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Holden sacked?! (Ed. Yes - Confirmed)

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  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,952
    timken said:
    Really disagree with the "He’s a master at PR" comment he is a thoroughly decent human being and I wish he was still here.
    They aren't mutually exclusive.
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 4,284
    edited January 2024
    I liked Holden, but let’s just say we sacked Appleton and appointed a new manager with a record similar to Holden’s record, would people be happy with that? Absolutely not 

    He deserved more time, but he isn’t at the level required. Scott has appointed 2 managers that aren’t good enough 
  • BigRedEvil
    BigRedEvil Posts: 11,071
    Nice bloke, could argue he deserved a few games more to turn things around but no one was really gutted when he went 
  • J BLOCK
    J BLOCK Posts: 8,310
    I think a lot of you forget the football played under him. No identity, no understanding of his first 11, truly awful and it was only going one way. 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,846
    Something definitely went wrong over the summer, and it wasn't just down to the late recruitment. Fitness wasn't good enough for a start.
  • CH4RLTON
    CH4RLTON Posts: 2,618
    Were are reminding me of Oxford last season when they went a massive winless run despite not looking that bad and nearly went down, the problem is if we can sucked into a dog fight there are teams down there with a lot more fight than us 
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,728
    edited January 2024
    J BLOCK said:
    I think a lot of you forget the football played under him. No identity, no understanding of his first 11, truly awful and it was only going one way. 
    You're 100% right, but you could copy and paste this paragraph for Appleton
  • SDAddick
    SDAddick Posts: 14,467
    J BLOCK said:
    I think a lot of you forget the football played under him. No identity, no understanding of his first 11, truly awful and it was only going one way. 
    This. Appleton can be a bad manager and we can still have been right to sack Holden. He was out of his depth tactically. Nice guy or good at clichés, delete as appropriate, but not ready to manage at this level. 
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,883
    Holden wasn't good enough, crappleton is awful

    i would rather have Mike Bassett 
  • cfgs
    cfgs Posts: 11,476
    Todds_right_hook said:
    Holden wasn't good enough, crappleton is awful

    i would rather have Mike Bassett 
    We no longer have the players for his favoured formation though.
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  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    Milan said:
    The key issue we have is a shit squad, does anyone really think that there's a manager out there that could lead this team to promotion?
    No. I want a manager who will have this squad finishing comfortably in mid table, and can challenge for promotion next season.
  • Mendonca In Asdas
    Mendonca In Asdas Posts: 22,650
    edited January 2024
    Todds_right_hook said:
    Holden wasn't good enough, crappleton is awful

    i would rather have Mike Bassett 
    I’d rather his brother, Bertie.


  • stackitsteve
    stackitsteve Posts: 12,102
    Dean Holden off to Saudi to be Gerrards assistant 
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    stackitsteve Posts: 12,102
  • Swisdom
    Swisdom Posts: 14,977
    whilst im delighted for Holden….i can’t see this working.
    the fact is - Gerrard just isn’t any good and I’m not convinced Holden is strong enough to go against him.  Gerrard doesn’t need a yes man - he needs someone to tell him what to do 
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,883
    If Holden has a new job, does that mean we don't have to pay him anymore and can now afford to sack Appleton 🙏🏻 
  • mendonca
    mendonca Posts: 9,405
    Swisdom said:
    whilst im delighted for Holden….i can’t see this working.
    the fact is - Gerrard just isn’t any good and I’m not convinced Holden is strong enough to go against him.  Gerrard doesn’t need a yes man - he needs someone to tell him what to do 
    You're assuming it's a real league!
  • stoneroses19
    stoneroses19 Posts: 7,220
    Certainly didn’t see that move coming.

    Do we ever get mentioned as a former club for a player or manager, feels like journalists do their best not to mention us. 
  • cabbles
    cabbles Posts: 15,255
    His move there highlights how poor a decision it was to give him the job at ours in the first place.  Bizarrely, I still see tweets referencing he and Garner should’ve been given a chance.  A nice bloke but not cut out for a job at a club like ours 
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,038
    stackitsteve said:
    Holden has hit the jackpot now.
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  • L0rd_M0ntagu3
    L0rd_M0ntagu3 Posts: 329
    cabbles said:
    His move there highlights how poor a decision it was to give him the job at ours in the first place.  Bizarrely, I still see tweets referencing he and Garner should’ve been given a chance.  A nice bloke but not cut out for a job at a club like ours 
    Agree. A really lovely guy, but should never have been given the keys to managing a club of our size. Hope it works out for him, especially after he was linked (or linked himself to) every managerial job going this season. 
  • Rufus is a dogs name
    Rufus is a dogs name Posts: 1,517
    Totally agree that he wasn't up to the job as a manager, and that the football and tactical approach under him was poor...  I think that the 'nice guy' comments that are thrown around flippantly have more importance than is given credit for.

    For a club like ours, with our history, fanbase, community etc, being the 'right' personality goes a long way to making us as a team and a club perform. Regardless of how good the manager is tactically, if they make attempts to galvanise the supporters, have the right approach to communication etc etc - it makes a difference.

    Whilst he wasn't ultimately good enough, the impact of Holden's lack of managerial ability was lessened slightly by his positive personality and management style, with Appleton it's the opposite. 

    Often see comments like 'I wouldn't mind if the manger is a total dickhead with the personality of a shrivelled mushroom, if they are winning games etc etc' - but in reality this rarely happens in football...

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