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Who will be the new Charlton coach? - p103. Nathan Jones confirmed
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AMB must be the only youngster who hasn't been 'rested' through our dismal run and the team haven't kept a clean sheet in a long time. I don't think many of the goals we've let in have been his 'fault' and he's kept us in games on a number of occasions with his shot stopping yet the clean sheet stat does reflect on whoever is the keeper and must be affecting his confidence and perhaps his leadership in the box during games......... but he's stuck at it and deserves some credit for that.ForeverAddickted said:
There was one effort that stands out against Derby, where he came for a cross... Had absolutely no one around him and punched it clearalburyaddick said:I am a bit mystified by the whole drop AMB stuff. Apart from the cock up at Blackpool which he got away with and the dodgy punch against Derby, I cant think of any glaring errors and he was absolutely fantastic at Port Vale - who had 34 !!! shots on goal.
When I've seen Isted , he actually looks awful to me ? - he seemed to let everything in !
You could see Thomas turn to him even then, and I imagine ask why he didnt just catch it.
Won't be surprised if Maynard-Brewer gets one, maybe two games under Jones to show his worth and then we might see a chance... Of course its understandable to call for Isted to be given minutes, but if Ashley is still keeping his place in the team (It might be because Managers loath to change the Goalkeeper), questions should also be asked about Isted in training.
Because its quite possible he's not getting in the starting line up, because at Sparrows Lane, he's not showing enough to be put in his place.
Sure he's still learning, he makes mistakes and he needs to grow into a keeper who's part of the defence rather than being the last line/last resort but I'm with you, I think he's earned his chance and I hope he gets it.2 -
Lewis Ward fits the size criteria, was an England u16 youth international but hasn’t played a lot in the EFL or above L1. Whether he can deal with the routine stuff is another matter 🤷♂️.FishCostaFortune said:Port Vale had 29 shots, 12 on a target. As much as AMB made some decent reflex saves that game, they are more in line with what I expect a keeper to be able to deal with.
To be honest I’m not sure Istead is the answer, though I think he is certainly worth a go. At this level I’d want to have a big physical beast who can command his area0 -
I would like to see Isted get a run of games starting Saturday as think he is better then some fans believe.1
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He’s played a lot of games though and most of them for CAFC. After 62 games in goal for a club he should be able to communicate with and order his defence about.Showmetheway2gohome said:Think people need to remember AMB is what 23/24 which is still relatively young for a goalie.The main thing I think he needs to improve is his communication with defenders not sure this is age related too or lack of confidence but you don’t see him ranting at his defenders in last game someone done a hospital back pass too him and he didn’t say anything I would like to see him going mental at the defenders.4 -
Ward couldn’t get into a league 2 team and for most of his career has been a backup keeper in league 2. He should be nowhere near playing for us in league 1
Isted should be in goal, and then we should be signing a new 1st choice in the summer and moving one of Isted/AMB on7 -
There is of course one aspect which could give Isted the advantage / disadvantage compared to Maynard-Brewer.
Nathan Jones signed him for Luton in the first place... Didnt play him much though...0 -
I don’t think either are good enough for a promotion push. Hope we bring in a better GK than both and move one on.alburyaddick said:I am a bit mystified by the whole drop AMB stuff. Apart from the cock up at Blackpool which he got away with and the dodgy punch against Derby, I cant think of any glaring errors and he was absolutely fantastic at Port Vale - who had 34 !!! shots on goal.
When I've seen Isted , he actually looks awful to me ? - he seemed to let everything in !4 -
Might be perfect next season then.NabySarr said:Ward couldn’t get into a league 2 team and for most of his career has been a backup keeper in league 2. He should be nowhere near playing for us in league 1
Isted should be in goal, and then we should be signing a new 1st choice in the summer and moving one of Isted/AMB on2 -
Isted is very inexperienced at this level & on my very limited viewing looks an accident waiting to happen. AMB is a great shot stopper but needs a huge amount of work on the rest of his game.alburyaddick said:I am a bit mystified by the whole drop AMB stuff. Apart from the cock up at Blackpool which he got away with and the dodgy punch against Derby, I cant think of any glaring errors and he was absolutely fantastic at Port Vale - who had 34 !!! shots on goal.
When I've seen Isted , he actually looks awful to me ? - he seemed to let everything in !0 -
Plenty of keepers have been dropped. I remember Bob Bolder losing his place to Mick Salmon for a few games after a poor spell.RedChaser said:As things stand the goalkeepers jersey is up for grabs but Isted has only just got over his injury, is not that big a lad and a bit of a journeyman like Ward although he’s much taller at 6’5” and the most experienced.
However Managers are normally reluctant to drop a keeper which does their confidence even more harm when they’re going through a rough patch which is where AMB is at the moment whilst still learning on the job in my opinion.
NJ will no doubt get the low down from the back room staff, Dobson and the CBs and a change could be afoot but I don’t think we’ll see that this Saturday unless either of the other two have been playing like Dino Zoff in training.
It's not as if we have a clear No 1. Isted actually started the season in goal before his injury.1 - Sponsored links:
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Of course plenty of keepers have been dropped no one said they haven’t but it’ll be a very bold move if NJ in his first game in charge drops AMB mind you not that he should have any complaints.killerandflash said:
Plenty of keepers have been dropped. I remember Bob Bolder losing his place to Mick Salmon for a few games after a poor spell.RedChaser said:As things stand the goalkeepers jersey is up for grabs but Isted has only just got over his injury, is not that big a lad and a bit of a journeyman like Ward although he’s much taller at 6’5” and the most experienced.
However Managers are normally reluctant to drop a keeper which does their confidence even more harm when they’re going through a rough patch which is where AMB is at the moment whilst still learning on the job in my opinion.
NJ will no doubt get the low down from the back room staff, Dobson and the CBs and a change could be afoot but I don’t think we’ll see that this Saturday unless either of the other two have been playing like Dino Zoff in training.
It's not as if we have a clear No 1. Isted actually started the season in goal before his injury.0 -
9 games for us in 2018 and one goal. Clearly didn’t make much of an impression on me. He’s now at Nuneaton Borough.Talal said:
Jamie Ward on loan from Forest.JamesSeed said:
I don’t remember Ward at all?Garrymanilow said:
Depends how you use the diamond to be honest. Bowyer used very attacking creative players in the promotion season. Ward, Williams, Fosu ( who was bad there), Marshall (who was worse), Aribo, Reeves, Ajose. Looking back it's actually absurd how much that diamond was rotated around the players. Cullen, Aribo, Reeves, Pratley, they all played different roles in it across the season depending on who was available. In the Championship season though Bowyer started off liking playing Gallagher at the tip of the diamond to win the ball back high up and allowing Williams playing behind him to pounce on the space created by that. You can play an aggressive, ball winning high pressing midfielder at the tip of a diamond as long as you have midfielders behind willing to step into the space that creates, and I suspect Dobson and Bakinson would be used to do that. I think we'll probably go 352 though, at least until Jones has more of the players he wants.NabySarr said:
Camara isn’t a 10 either. I think he’s perfectly suited to one of the outside positions in the diamond.RC_CAFC said:
The day Appleton played Campbell in the middle was the day I knew it wasn’t going to work for him.NabySarr said:
Tarique Fosu could play the Tarique Fosu role😂 He and Ward rotated it for the first half of that season.Exiled_Addick said:
Something similar to the diamond we played under Bowyer could work for us. The split forwards working each channel and providing crosses for the other striker as we did with Taylor and Grant would suit Ladapo and May much better than whatever we were trying to do with them on Saturday. Dobbo or REG in the Bielik role, Coventry in the Cullen role, Camara (I'll be optimistic and say we can get him fit) or Watson in the Aribo role. Who would at the forward point of the diamond n the Jamie Ward/Johnnie Williams role is the big question.MarcusH26 said:Thought Ali and George spoke really well about the problems we've got and how NJ is the right man to solve them. Interesting to hear the Diamond brought up....A serious answer, maybe Tyreece Campbell? He’s played centrally before and in the diamond would have a bit of freedom to drift out wide
I think we will play 3 at the back anyway, first focus is going to be on being more solid defensively. Maybe next season when we’ve got a proper 10 we might switch to the way Jones really wants to play
If we’re being honest. If we play the diamond, Camara is our best shot there. He just has to not be crocked the entire time.Louie Watson maybe a decent shout, but I still think it’s more likely we play 3-5-2 because we don’t have that number 10 and we can’t defend. Then maybe switch to a diamond if we are chasing a goal or want to unleash Chuks but still have May and Ladapo/Kanu on at the same time
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Istead is quite small for a keeper, and I’m not sure he’s a better bet than AMB right now. It’s a tricky one.FishCostaFortune said:Port Vale had 29 shots, 12 on a target. As much as AMB made some decent reflex saves that game, they are more in line with what I expect a keeper to be able to deal with. It’s all the other parts of his game that worry me - he’s quiet, his distribution is sooooo slow, he is not particularly great at coming for crosses, he has a tendency to punch the ball back into danger areas.
To be honest I’m not sure Istead is the answer, though I think he is certainly worth a go. At this level I’d want to have a big physical beast who can command his area1 -
Isted has become a lot better since he hasn't played. Both very poor keepers, in my view, but I guess he deserves another go as AMB has been poor23
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Brewer isn't that much bigger.
He's been a bag of nerve for ages, and Isted was finding decent form before he got injured. I'd make the change, whether NJ wants to, I don't know2 -
Willing to give Isted another chance if/when he plays. But christ he was shit at the start of the season! Don't recall ever seeing him make a save until the game where he got injured.3
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We'd all love a keeper with stunning distribution but at this stage I think we need one that will keep it out of the net the best and inspire the most confidence. That may well be Isted.Leuth said:
Isted's distribution is the reason I'd like him to play. AMB may not have thrown many into his own net but considering how much of our play goes through him, he's not great at italburyaddick said:I am a bit mystified by the whole drop AMB stuff. Apart from the cock up at Blackpool which he got away with and the dodgy punch against Derby, I cant think of any glaring errors and he was absolutely fantastic at Port Vale - who had 34 !!! shots on goal.
When I've seen Isted , he actually looks awful to me ? - he seemed to let everything in !1 -
Louie Watson is our best midfielder and it’s ridiculous that he isn’t starting games.3
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Pavoren007 said:I had not heard him speak before. Look forward to hearing “We look forward to welcoming our fans back to the Valleee” for the first time boyos and girlos (that a thing?)…
How green is my Valleee ?0 - Sponsored links:
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We do this alot, when i player is out injured or not playing they seems to become far better players than they were when they played.
I personally think AMB is a better all round goalkeeper than Isted currently but he clearly has some deficiencies and a lack of confidence currently. I don't see either of them being good enough next season if we are serious about promotion.1 -
Is anyone, apart from the WUM, saying Isted is great? AMB's confidence has looked shot for a while and players are laying into him almost every game. Just makes sense to me that you'd give him a break and Isted another go.Covered_End_Lad said:We do this alot, when i player is out injured or not playing they seems to become far better players than they were when they played.
I personally think AMB is a better all round goalkeeper than Isted currently but he clearly has some deficiencies and a lack of confidence currently. I don't see either of them being good enough next season if we are serious about promotion.1 -
I’ve been thinking the same, it wouldn’t surprise me if Jones tries something we don’t expect like Anderson at the tip of the diamond. What he can’t do is carry on with the same ideas MA stuck with.Garrymanilow said:
Depends how you use the diamond to be honest. Bowyer used very attacking creative players in the promotion season. Ward, Williams, Fosu ( who was bad there), Marshall (who was worse), Aribo, Reeves, Ajose. Looking back it's actually absurd how much that diamond was rotated around the players. Cullen, Aribo, Reeves, Pratley, they all played different roles in it across the season depending on who was available. In the Championship season though Bowyer started off liking playing Gallagher at the tip of the diamond to win the ball back high up and allowing Williams playing behind him to pounce on the space created by that. You can play an aggressive, ball winning high pressing midfielder at the tip of a diamond as long as you have midfielders behind willing to step into the space that creates, and I suspect Dobson and Bakinson would be used to do that. I think we'll probably go 352 though, at least until Jones has more of the players he wants.NabySarr said:
Camara isn’t a 10 either. I think he’s perfectly suited to one of the outside positions in the diamond.RC_CAFC said:
The day Appleton played Campbell in the middle was the day I knew it wasn’t going to work for him.NabySarr said:
Tarique Fosu could play the Tarique Fosu role😂 He and Ward rotated it for the first half of that season.Exiled_Addick said:
Something similar to the diamond we played under Bowyer could work for us. The split forwards working each channel and providing crosses for the other striker as we did with Taylor and Grant would suit Ladapo and May much better than whatever we were trying to do with them on Saturday. Dobbo or REG in the Bielik role, Coventry in the Cullen role, Camara (I'll be optimistic and say we can get him fit) or Watson in the Aribo role. Who would at the forward point of the diamond n the Jamie Ward/Johnnie Williams role is the big question.MarcusH26 said:Thought Ali and George spoke really well about the problems we've got and how NJ is the right man to solve them. Interesting to hear the Diamond brought up....A serious answer, maybe Tyreece Campbell? He’s played centrally before and in the diamond would have a bit of freedom to drift out wide
I think we will play 3 at the back anyway, first focus is going to be on being more solid defensively. Maybe next season when we’ve got a proper 10 we might switch to the way Jones really wants to play
If we’re being honest. If we play the diamond, Camara is our best shot there. He just has to not be crocked the entire time.Louie Watson maybe a decent shout, but I still think it’s more likely we play 3-5-2 because we don’t have that number 10 and we can’t defend. Then maybe switch to a diamond if we are chasing a goal or want to unleash Chuks but still have May and Ladapo/Kanu on at the same time
Getting us playing with more energy, pressing higher etc could make a big difference. We’ve got to find a way to be effective in attack without a target man or natural number 10, pressing more aggressively could be part of that. To do that we need the right mix of players.
I can also see Ramsay starting soon if not on Saturday to add pace and drive to the team which we’ve lost with CBT going.2 -
I think it's fair to say that most of us appear "worried" about the goalkeeper situation. As I commented earlier in my opinion AMB needs a great amount of work on various aspects of his game, I would just like to ask WTF does Henderson do on a daily basis ?4
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From what I recall he was rubbish I was praying he got replaced. Sadly the same has applied to most of the match day players that have had game time this season, which is why we are in 19th spot in February. With very few exceptions (we know who we trust), this team has not helped the keepers and vice versa. A seed change is require and hopefully NJ can plant one on someone promptly if they don't follow his plans.Pelling1993 said:Willing to give Isted another chance if/when he plays. But christ he was shit at the start of the season! Don't recall ever seeing him make a save until the game where he got injured.1 -
Have any of the ITK's heard anything about NJ's back up team ? Can't imagine he's come here to just have Fleming hoisted upon him ?0
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Has anyone heard from Jones yet?1
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He rung me earlierLargeAddick said:Has anyone heard from Jones yet?10 -
Yeah he seems quite calm about the prospect of a relegation battleLargeAddick said:Has anyone heard from Jones yet?
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He came through the youth set up I believeForeverAddickted said:There is of course one aspect which could give Isted the advantage / disadvantage compared to Maynard-Brewer.
Nathan Jones signed him for Luton in the first place... Didnt play him much though...0
