The thread about Boxing

Blackheathen said:

After CharltonLife the fight news.com website is my go-to for boxing information. 

 Something I read today which I found interesting is that in most jurisdictions the official judging score cards are given to the fighters’ corners - and sometimes the public - after the 4th and 8th rounds.  The exceptions to this practice are the US and UK.

Good idea do you think?

I think so. Would certainly make for some interesting last rounds if a fighter officially knows he's losing.

I also think judges should be made to explain their scorecards, just as i also think that referees in football should be made to explain their decisions post-match. I don't get why they're pretty much unaccountable. Give a terrible decision, or a dodgy scorecard and then just fuck off home. Why not get these guys to explain things?

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

Blackheathen said:

After CharltonLife the fight news.com website is my go-to for boxing information. 

 Something I read today which I found interesting is that in most jurisdictions the official judging score cards are given to the fighters’ corners - and sometimes the public - after the 4th and 8th rounds.  The exceptions to this practice are the US and UK.

Good idea do you think?

I think so. Would certainly make for some interesting last rounds if a fighter officially knows he's losing.

I also think judges should be made to explain their scorecards, just as i also think that referees in football should be made to explain their decisions post-match. I don't get why they're pretty much unaccountable. Give a terrible decision, or a dodgy scorecard and then just fuck off home. Why not get these guys to explain things?

Referees, have a much harder job with football as they are seeing and reacting to things in real time, things that happen really quickly now. That is why I think VAR should only be used for things like touch and go penalties or last man fouls and even then it should be the referee watching a screen rather than faceless bods watching lines for a toenail being offside by millimetres. In boxing I totally agree judges should have to explain how they scored a fight the way they did. It isn't fair on fighters to have any ambiguity and is fair for them to understand what each judge likes. 

The WBC had an experiment years ago where they read the judges scorecards out in the breaks 

Carter said:

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

Blackheathen said:

After CharltonLife the fight news.com website is my go-to for boxing information. 

 Something I read today which I found interesting is that in most jurisdictions the official judging score cards are given to the fighters’ corners - and sometimes the public - after the 4th and 8th rounds.  The exceptions to this practice are the US and UK.

Good idea do you think?

I think so. Would certainly make for some interesting last rounds if a fighter officially knows he's losing.

I also think judges should be made to explain their scorecards, just as i also think that referees in football should be made to explain their decisions post-match. I don't get why they're pretty much unaccountable. Give a terrible decision, or a dodgy scorecard and then just fuck off home. Why not get these guys to explain things?

Referees, have a much harder job with football as they are seeing and reacting to things in real time, things that happen really quickly now. That is why I think VAR should only be used for things like touch and go penalties or last man fouls and even then it should be the referee watching a screen rather than faceless bods watching lines for a toenail being offside by millimetres. In boxing I totally agree judges should have to explain how they scored a fight the way they did. It isn't fair on fighters to have any ambiguity and is fair for them to understand what each judge likes. 

The WBC had an experiment years ago where they read the judges scorecards out in the breaks 

Yes i do agree with that, and i don't mean every decision and i guess i mean the VAR's explaining decisions. Even with VAR we're seeing some penalties given that look dodgy, or not given when they look like should, i don't see why these officials aren't made to explain their reasoning. Making them publicly accountable i think might help the process.

Bizarre performance from Richards in the first fight of the 5x5. So pedestrian 

DoctorCharlton said:

Big fan of Nick Ball… unbelievable work rate. Hope he goes on to win

Cracking fight. What a last round! Ford just nicked it for me but wouldn't be upset to see it go to Ball

Looking like a bad decision from Frank to captain Sheeraz, totally outclassed at the moment.

Wow… great stoppage from Sheeraz.. great call from Frank to captain him 😂

Great win for Dubois! Hrgovic's conditioning looked off from early 

And still only 26. A relative baby in heavyweight terms.

SELR_addicks said:

Looks like Fury took Wilder's heart and chin in their fights. 

That’s four defeats in his last five for Wilder, done now surely. 

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

Fair play to Wilder, he had a devastating KO ability, made a lot of money and can retire a rich man, which is probably a lot more than he thought he'd do considering he didn't take up boxing until he was 20.

Taking up the sport so late probably explains why he was ultimately not a very good boxer though. Also i'd say probably at least 35 of his fights were against guys ranked outside the top 20, and despite his KO record, can anyone claim he actually beat a single decent fighter? Maybe Luis Ortiz but even he was almost 40 years old.

The thing with Wilder was the x factor of that right hand equaliser, he'd seemingly happily get his head boxed off knowing he would get a chance to land something horrible and more often than not he did. He never made to hide thats what he was about and I appreciated him for it. For what its worth while Joshua might have fancied the fight, Hearn was not letting him within a mile of Wilder. 

The comment about his opposition is a fair one but how many people starched Stiverne, Ortiz, Breazeale, Helenius. Not many 

I hope he retires now with enough money to pay the US healthcare cartel whatever he has to ensuring his child is looked after. He also saved American heavyweight boxing at a time it very much needed saving and still does in my opinion. 

Dubois v Joshua is a stinker of a fight, Dubois is too easy to hit and Joshua is too scared of getting hit/hurt since Ruiz tuned him up. He is a better boxer than Dubois though and will send us all to sleep sniping from a safe distance for 12 rounds. 

I was impressed with Dubois last night, not for his technique more for the stones he has shown in his last 2 fights, shows he hasn't learned how not to get hit but has shown he isn't afraid of getting hit to land something unpleasant on his opponent and Hrgovic is a credible opponent 

Can't see where the next exciting fights are coming from in the heavyweight division. Usyk fury 2, and possibly Fury AJ, then what? Who is left for Usky to fight? Parker has maybe earned it more, possibly Zhang. Nothing to make the mouth water

Nothing particularly mouth watering 

CAFCsayer said:

Carter said:

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

Fair play to Wilder, he had a devastating KO ability, made a lot of money and can retire a rich man, which is probably a lot more than he thought he'd do considering he didn't take up boxing until he was 20.

Taking up the sport so late probably explains why he was ultimately not a very good boxer though. Also i'd say probably at least 35 of his fights were against guys ranked outside the top 20, and despite his KO record, can anyone claim he actually beat a single decent fighter? Maybe Luis Ortiz but even he was almost 40 years old.

The thing with Wilder was the x factor of that right hand equaliser, he'd seemingly happily get his head boxed off knowing he would get a chance to land something horrible and more often than not he did. He never made to hide thats what he was about and I appreciated him for it. For what its worth while Joshua might have fancied the fight, Hearn was not letting him within a mile of Wilder. 

The comment about his opposition is a fair one but how many people starched Stiverne, Ortiz, Breazeale, Helenius. Not many 

I hope he retires now with enough money to pay the US healthcare cartel whatever he has to ensuring his child is looked after. He also saved American heavyweight boxing at a time it very much needed saving and still does in my opinion. 

Dubois v Joshua is a stinker of a fight, Dubois is too easy to hit and Joshua is too scared of getting hit/hurt since Ruiz tuned him up. He is a better boxer than Dubois though and will send us all to sleep sniping from a safe distance for 12 rounds. 

I was impressed with Dubois last night, not for his technique more for the stones he has shown in his last 2 fights, shows he hasn't learned how not to get hit but has shown he isn't afraid of getting hit to land something unpleasant on his opponent and Hrgovic is a credible opponent 

Not sure I agree with you there, think AJ stops Dubois quite comfortably. He is way too easy to hit and AJ hits a lot harder than Joe Joyce. Can see him stopping him with a straight down the middle relatively early

I'd like to see Joshua do that but I just have a feeling in my gut he will play it safe. Dubois does seem like he can really hurt people with a clean right hand and to me seems heavy handed which will be enough for Joshua to keep his distance. Dubois throws combinations too which Joshua definitely does not like 

bobmunro said:

SELR_addicks said:

Usyk retires after beating Fury again imo. There's no one left. 

Joshua v Fury then they both retire too. Or Fury retires and Joshua has a year or two being 'the man'. 

Parker has probably earned another title shot but other than that it's slim pickings. 

Looking likely to be Joshua v Dubois next. Then Fury v Usyk. Then maybe winners fight? If Usyk/Fury don't retire. 

I think both Fury and Usyk retire after the rematch (where Usyk will stop Fury) - assuming Joshua beats Dubois then there is no appetite for Joshua/Usyk and Usyk has nobody else worth fighting.

Maybe then Joshua fights Zhang or Parker for one or more of the vacant belts, but as @McBobbin says there is nothing mouthwatering there!

Part of me thinks Fury will learn from the first fight and might be able to do enough to edge the rematch. People are forgetting he was up on all the scorecards after round 7. If he is able to do that, then they will almost certainly then have a third fight 'decider'.

But yes i completely agree that if Usyk wins the rematch then they will both retire.