Regarding West Ham, I truly can't believe some of their fans mindsets in where they 'belong' in the footballing pyramid.
There's a bloke at my work (lovely chap) that genuinely believes they should have been up there competing with the likes of old ManU and challenging top4 consistently. Doesn't think where they sit now is good enough and thinks the conference run wasn't all that. Bloody mental.
I think they've had a bad appointment here West Ham, and think they'll regret letting Moyes go. I genuinely wouldn't have West Ham even in my top15 clubs in England in terms of stature, probably around the top20 somewhere. If anything I think they've over achieved this and last season.
West Ham currently get the second highest attendances in the country after Man U. I fully appreciate that if other clubs had higher capacities that would change but no way are there 15 bigger clubs.
The big 6, Newcastle, Everton, Leeds and Sunderland are the only clubs i can think of who would pull 64k crowds in the PL.
They should definitely do better than they did last season (finished 6 points off relegation) but i think where they are now (9th) is about right.
I'd say 'big 6', Villa, Newcastle, Everton, Leeds, Sunderland, Wolves, Derby, Nottingham Forest, and Leicester, I would certainly say are bigger. I would maybe add West Brom as well to the mix.
They do have a lot of fans, and they do well ticket sales wise, but they haven't really won much generally speaking, and never won the top flight.
I could see why someone would have them in their top15 biggest clubs, but just not for me personally. I think they've overachieved, and their fans should be happy with what they've done.
This has got to be a joke post Only Everton and Leeds are bigger than West Ham on your list
Regarding West Ham, I truly can't believe some of their fans mindsets in where they 'belong' in the footballing pyramid.
There's a bloke at my work (lovely chap) that genuinely believes they should have been up there competing with the likes of old ManU and challenging top4 consistently. Doesn't think where they sit now is good enough and thinks the conference run wasn't all that. Bloody mental.
I think they've had a bad appointment here West Ham, and think they'll regret letting Moyes go. I genuinely wouldn't have West Ham even in my top15 clubs in England in terms of stature, probably around the top20 somewhere. If anything I think they've over achieved this and last season.
West Ham currently get the second highest attendances in the country after Man U. I fully appreciate that if other clubs had higher capacities that would change but no way are there 15 bigger clubs.
The big 6, Newcastle, Everton, Leeds and Sunderland are the only clubs i can think of who would pull 64k crowds in the PL.
They should definitely do better than they did last season (finished 6 points off relegation) but i think where they are now (9th) is about right.
I'd say 'big 6', Villa, Newcastle, Everton, Leeds, Sunderland, Wolves, Derby, Nottingham Forest, and Leicester, I would certainly say are bigger. I would maybe add West Brom as well to the mix.
They do have a lot of fans, and they do well ticket sales wise, but they haven't really won much generally speaking, and never won the top flight.
I could see why someone would have them in their top15 biggest clubs, but just not for me personally. I think they've overachieved, and their fans should be happy with what they've done.
This has got to be a joke post Only Everton and Leeds are bigger than West Ham on your list
Regarding West Ham, I truly can't believe some of their fans mindsets in where they 'belong' in the footballing pyramid.
There's a bloke at my work (lovely chap) that genuinely believes they should have been up there competing with the likes of old ManU and challenging top4 consistently. Doesn't think where they sit now is good enough and thinks the conference run wasn't all that. Bloody mental.
I think they've had a bad appointment here West Ham, and think they'll regret letting Moyes go. I genuinely wouldn't have West Ham even in my top15 clubs in England in terms of stature, probably around the top20 somewhere. If anything I think they've over achieved this and last season.
West Ham currently get the second highest attendances in the country after Man U. I fully appreciate that if other clubs had higher capacities that would change but no way are there 15 bigger clubs.
The big 6, Newcastle, Everton, Leeds and Sunderland are the only clubs i can think of who would pull 64k crowds in the PL.
They should definitely do better than they did last season (finished 6 points off relegation) but i think where they are now (9th) is about right.
I'd say 'big 6', Villa, Newcastle, Everton, Leeds, Sunderland, Wolves, Derby, Nottingham Forest, and Leicester, I would certainly say are bigger. I would maybe add West Brom as well to the mix.
They do have a lot of fans, and they do well ticket sales wise, but they haven't really won much generally speaking, and never won the top flight.
I could see why someone would have them in their top15 biggest clubs, but just not for me personally. I think they've overachieved, and their fans should be happy with what they've done.
This has got to be a joke post Only Everton and Leeds are bigger than West Ham on your list
Regarding West Ham, I truly can't believe some of their fans mindsets in where they 'belong' in the footballing pyramid.
There's a bloke at my work (lovely chap) that genuinely believes they should have been up there competing with the likes of old ManU and challenging top4 consistently. Doesn't think where they sit now is good enough and thinks the conference run wasn't all that. Bloody mental.
I think they've had a bad appointment here West Ham, and think they'll regret letting Moyes go. I genuinely wouldn't have West Ham even in my top15 clubs in England in terms of stature, probably around the top20 somewhere. If anything I think they've over achieved this and last season.
West Ham currently get the second highest attendances in the country after Man U. I fully appreciate that if other clubs had higher capacities that would change but no way are there 15 bigger clubs.
The big 6, Newcastle, Everton, Leeds and Sunderland are the only clubs i can think of who would pull 64k crowds in the PL.
They should definitely do better than they did last season (finished 6 points off relegation) but i think where they are now (9th) is about right.
I'd say 'big 6', Villa, Newcastle, Everton, Leeds, Sunderland, Wolves, Derby, Nottingham Forest, and Leicester, I would certainly say are bigger. I would maybe add West Brom as well to the mix.
They do have a lot of fans, and they do well ticket sales wise, but they haven't really won much generally speaking, and never won the top flight.
I could see why someone would have them in their top15 biggest clubs, but just not for me personally. I think they've overachieved, and their fans should be happy with what they've done.
This has got to be a joke post Only Everton and Leeds are bigger than West Ham on your list
Aston Villa are miles bigger than West Ham. 7 times champions of England and once of Europe. Most of those titles were admittedly a long time ago but surely outside of east London that isn’t a matter for serious debate
Regarding West Ham, I truly can't believe some of their fans mindsets in where they 'belong' in the footballing pyramid.
There's a bloke at my work (lovely chap) that genuinely believes they should have been up there competing with the likes of old ManU and challenging top4 consistently. Doesn't think where they sit now is good enough and thinks the conference run wasn't all that. Bloody mental.
I think they've had a bad appointment here West Ham, and think they'll regret letting Moyes go. I genuinely wouldn't have West Ham even in my top15 clubs in England in terms of stature, probably around the top20 somewhere. If anything I think they've over achieved this and last season.
West Ham currently get the second highest attendances in the country after Man U. I fully appreciate that if other clubs had higher capacities that would change but no way are there 15 bigger clubs.
The big 6, Newcastle, Everton, Leeds and Sunderland are the only clubs i can think of who would pull 64k crowds in the PL.
They should definitely do better than they did last season (finished 6 points off relegation) but i think where they are now (9th) is about right.
I'd say 'big 6', Villa, Newcastle, Everton, Leeds, Sunderland, Wolves, Derby, Nottingham Forest, and Leicester, I would certainly say are bigger. I would maybe add West Brom as well to the mix.
They do have a lot of fans, and they do well ticket sales wise, but they haven't really won much generally speaking, and never won the top flight.
I could see why someone would have them in their top15 biggest clubs, but just not for me personally. I think they've overachieved, and their fans should be happy with what they've done.
This has got to be a joke post Only Everton and Leeds are bigger than West Ham on your list
Aston Villa are miles bigger than West Ham. 7 times champions of England and once of Europe. Most of those titles were admittedly a long time ago but surely outside of east London that isn’t a matter for serious debate
6 of those 7 titles were before the first world war so don't hold much weight in a modern day discussion.
A few years ago when Villa were struggling in the bottom half and battling relegation they weren't even selling out Villa Park which holds 20k less than the crowds West ham get. To say they are 'miles bigger' simply isn't true.
Regarding West Ham, I truly can't believe some of their fans mindsets in where they 'belong' in the footballing pyramid.
There's a bloke at my work (lovely chap) that genuinely believes they should have been up there competing with the likes of old ManU and challenging top4 consistently. Doesn't think where they sit now is good enough and thinks the conference run wasn't all that. Bloody mental.
I think they've had a bad appointment here West Ham, and think they'll regret letting Moyes go. I genuinely wouldn't have West Ham even in my top15 clubs in England in terms of stature, probably around the top20 somewhere. If anything I think they've over achieved this and last season.
West Ham currently get the second highest attendances in the country after Man U. I fully appreciate that if other clubs had higher capacities that would change but no way are there 15 bigger clubs.
The big 6, Newcastle, Everton, Leeds and Sunderland are the only clubs i can think of who would pull 64k crowds in the PL.
They should definitely do better than they did last season (finished 6 points off relegation) but i think where they are now (9th) is about right.
I'd say 'big 6', Villa, Newcastle, Everton, Leeds, Sunderland, Wolves, Derby, Nottingham Forest, and Leicester, I would certainly say are bigger. I would maybe add West Brom as well to the mix.
They do have a lot of fans, and they do well ticket sales wise, but they haven't really won much generally speaking, and never won the top flight.
I could see why someone would have them in their top15 biggest clubs, but just not for me personally. I think they've overachieved, and their fans should be happy with what they've done.
No way are Derby, Forest, Wolves, Leicester and West brom bigger clubs than West Ham.
Villa i'd probably have on par with West Ham but they weren't even selling out Villa Park (42k) a few years ago when they were struggling, which was why i kept them off my original list.
Also the fact that West Ham haven't won much but still get 60k crowds surely enhances the point that they're a big club.
Of course this is just my view, however farfetched it may seem.
I think without doubt Leeds, Everton, Villa, Sunderland and Newcastle are bigger clubs. Based on a mixture of fan base and honours.
I have Leicester ahead due to their recent success. I think once they come up again they'll be ahead of West Ham. West Brom historically have more honours and quite a fair sized fanbase so I view them as a bigger club. I'd say those are the only two where I might be looking into honours too much.
Forest, Derby and Wolves all the middle ground, again, feel they've all just won more and have quite big fan bases.
I'm not disputing that West Ham have a lot of fans, in that regard, they're a big club. When I look at them historically, I just don't think they've done much, that's all.
My main point is, when there is a fair amount of clubs with more history than West Ham, and previous history of actually competing for titles, I find it bonkers a West Ham fan I know truly believes they should be on the same playing field as the likes of Liverpool, Arsenal etc
Regarding West Ham, I truly can't believe some of their fans mindsets in where they 'belong' in the footballing pyramid.
There's a bloke at my work (lovely chap) that genuinely believes they should have been up there competing with the likes of old ManU and challenging top4 consistently. Doesn't think where they sit now is good enough and thinks the conference run wasn't all that. Bloody mental.
I think they've had a bad appointment here West Ham, and think they'll regret letting Moyes go. I genuinely wouldn't have West Ham even in my top15 clubs in England in terms of stature, probably around the top20 somewhere. If anything I think they've over achieved this and last season.
West Ham currently get the second highest attendances in the country after Man U. I fully appreciate that if other clubs had higher capacities that would change but no way are there 15 bigger clubs.
The big 6, Newcastle, Everton, Leeds and Sunderland are the only clubs i can think of who would pull 64k crowds in the PL.
They should definitely do better than they did last season (finished 6 points off relegation) but i think where they are now (9th) is about right.
I'd say 'big 6', Villa, Newcastle, Everton, Leeds, Sunderland, Wolves, Derby, Nottingham Forest, and Leicester, I would certainly say are bigger. I would maybe add West Brom as well to the mix.
They do have a lot of fans, and they do well ticket sales wise, but they haven't really won much generally speaking, and never won the top flight.
I could see why someone would have them in their top15 biggest clubs, but just not for me personally. I think they've overachieved, and their fans should be happy with what they've done.
This has got to be a joke post Only Everton and Leeds are bigger than West Ham on your list
No it's not a joke and just how I view West Ham. Like I said, I can see why people would say it, but if you look at their history compared to most of the clubs I've mentioned, there's no contest.
If we are talking who has the most people attend games/fans, then there is no argument, as the stats are there for me to look at. If we are talking history, honours and longevity in English football, combined with followings, I think there's an argument to be made that West Ham are behind a number of clubs in the pecking order
Discussing what teams are bigger always amuses me as it will always be open to disagreement. What makes one bigger than another? Worldwide Interest & Media exposure, Riches, Fans attending, history of success. All of which are subject to change over time, so there is no definitive answer. Isn't it individuals perceptions based on experiences in their lifetimes? And don't get me started on who's the best team on the planet. Compared to where, Mars?
Not that his sacking is right but the fact that the Manager of the side that knocked them out last night was the one that took Norwich up twice probably didn't help the mood of the fans.
Manager Thomas Tuchel has confirmed he will leave Bayern Munich this summer despite holding talks about a potential U-turn to stay.
It was announced in February the German, 50, would depart with a year left on his contract after a difficult campaign, in which Bayern were beaten to the Bundesliga title by Bayer Leverkusen.
A petition from the fans called for Tuchel to stay but the former Chelsea manager says talks "did not reach an agreement".
"Our agreement from February still stands," said Tuchel.
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Only Everton and Leeds are bigger than West Ham on your list
derby!!!!! Why not add mk dons to the list
Huddersfield Town have appointed former Barnsley and Swansea City boss Michael Duff as their new head coach on a three-year contract.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cll44zpnz1do
A few years ago when Villa were struggling in the bottom half and battling relegation they weren't even selling out Villa Park which holds 20k less than the crowds West ham get. To say they are 'miles bigger' simply isn't true.
Now 60 years later they still have 7 FA Cup wins.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c0deerjkmj2o
I think without doubt Leeds, Everton, Villa, Sunderland and Newcastle are bigger clubs. Based on a mixture of fan base and honours.
I have Leicester ahead due to their recent success. I think once they come up again they'll be ahead of West Ham. West Brom historically have more honours and quite a fair sized fanbase so I view them as a bigger club. I'd say those are the only two where I might be looking into honours too much.
Forest, Derby and Wolves all the middle ground, again, feel they've all just won more and have quite big fan bases.
I'm not disputing that West Ham have a lot of fans, in that regard, they're a big club. When I look at them historically, I just don't think they've done much, that's all.
My main point is, when there is a fair amount of clubs with more history than West Ham, and previous history of actually competing for titles, I find it bonkers a West Ham fan I know truly believes they should be on the same playing field as the likes of Liverpool, Arsenal etc
If we are talking who has the most people attend games/fans, then there is no argument, as the stats are there for me to look at. If we are talking history, honours and longevity in English football, combined with followings, I think there's an argument to be made that West Ham are behind a number of clubs in the pecking order
Pretty harsh, finished 6th and lost to a quality Leeds team who should've probably got automatic promotion.
with Norfolk FB Holdings, led by American businessman Mark Attanasio, now matching their 40% stake.
Man Utd boss handed contract extension
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cd1q7y38e8voManager Thomas Tuchel has confirmed he will leave Bayern Munich this summer despite holding talks about a potential U-turn to stay.
It was announced in February the German, 50, would depart with a year left on his contract after a difficult campaign, in which Bayern were beaten to the Bundesliga title by Bayer Leverkusen.
A petition from the fans called for Tuchel to stay but the former Chelsea manager says talks "did not reach an agreement".
"Our agreement from February still stands," said Tuchel.
I guess they all know that it's the Harry Kane curse which is the real reason.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c84z9117xxyo
Thiago Motta who's had an amazing season with Bologna, getting them into next seasons Champions League, is the favourite to take over.