the pitch, well done. It's long overdue and they deserve it. If we stay silent they will take the piss, they should feel ashamed. Unless you were there today, it really is hard to explain how bad it was.
Managers need to be given time.7 -
Although it could be said that under this ownership anybody half decent will run a mile.Valley11 said:
Agree. But he was the wrong choice from the start. Weird weird appointmentElfsborgAddick said:
Alternatively, the players who do not want to be here can f*** off, then freeing space up for Appleton to bring his players.Braziliance said:Read every post and agree with most of the comments. I feel my club is dying and I am worried where we will be in another decade.
Appleton has to go, I don't believe he deserves a window. He can't be trusted and I think the comments about 'not his players' are a bit of a coping mechanism. It would suggest that Carlisle, Burton, Cambridge and Leyton Orient all have similar strength squads to us when it can't be the case. I suggested that we had one of the worst defences in the league and unfortunately game after game I am proven right. I promise you this bloke couldn't manage a McDonalds shop floor. He has 0 personality and there's no proof that he is ready for a job like this.
Now is the time to get a manager in, give them the half of the season to build something for next year. He can't be trusted identifying players that's for certain and he can't coach players. He's essentially just a wage thief.
I'd let every player go who's contract expires in the summer, look to pay off those who we can, keep May and Jones and build all over again. They're the only two players I can see being up to it. Corey is a fantastic winger on his day but it's the right player at the wrong club, Dobson would also be welcome but I suspect he has other plans. The rest can do one.
Sack him tomorrow, get an interim, interview properly and plan. We will not get promoted under Appleton so the longer it goes on the more time we have wasted as a club.
I'll be going to Bristol but I don't want to. Just got it in my head now to finish the season.
To everyone that jeered them off the pitch, well done. It's long overdue and they deserve it. If we stay silent they will take the piss, they should feel ashamed. Unless you were there today, it really is hard to explain how bad it was.
Managers need to be given time.0 -
3 5 2 and believe it or not i don't own the club or manage it silly bolloxYannTheMann said:
Shake ya magic wand and make it happen then shagger, or are we dealing with the shite hand of cards we've got? The good side won't just happen tomorrow and some of the bollocks that is being spouted is close to unbearable, what game changing formation would you play and if you say 4-4-2 with our very one dimensional centre miss then you're proposing a losing formulaDOUCHER said:
or there's the third option which is what powell and bowyer did - put a good side together with good players in a sensible formation that suits themYannTheMann said:
The most sensible analysis in this threadGribbo said:Our players and manager are always going to be mediocre as long as we're League 1. Players who are 100% in all areas of their game don't tend to play in League 1, they're usually with Chelsea or City in the Prem.
CBT, for example, getting pelters for not being able to finish a move every time; yeah that's right, because if he did have the finishing touch every time, he wouldn't be playing for Charlton.
Just think the idea is to give a mediocre manager time and support, to get the best out of a team of mediocre players, who each make up for eachother's short falls. The only alternative to that, imo, is to invest heavily, or do a Wrexham and become fashionable overnight.0 -
stadium manager from about 30 years ago - not sure his absence is quite as critical to our current demise as having a shit manager and a bunch of largely shit playersOff_it said:
Roy King?!swords_alive said:
I think it's deeper and terminal. We have not replaced good charlton people like Roy King, Chris Parkes, Peter Varney, Rick Everitt and others with similarly minded, hard working and influential people, I.e. Charlton people inside the club. These provided the cultural framework in which the ethos of the club was grounded, grew and flourished in a previous era. It defined the Charlton that a significant portion of the fan base could relate to and against which Curbs could go and recruit squad players with the right work ethic, and lennie Lawrence before him and Chris Powell after him. I have no insider knowledge and hope I'm wrong but feel these missing personalities are part of the issue. Times have changed, slowly and quietly, like when you have a frog in a pan of water and turn the gas up gradually. The frog doesn't die straight away but it might eventually if it can't escape. Charlton as we knew it has changed now. We are a boiled frog and our era has passed.1968CAFC said:Complete Shite !!
players, manager and owners are all taking the piss, otherwise they are all completely incompetent!!!2 -
We are steadily going backwards.Our shape and organisation is simply awful.An inept performance and just as much blames lies with he who organises this collection of players in training.We simply arent a team.I stopped watching us shortly after the kick off times went to 2am after the clocks changed. My Mrs could not believe I'd given up after all these years of doing it. Last night was a midnight ko off so despite being depressed at watching the replay of the Button game, I stayed up. I wish I hadn't bothered because this set of players simply can't be bothered either.I've said it before, training at Charlton resembles a bloody holiday camp, they turn up run around, have a laugh, go home, collect £1000's and by Saturday they have forgotten anything they may or may not have been told about tactics, some even how to make a simple pass.90% are not fit to wear the shirt.
The management arent fit to run the club.
We are overloaded with non playing Personnel... non football management, technical directors, various coaches, fitness, medical... they are all failing abysmally.If drastic action isnt taken soon, this will end in a bigger disaster than even we can imagine.Rotten to the core.4 -
Do we have better players than the likes of Cheltenham, Gillingham, Carlisle, Burton and Orient, that we've failed to beat?
I don't know, but I'm much more confident in declaring that our players are much better paid than those from those other clubs.
We've become the failing club that Charlton used to love beating back in the 90s and PL era.0 -
Add Cray Valley PM.killerandflash said:Do we have better players than the likes of Cheltenham, Gillingham, Carlisle, Burton and Orient, that we've failed to beat?
I don't know, but I'm much more confident in declaring that our players are much better paid than those from those other clubs.
We've become the failing club that Charlton used to love beating back in the 90s and PL era.1 -
First away game for the whole family , ha ha you cnuts I told you I didn’t want to go .
Hate us with a passion , we’re a genuine minge of a beige club .
Saw headphones Norm and pointed out to the kids what a legend he was .
The mighty O’s had 1 win in their previous 9
1-0 on your big day out , fucking Orient taking the piss out of us , joke of a club we are now .
these owners are fucking stupid , trying to do this shit on the cheap with the hangers on crew ,ridiculous
from the off when they chose the cheaper assistant for Appleton rather than David Kerslake who interviewed and didn’t get the gig told me all I needed to know , they want to cut corners and hope it works out , well it doesn’t and hasn’t you cnuts .
Sat in row 4 and I’m usually quite a few further back , could feel how physical the game was and Orient had that bit more edge to them .. I’d say everyone gave it a lot (physically, most have fuck all ability) apart from Chem Campbell who was a bit pussio (©️oohaah ) with his performance .
Being that close to the players when our fans are singing ‘duh duh duh duh fucking useless’ felt painful and I hate these players more than most , Hector tried to gee T Watson up when he got some .I only boooed Appleton at the end and fair play to the players clapping the fans and fronting it up , whatever they do they’re gonna get shit at the end after all these crap performances(yeah but we beat Cheltenham 2-1 fuck off)
another evening where the Cadbury’s was hit hard hence another middle of the night slop out and an hour reading Charlton Life on the khazi
my 13 year old asked if we’d ever get to the Prem in our lifetimes , I said not in mine and maybe in yours , can;t believe I lied to him . this club has nothing going for it currently and we need a miracle to stop this sinking ship going under more .
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Agree with the comments above and echo thoughts @Fanny Fanackapan and @Braziliance.
I want to add a comment or two about our talented academy products. I remember being really impressed with Anderson, Assimwe, T Campbell and Kanu in those opening games of the season under Holden. I think Kanu was joint top scorer (with two) for a while before being sent out on loan.
It is one thing for our club to be dire against poor opposition but another scale of incompetence to ruin the future of the club. These young players are having their confidence shattered. MBick put on wing and then dropped and now Kanu being sacrificed in some childish dispute between coach and that idiot Scott. Anyone know what Scott's salary is by the way?
Hats off to Kanu who kept going while playing out of position with no encouragement or support from the coach or the senior pros.
There was one moment when Kanu was battling away on the edge of the Orient box and got dragged over and won a free kick (the one from which May drove it wide, I think). Not one Charlton player helped him up or gave him a pat on the back or a had a quick word, Nothing at all from this spineless shower to encourage a young academy player giving it his all. That really stinks.
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Somehow they were facilitated in that. Billionaire owners don't come round too often.DOUCHER said:
or there's the third option which is what powell and bowyer did - put a good side together with good players in a sensible formation that suits themYannTheMann said:
The most sensible analysis in this threadGribbo said:Our players and manager are always going to be mediocre as long as we're League 1. Players who are 100% in all areas of their game don't tend to play in League 1, they're usually with Chelsea or City in the Prem.
CBT, for example, getting pelters for not being able to finish a move every time; yeah that's right, because if he did have the finishing touch every time, he wouldn't be playing for Charlton.
Just think the idea is to give a mediocre manager time and support, to get the best out of a team of mediocre players, who each make up for eachother's short falls. The only alternative to that, imo, is to invest heavily, or do a Wrexham and become fashionable overnight.
As someone who wasn't really following the club so closely during the Roland years, I beg the question; on the pitch, was it really that bad when you look back at it objectively? I know people invested a lot of time and emotion in the CARD stuff, so it might be hard to admit. However, our slide as a club seems to have a force beyond Roland and since he's left, it's worsened. He seemed to have us top of League 1/championship strugglers. Who wouldn't accept that right now?
I just wonder if what we are witnessing is the inevitable outcome of bad timing, premier League TV money allocation and escalating parachute payments since we were relegated from the prem. Even a new billionaire wouldn't be able to buy success as we don't have the revenue to satisfy the financial rules. In short, we've missed the boat and should probably accept it.2
