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Camara and Ladapo

mendonca
mendonca Posts: 9,408
in General Charlton
On paper, you would sign them up. But for me, I'd be inclined to judge the minutes, fitness and injury record this season and not aim to make them perm in Summer. 

If we want a smaller squad, it needs to be a robust squad.

Your thoughts?
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  • Algarveaddick
    Algarveaddick Posts: 21,156
    Camera has looked good at times, Ladapo's goal is more or less the only decent thing I can recall, otherwise I think he has been poor (I appreciate he might not be 100% fit). Camera was poor on Tuesday. At the moment it's a no from me to both.     
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 4,302
    Camara is a definite no from me, we already have Aneke next season so adding another player that spends more time injured than not and probably on a good contract would be a bad move 

    Ladapo I’m also not sure on, I think he’s proven at this level but he doesn’t offer what we need in a striker. Look at the transformation every game when Chuks comes on, we need a striker who can hold the ball up and play with his back to goal. We won’t find one as good as Aneke but we need someone who at least offers some of the same characteristics 

    If we sold Leaburn then maybe Ladapo would be an option but if our options are going to be Kanu, May, Aneke, Leaburn and 1 other, then I’m not sure Ladapo is the best option for the 1 other 
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,456
    If it were my call... No sadly.
  • LonelyNorthernAddick
    LonelyNorthernAddick Posts: 2,423
    NabySarr said:
    Camara is a definite no from me, we already have Aneke next season so adding another player that spends more time injured than not and probably on a good contract would be a bad move 

    Ladapo I’m also not sure on, I think he’s proven at this level but he doesn’t offer what we need in a striker. Look at the transformation every game when Chuks comes on, we need a striker who can hold the ball up and play with his back to goal. We won’t find one as good as Aneke but we need someone who at least offers some of the same characteristics 

    If we sold Leaburn then maybe Ladapo would be an option but if our options are going to be Kanu, May, Aneke, Leaburn and 1 other, then I’m not sure Ladapo is the best option for the 1 other 
    Sorry how is Camara a no because we have Aneke? They play in different positions, and the odds of Aneke being available for most of the season seems more than unlikely...
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 7,909
    ladapo is not the player i thought he was - for some reason i thought he was more of a target man / channel runner - a workhorse who could also score - as others have said, we desperately need a physical workhorse of a striker who can be relied on week in week out - that is the priority signing as it has been for god knows how long - camara i would give to the end of the season before making a judgement  
  • Pelling1993
    Pelling1993 Posts: 6,681
    They've got 11 games to prove it for me. Willing to give Camara so time as he was out for ages. Don't think the terrible surface/poor choice of studs helped him against Derby. The next 4 games are a great acid test for both. Should be looking to impose themselves.
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,362
    neither have been so bad as many comments suggest .. both have obvious fitness niggles but both have good basic skillsets .. as to permanent signings ? .. I doubt either will be retained for next season and I wouldn't quarrel if that were the case as I suspect Jones will be looking for younger, fitter alternatives
  • superclive98
    superclive98 Posts: 4,782
    Ladapo is a definite no for me. Unsure about Camara, as he has so far looked good and bad. I'd be giving him the chance to prove himself as long as it isn't adversely impacting our battle against relegation.

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  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,647
    Haven't seen enough to judge atm, although if having to make a decision I'd pass on Ladapo.

    More importantly......are they free agents in the summer because if not then it's all a bit moot. 
  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 21,298
    In decent teams they've looked good in the past 

    In our bad team they've mostly looked... pretty bad 

    A high tide raises all ships
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,055
    I would imagine they would be fairly expensive salary wise and, on that basis, at the moment I would probably say “no”. Still a quarter of the season left to impress enough for us to make them an offer though. 
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,360
    Ladapo's positioning is great his finishing has been rusty

  • cafc4life
    cafc4life Posts: 4,634
    I’d keep Camara, think there is a real player in there. 

    Ladapo hasn’t pulled up any trees but let’s be honest the team hadn’t won in 3 months before Tuesday. Hard for him to make an instant impact in such a shit team 
  • RC_CAFC
    RC_CAFC Posts: 1,758
    Ask again in 2 months. Far too early to tell. Camara isn't match fit yet.
  • Pelling1993
    Pelling1993 Posts: 6,681
    If we had a proper 10 I think Ladapo would look far more effective 
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    LonelyNorthernAddick said:
    NabySarr said:
    Camara is a definite no from me, we already have Aneke next season so adding another player that spends more time injured than not and probably on a good contract would be a bad move 

    Ladapo I’m also not sure on, I think he’s proven at this level but he doesn’t offer what we need in a striker. Look at the transformation every game when Chuks comes on, we need a striker who can hold the ball up and play with his back to goal. We won’t find one as good as Aneke but we need someone who at least offers some of the same characteristics 

    If we sold Leaburn then maybe Ladapo would be an option but if our options are going to be Kanu, May, Aneke, Leaburn and 1 other, then I’m not sure Ladapo is the best option for the 1 other 
    Sorry how is Camara a no because we have Aneke? They play in different positions, and the odds of Aneke being available for most of the season seems more than unlikely...
    The point being we have one player injured all the time, don’t need another
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 7,909
    Pelling1993 said:
    If we had a proper 10 I think Ladapo would look far more effective 
    agreed - same goes for may and kanu - all 3 benefit massively from being on the pitch with chucks 
  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 24,760
    I'd Definitely sign Camara . Ladapo has to show more but i wouldn't rule it out. 

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  • 9goalswentpastperry
    9goalswentpastperry Posts: 1,109
    I'll be candid, Camara; yes, if he gets a run of games and Jones likes what he sees. (Frankly, if Jones likes him I doubt he'll come and ask me for my views so it's only his opinion that matters.)
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,177
    golfaddick said:
    Haven't seen enough to judge atm, although if having to make a decision I'd pass on Ladapo.

    More importantly......are they free agents in the summer because if not then it's all a bit moot. 
    Why is it moot? They're obviously not wanted at Ipswich and it's not like we haven't been paying fees for players recently. We paid for Coventry, REG, Gillesphey and Ramsay in January so I doubt Ladapo having a year left on his contract at a team looking to move him on would be much of a deterrent, especially if Ipswich get promoted.
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,631
    Both have a pedigree at our level that indicates they are worth persevering with. Camara lacking fitness and sharpness and Ladapo somewhat fitter but lacking game time. Both will over the coming weeks get to that required level and I think it’s then they should be judged. I suspect we’ll see a lot more from both before the seasons out. 
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 4,302
    edited February 2024
    LonelyNorthernAddick said:
    NabySarr said:
    Camara is a definite no from me, we already have Aneke next season so adding another player that spends more time injured than not and probably on a good contract would be a bad move 

    Ladapo I’m also not sure on, I think he’s proven at this level but he doesn’t offer what we need in a striker. Look at the transformation every game when Chuks comes on, we need a striker who can hold the ball up and play with his back to goal. We won’t find one as good as Aneke but we need someone who at least offers some of the same characteristics 

    If we sold Leaburn then maybe Ladapo would be an option but if our options are going to be Kanu, May, Aneke, Leaburn and 1 other, then I’m not sure Ladapo is the best option for the 1 other 
    Sorry how is Camara a no because we have Aneke? They play in different positions, and the odds of Aneke being available for most of the season seems more than unlikely...
    Because having 1 player on good money and not playing the majority of the season is already 1 too many, adding another is probably not wise 

    It’s a waste of budget that could be spent on players that can play every week 
  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,330
    Ladapo would score goals if the team were set up to play to his strengths. I don’t think Jones has any intention of doing that so he will leave and Jones will recruit some one who fits in with him.
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,475
    Camara flew out.of the blocks at home to Orient. Got injured and hasn't looked the same since. He was all over the shop on Tuesday
    Suppose he needs a bit of a run.. but will he get one? So at the moment No

    Ladapo I'm not sure. Hasn't looked fully fit and the games he came into were a real baptism of fire.I think he could be useful.
    But who am I to judge. I thought the same about Kirk!
  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,038
    edited February 2024
    carly burn said:
    Camara flew out.of the blocks at home to Orient. Got injured and hasn't looked the same since. He was all over the shop on Tuesday
    Suppose he needs a bit of a run.. but will he get one? So at the moment No

    Ladapo I'm not sure. Hasn't looked fully fit and the games he came into were a real baptism of fire.I think he could be useful.
    But who am I to judge. I thought the same about Kirk!
    What you say about Camara is undoubtedly true, but I feel that first half just wasn't the right sort of game for him. I think he shines when he gets the ball at his feet. He has the knack of twisting and turning and coming out with the ball against what look like impossible odds. Tuesday's first half was more of a game of head tennis, which I don't sense he's really about at all. So I guess the answer to the opening question is that it may depend on what style of football we expect to be playing most next season or if there's a way that he can up his game to make the most of his talents. As has been said above, I trust Jones to make that call.
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,386
    No for me at the moment, both look to me like they could be on their way down, but I wouldn’t rule them out completely yet.
  • cafcsinger
    cafcsinger Posts: 5,550
    Ladapo has been the biggest disappointment out of all the January signings imo. Just doesn't look up to speed at all, I can't believe how poor his touch is too. Fiorini obviously has been a waste of space, but there wasn't much expectation with him, whereas Ladapo has an excellent record at League 1 - yet somehow looks not up to it.
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,367
    So far, a definite no on both. 

    Ladapo hasn't looked like his old self at all, and at 31, may not find his previous form again. 

    Camara would be a better signing of the two, and he's only 27, but his injury struggles concern me. 

    Either way, I am just happy with whatever Jones decides. I suspect with his comments about trimming the squad, both of them won't be here next season. 

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