@ME14addick genuine question, im not a denier and as stated earlier i had 3 jabs but wouldnt have anymore as last one was worse for side effects than actially having illness. Though im lucky i say that as a reasonably fit healthy 33 year old. Ive read most of your posts, so my question is in your ideal world, how should we all be living ? What would you like to see to help with the threat of covid ?

Radostanradical said:

@ME14addick genuine question, im not a denier and as stated earlier i had 3 jabs but wouldnt have anymore as last one was worse for side effects than actially having illness. Though im lucky i say that as a reasonably fit healthy 33 year old. Ive read most of your posts, so my question is in your ideal world, how should we all be living ? What would you like to see to help with the threat of covid ?

Oh Christ, don’t encourage him.

*her 

Be interested in people’s thoughts on the prospect of this. 

Radostanradical said:

@ME14addick genuine question, im not a denier and as stated earlier i had 3 jabs but wouldnt have anymore as last one was worse for side effects than actially having illness. Though im lucky i say that as a reasonably fit healthy 33 year old. Ive read most of your posts, so my question is in your ideal world, how should we all be living ? What would you like to see to help with the threat of covid ?

During the early part of the pandemic a lot of people were saying that there would be a different attitude to illness in future, and that people would refrain from going into public places if they were ill, to prevent infecting others, not just for Covid  but other infections diseases as well. Many think this is no longer necessary and that it doesn't matter if they pass on their germs to others.I don't think it's acceptable to go out when you might infect others.

Interestingly the UKHSA has just released a new statement only this week, as hospitalisations of people over 85 due to Covid infection has increased. In it they say that people should try to stay at home if unwell and if you must go out, try to wear a mask, to reduce the likelihood of infecting vulnerable people.

There was a feature on BBC News today  about the increase in TB  which like Covid, is spread by aerosol. We're seeing an  increase in other diseases like whooping cough, measles & scarlet fever which had almost disappeared, it's just common sense not to go out if unwell to prevent the spread infection to others.

Many are calling for cleaner air as I've previously said, that was another thing that was mentioned in the UKHSA advice, good ventilation is important in reducing viruses spread by aerosol. I would post a link for that but I'm using my phone and am not good at posting links on that device.

The article I referred to about the costs to the UK economy of Long Covid,  showed that doing nothing may be more costly than putting in place measures such as fitting HEPA filters to clean the air we breathe. 

Covid can still cause long term sickness which is already costing the UK economy a lot of money, that can't be ignored. The cost to the NHS is considerable, that article shows just how much.

ME14addick said:

Radostanradical said:

@ME14addick genuine question, im not a denier and as stated earlier i had 3 jabs but wouldnt have anymore as last one was worse for side effects than actially having illness. Though im lucky i say that as a reasonably fit healthy 33 year old. Ive read most of your posts, so my question is in your ideal world, how should we all be living ? What would you like to see to help with the threat of covid ?

During the early part of the pandemic a lot of people were saying that there would be a different attitude to illness in future, and that people would refrain from going into public places if they were ill, to prevent infecting others, not just for Covid  but other infections diseases as well. Many think this is no longer necessary and that it doesn't matter if they pass on their germs to others.I don't think it's acceptable to go out when you might infect others.

Interestingly the UKHSA has just released a new statement only this week, as hospitalisations of people over 85 due to Covid infection has increased. In it they say that people should try to stay at home if unwell and if you must go out, try to wear a mask, to reduce the likelihood of infecting vulnerable people.

There was a feature on BBC News today  about the increase in TB  which like Covid, is spread by aerosol. We're seeing an  increase in other diseases like whooping cough, measles & scarlet fever which had almost disappeared, it's just common sense not to go out if unwell to prevent the spread infection to others.

Many are calling for cleaner air as I've previously said, that was another thing that was mentioned in the UKHSA advice, good ventilation is important in reducing viruses spread by aerosol. I would post a link for that but I'm using my phone and am not good at posting links on that device.

The article I referred to about the costs to the UK economy of Long Covid,  showed that doing nothing may be more costly than putting in place measures such as fitting HEPA filters to clean the air we breathe. 

Covid can still cause long term sickness which is already costing the UK economy a lot of money, that can't be ignored. The cost to the NHS is considerable, that article shows just how 

Radostanradical said:

ME14addick said:

Radostanradical said:

@ME14addick genuine question, im not a denier and as stated earlier i had 3 jabs but wouldnt have anymore as last one was worse for side effects than actially having illness. Though im lucky i say that as a reasonably fit healthy 33 year old. Ive read most of your posts, so my question is in your ideal world, how should we all be living ? What would you like to see to help with the threat of covid ?

During the early part of the pandemic a lot of people were saying that there would be a different attitude to illness in future, and that people would refrain from going into public places if they were ill, to prevent infecting others, not just for Covid  but other infections diseases as well. Many think this is no longer necessary and that it doesn't matter if they pass on their germs to others.I don't think it's acceptable to go out when you might infect others.

Interestingly the UKHSA has just released a new statement only this week, as hospitalisations of people over 85 due to Covid infection has increased. In it they say that people should try to stay at home if unwell and if you must go out, try to wear a mask, to reduce the likelihood of infecting vulnerable people.

There was a feature on BBC News today  about the increase in TB  which like Covid, is spread by aerosol. We're seeing an  increase in other diseases like whooping cough, measles & scarlet fever which had almost disappeared, it's just common sense not to go out if unwell to prevent the spread infection to others.

Many are calling for cleaner air as I've previously said, that was another thing that was mentioned in the UKHSA advice, good ventilation is important in reducing viruses spread by aerosol. I would post a link for that but I'm using my phone and am not good at posting links on that device.

The article I referred to about the costs to the UK economy of Long Covid,  showed that doing nothing may be more costly than putting in place measures such as fitting HEPA filters to clean the air we breathe. 

Covid can still cause long term sickness which is already costing the UK economy a lot of money, that can't be ignored. The cost to the NHS is considerable, that article shows just how much.

Thats great answer to a question im not asking, ill try again what do YOU specially wish to see in place ? What measures should people take in everyday life ?

Sorry I thought it was clear what I want to happen. I want people to not go out when they are unwell. There are still tests so if they really must go out, then take a test.

I also want to see a recognition of the benefits of cleaner air in public places. Someone referred to the cost of doing this, but the costs of not doing so may be greater in the long run.

I also want Governments and the media to be more open and honest about the long term effects that Covid can have on the body. These effects are many and varied and are already costing the UK economy a lot of money.

I want there to be a widespread recognition that living with Covid does mean that some changes need to be made. There are things that can be done without the restrictions of the earlier pandemic years.

 Covid IS here to stay and will cause a lot more long term illness if we continue to let it spread with no thought for others.

ME14addick said:

Radostanradical said:

@ME14addick genuine question, im not a denier and as stated earlier i had 3 jabs but wouldnt have anymore as last one was worse for side effects than actially having illness. Though im lucky i say that as a reasonably fit healthy 33 year old. Ive read most of your posts, so my question is in your ideal world, how should we all be living ? What would you like to see to help with the threat of covid ?

During the early part of the pandemic a lot of people were saying that there would be a different attitude to illness in future, and that people would refrain from going into public places if they were ill, to prevent infecting others, not just for Covid  but other infections diseases as well. Many think this is no longer necessary and that it doesn't matter if they pass on their germs to others.I don't think it's acceptable to go out when you might infect others.

Or perhaps they saw the absolutely devastating impact of removing people from society for extended periods of time and changed their mind?

or are only you capable of changing your mind, like you’re the only one capable of using Google. 

Stu_of_Kunming said:

ME14addick said:

Radostanradical said:

@ME14addick genuine question, im not a denier and as stated earlier i had 3 jabs but wouldnt have anymore as last one was worse for side effects than actially having illness. Though im lucky i say that as a reasonably fit healthy 33 year old. Ive read most of your posts, so my question is in your ideal world, how should we all be living ? What would you like to see to help with the threat of covid ?

During the early part of the pandemic a lot of people were saying that there would be a different attitude to illness in future, and that people would refrain from going into public places if they were ill, to prevent infecting others, not just for Covid  but other infections diseases as well. Many think this is no longer necessary and that it doesn't matter if they pass on their germs to others.I don't think it's acceptable to go out when you might infect others.

Or perhaps they saw the absolutely devastating impact of removing people from society for extended periods of time and changed their mind?

or are only you capable of changing your mind, like you’re the only one capable of using Google. 

There is plenty of evidence of the harm to children's future health from Covid infection. Preventing one child from going to school for a few days might prevent 20 others from becoming infected, to me that is a no brainer. 

We have the tools to make schools and other public places safer by filtering the air we breathe. The cost to the economy of doing nothing may be greater than actually putting these systems in place. 

There is an article on Sky News today about planning for the next epidemic, which could come at any time. Putting in measures to reduce infection now may well prevent the 'lockdowns' we saw in the early days of the recent pandemic, surely that's a good thing?

We've been lucky so far in that the mutation of the SARS-Cov-2 virus has resulted in milder infections. It is not a given that the trend will continue.

With climate change and human encroachment into habitats of other species, it makes it far more likely that a new virus will jump species resulting in a new pandemic.

https://news.sky.com/story/next-pandemic-is-around-the-corner-expert-warns-but-would-lockdown-ever-happen-again-13097693

The following is taken from the second link, though the whole article explains a lot more as it explains the cumulative risk of having successive infections.

Asked whether the recent drop in MMR vaccines and the measles outbreak in the West Midlands are solely the result of anti-vax groups, he admits there has been "some outright anti-vax sentiment" around MMR that has had an impact, particularly on social media.

But he stresses that addressing "missed opportunities" to use community leaders to engage with disenfranchised groups is just as important in reversing the problem.

Prof Griffin says the delayed decision to vaccinate five to 11-year-olds in 2022 was bad for jab rates, alongside the then-health secretary Sajid Javid's description of the programme as "non-urgent". Data shows only around 10% of under-12s had a single dose.

"The dithering and indecision around the benefits for vaccinating children was pretty damaging in the sense that if you look at uptake in younger groups, it's appalling," Prof Griffin adds.

Primary courses of the vaccine are also no longer universally available for all age groups, aside from the clinically vulnerable and people who live with them.

"So children turning five after September 2022 have to wait until they're in their 60s to have a vaccine, unless they become clinically vulnerable," Prof Griffin says.

"The idea that repeated infections are a preferable means of generating population immunity to vaccines, especially in children, is a dangerous nonsense."

https://news.sky.com/story/the-virus-is-still-evolving-at-an-incredible-rate-how-widespread-is-covid-now-and-how-many-people-are-dying-with-it-13059424?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

I'm not sure what you are getting at with your final sentence, but I do believe that the vast majority of people are completely unaware of the ongoing risks of Covid infection as it is mostly referred to in the past tense.

Any update on when we’ll be able to buy a Covid booster jab?

My wife and daughter got their jab at Boots Bluewater at the weekend, £97.50 each.

A bit eye watering but the criteria for a free jab has reduced quite a bit and will be even smaller come the Autumn booster so it was not surprising to see quite a number of people from all age ranges paying out.

By the way anyone living in Kent the only Boots offering the jab is Maidstone, Chatham and Bluewater.  If you pop into London the the nearest is Gallions Reach. 

For a start we need to clean the air in public buildings and schools, the cost of not doing this may be greater than doing it. CO2 monitors can show the quality of the air. People should be told not to go into public places when ill, in fact the UKHSA does say that, but how many people actually know they do.

I also think that there should be greater public awareness of the risks that Covid still poses, it is being very much hidden and how would the majority of people know about the risks if people like me didn't post about them on sites like this. There is a definite narrative to blame things like lockdowns to deflect from a policy which infected and still infects large numbers of people. 

We have the Prime Minister saying he doesn't think that there are more people sick now than before the pandemic, totally ignoring the elephant in the room that is Covid. The benefits bill is high, but when you wilfully allow millions of people to become sick, that is the result. Yes, there are other causes of illness, but is there seems to be little correlation between things like heart attacks, strokes, diabetes, brain problems and others, which are already well known as being caused by a Covid infection.

He also wants to bring in 'trained' assessors to determine the fitness of people to work. We actually have trained people to do that, they're called doctors, not  somebody sitting at a computer screen with targets to meet. Again this is all done to deflect from a policy that increases sickness.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1388245/uk-sick-leave-figures/

ME14addick said:

For a start we need to clean the air in public buildings and schools, the cost of not doing this may be greater than doing it. CO2 monitors can show the quality of the air. People should be told not to go into public places when ill, in fact the UKHSA does say that, but how many people actually know they do.

I also think that there should be greater public awareness of the risks that Covid still poses, it is being very much hidden and how would the majority of people know about the risks if people like me didn't post about them on sites like this. There is a definite narrative to blame things like lockdowns to deflect from a policy which infected and still infects large numbers of people. 

We have the Prime Minister saying he doesn't think that there are more people sick now than before the pandemic, totally ignoring the elephant in the room that is Covid. The benefits bill is high, but when you wilfully allow millions of people to become sick, that is the result. Yes, there are other causes of illness, but is there seems to be little correlation between things like heart attacks, strokes, diabetes, brain problems and others, which are already well known as being caused by a Covid infection.

He also wants to bring in 'trained' assessors to determine the fitness of people to work. We actually have trained people to do that, they're called doctors, not  somebody sitting at a computer screen with targets to meet. Again this is all done to deflect from a policy that increases sickness.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1388245/uk-sick-leave-figures/

Clean air scrubbing is a great idea but to be universally effective is prohibitively costly and won’t happen any time soon. Telling people not to go out or to work when they don’t feel well is pointless. People do. The information re Covid is out there for those that are interested but on the whole people are not. The assessor scheme is just a Tory scheme to appease the nutters on their backbenches and hang em and flog em voters and won’t be implemented by the time they’re kicked out of office. That’s about where we are.

I disagree that the information is out there, more like a concerted campaign to keep any discussion of Covid away from the majority of people, who are only too willing to forget about Covid.

We are all playing Covid roulette. Without clean air, the next infection could permanently disable you

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/26/covid-roulette-clean-air-ventilation-long-covid?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2xuaU5LhkavrX8cyIzJ_ho2j3JE0afAk7Sn7H

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