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Post Office Horizon scandal

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  • Dippenhall
    Dippenhall Posts: 3,919
    Valley11 said:
    It’s a difficult but compelling watch this.
    I wonder how the families feel watching this? Pleased she’s being put firmly on the sport or outraged that she’s got a platform to talk her way out of it? 
    Like a soap opera but for real. Waiting for someone to shout out "Liar Liar Pants On Fire".
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    edited May 2024

    Beer... "Are you saying that what you typed was a misunderstanding between you and the keyboard?" 

    This is getting surreal.

    I blame mirrors, Vennels must've looked at herself in the mirror and said 'you're alright', and believed what she told herself.


  • Stuart_the_Red
    Stuart_the_Red Posts: 1,852
    Difficult to believe that she’s also an ordained Anglican priest!
  • IdleHans
    IdleHans Posts: 10,971
    Valley11 said:
    It’s a difficult but compelling watch this.
    I wonder how the families feel watching this? Pleased she’s being put firmly on the sport or outraged that she’s got a platform to talk her way out of it? 

    She doesnt have the intellect to weasel out of this one, she's really not all that bright. It's so depressing that such people find themselves in the highly-paid positions they do. She's just an over-promoted functionary without a clue what was going on in the business she was suppposed to be running. Whoever put her in that job (presumably other over-promoted functionaries) should be kicked down the stairs several times, hard.
  • ME14addick
    ME14addick Posts: 9,762
    Tomorrow should be interesting when the barristers for the Sub Postmasters will get a chance to question her. A couple of them don't hold back with their questioning.
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,628
    And we are always told that these people earning mega-bucks salaries are worth it because they are the best people for the job. 

    Christ on a bike. I reckon anyone one of us could have done a much better job for a fraction of her salary. Unless she wasn't that incompetent and is just lying. Which one is it Ms Vennells ?
  • IdleHans
    IdleHans Posts: 10,971
    And we are always told that these people earning mega-bucks salaries are worth it because they are the best people for the job. 

    Christ on a bike. I reckon anyone one of us could have done a much better job for a fraction of her salary. Unless she wasn't that incompetent and is just lying. Which one is it Ms Vennells ?
    My money is on 'both'
  • Lordflashheart
    Lordflashheart Posts: 5,623
    Good friend of mine is a Barrister - fuck me, he is a brilliant mind fuck - when he wants to, he can twist you up, question you, then go back to what you said earlier - and - errr - well I didn’t mean that etc etc 

    They are very talented (the good ones) - but, my word, just like the legal teams at PO inquiry - they have to put soooo much work in beforehand - massive amounts of work 
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,355
    Vennalls is nothing but a venal fraud and liar .. however given how quickly news moves on and new villains hit the headlines, she'll soon fade into obscurity having nicked 10 years salary and a lot of misawarded bonus money .. I hope that the above is wrong and before long she has her collar felt and she's 'brought before the courts'
  • DaveMehmet
    DaveMehmet Posts: 21,601
    Vennalls is nothing but a venal fraud and liar .. however given how quickly news moves on and new villains hit the headlines, she'll soon fade into obscurity having nicked 10 years salary and a lot of misawarded bonus money .. I hope that the above is wrong and before long she has her collar felt and she's 'brought before the courts'
    No chance of her having her collar felt, nether will any of the scumbags responsible for this scandal. You just know it.
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  • NornIrishAddick
    NornIrishAddick Posts: 9,623
    Vennalls is nothing but a venal fraud and liar .. however given how quickly news moves on and new villains hit the headlines, she'll soon fade into obscurity having nicked 10 years salary and a lot of misawarded bonus money .. I hope that the above is wrong and before long she has her collar felt and she's 'brought before the courts'
    No chance of her having her collar felt, nether will any of the scumbags responsible for this scandal. You just know it.
    The problem is that any prosecutions would, almost inevitably, be inclined to bring in to focus the actions/inactions of governments, so politicians are unlikely to support such efforts.

    Obviously, the Police and CPS are entirely independent of government, and would never fall in with the wishes of Ministers...
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,355
    Vennalls is nothing but a venal fraud and liar .. however given how quickly news moves on and new villains hit the headlines, she'll soon fade into obscurity having nicked 10 years salary and a lot of misawarded bonus money .. I hope that the above is wrong and before long she has her collar felt and she's 'brought before the courts'
    No chance of her having her collar felt, nether will any of the scumbags responsible for this scandal. You just know it.
    The problem is that any prosecutions would, almost inevitably, be inclined to bring in to focus the actions/inactions of governments, so politicians are unlikely to support such efforts.

    Obviously, the Police and CPS are entirely independent of government, and would never fall in with the wishes of Ministers...
    tongue well in cheek there of course
  • Stuart_the_Red
    Stuart_the_Red Posts: 1,852
    edited June 2024
    Alan Bates, long-time campaigner for justice for the Horizon victims has been knighted in the King’s Birthday Honours:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c511l0j4l2po
  • ME14addick
    ME14addick Posts: 9,762
    Very well deserved , hopefully this will lead to justice for all those affected by this scandal. Without the tenacity of Alan Bates this would have been so much harder.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    Watching the BBC interview with Sir Alan Bates.
    I am in awe of the man.
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,355
    VERY well deserved award, BUT (excuse the diversion), no recognition for Kevin Sinfield (so far I hope) yet luvvies like Staunton and Emin (w t f ) are ennobled. The awards silly season goes on and on and ....
  • superclive98
    superclive98 Posts: 4,766
    VERY well deserved award, BUT (excuse the diversion), no recognition for Kevin Sinfield (so far I hope) yet luvvies like Staunton and Emin (w t f ) are ennobled. The awards silly season goes on and on and ....
    He is a CBE.
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 28,638
    I’m sure Alan would’ve just been happy with being a postmaster for all his working career. Well deserved honour. 
  • IdleHans
    IdleHans Posts: 10,971
    edited June 2024
    Good to see him honoured just as the odious vennels creature is dishonoured. Very fitting.
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,355
    VERY well deserved award, BUT (excuse the diversion), no recognition for Kevin Sinfield (so far I hope) yet luvvies like Staunton and Emin (w t f ) are ennobled. The awards silly season goes on and on and ....
    He is a CBE.
    thanks for the info
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  • bolloxbolder
    bolloxbolder Posts: 7,963
    Still nothing for Beckham
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    edited June 2024
    Its the best drama on TV:
    I watch far too much of it but I just love to see the prevarication of Vennels and Co and the ways they try to shift the blame.

    Despite hating knighthoods I can understand Alan Bates accepting his as it will give more leverage to the struggle to get the many Thousands of wronged Post office Staff their money back and compensation.

    This protecting the brand is as old as time and earning millions for Vennels and a few other CEO's during the last 20+ years.
  • ME14addick
    ME14addick Posts: 9,762
    I've listened to some of the Inquiry and it has been very enlightening.

    This week we have Ian Henderson & Ron Warmington from Second Sight, the company employed by the PO to look into the claims that Horizon was to to blame, they were removed by the PO when they were reporting things that the PO execs didn't want to hear.

    Gareth Jenkins the former 'Distinguished Engineer at Fujitsu Services Ltd' will be questioned for 4 days from 24th June. It was his evidence that was believed to be unsafe, but wasn't disclosed to the lawyers representing the sub Post Masters.

  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    edited June 2024
    Still nothing for Beckham

    This really needs a reply:

    He was given an OBE 21 years ago.

    There are concerns leaked emails from 2017 might still be damaging Beckham's chance of becoming a sir. These leaked emails revealed Beckham's frustration with the honours committee, whom he branded "unappreciative c***s", and his indifference towards being knighted, stating, "I expected nothing less. It's a disgrace to be honest and if I was American I would of got something like this 10 years ago." Furthermore, he appeared to question the accolade given to Welsh singer Katherine Jenkins in 2014, furiously asking: "For what? Singing at the rugby and going to see the troops."

    I'm sure he will get the Knighthood that he craves eventually; Jimmy Pedo Saville and fat Phillip Green got the archaic medieval title so why not Brand Beckham.
  • IdleHans
    IdleHans Posts: 10,971
    "I would of got"
    He should lose his OBE for that  ;)

    If he wants an award why doesn't he ask his Qatari paymasters to buy him one
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,355
    edited June 2024
    Still nothing for Beckham

    This really needs a reply:

    He was given an OBE 21 years ago.

    There are concerns leaked emails from 2017 might still be damaging Beckham's chance of becoming a sir. These leaked emails revealed Beckham's frustration with the honours committee, whom he branded "unappreciative c***s", and his indifference towards being knighted, stating, "I expected nothing less. It's a disgrace to be honest and if I was American I would of got something like this 10 years ago." Furthermore, he appeared to question the accolade given to Welsh singer Katherine Jenkins in 2014, furiously asking: "For what? Singing at the rugby and going to see the troops."

    I'm sure he will get the Knighthood that he craves eventually; Jimmy Pedo Saville and fat Phillip Green got the archaic medieval title so why not Brand Beckham.
    I loved Beckham as a young 'prodigy',. however the over the top adulation of this over hyped, i m o, undeserving personality ensures that I will never buy anything that Beckham is 'sponsoring'
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,651
    edited June 2024
    Still nothing for Beckham

    This really needs a reply:

    He was given an OBE 21 years ago.

    There are concerns leaked emails from 2017 might still be damaging Beckham's chance of becoming a sir. These leaked emails revealed Beckham's frustration with the honours committee, whom he branded "unappreciative c***s", and his indifference towards being knighted, stating, "I expected nothing less. It's a disgrace to be honest and if I was American I would of got something like this 10 years ago." Furthermore, he appeared to question the accolade given to Welsh singer Katherine Jenkins in 2014, furiously asking: "For what? Singing at the rugby and going to see the troops."

    I'm sure he will get the Knighthood that he craves eventually; Jimmy Pedo Saville and fat Phillip Green got the archaic medieval title so why not Brand Beckham.
    I loved Beckham as a young 'prodigy',. however the over the top adulation of this over hyped, i m o, undeserving personality ensures that I will never buy anything that Beckham is 'sponsoring'
    On that note, have Walkers Crisps sacked Lineker given Beckham and Henry are in the recent adverts re the Euros?
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,355
    edited June 2024
    LenGlover said:
    Still nothing for Beckham

    This really needs a reply:

    He was given an OBE 21 years ago.

    There are concerns leaked emails from 2017 might still be damaging Beckham's chance of becoming a sir. These leaked emails revealed Beckham's frustration with the honours committee, whom he branded "unappreciative c***s", and his indifference towards being knighted, stating, "I expected nothing less. It's a disgrace to be honest and if I was American I would of got something like this 10 years ago." Furthermore, he appeared to question the accolade given to Welsh singer Katherine Jenkins in 2014, furiously asking: "For what? Singing at the rugby and going to see the troops."

    I'm sure he will get the Knighthood that he craves eventually; Jimmy Pedo Saville and fat Phillip Green got the archaic medieval title so why not Brand Beckham.
    I loved Beckham as a young 'prodigy',. however the over the top adulation of this over hyped, i m o, undeserving personality ensures that I will never buy anything that Beckham is 'sponsoring'
    On that note, have Walkers Crisps sacked Lineker given Beckham and Henry are in the recent adverts re the Euros?
    good question .. anyway I'll NEVER buy Walkers again (didn't know handball henry is now advertising crisps)
  • man_at_milletts
    man_at_milletts Posts: 5,620
    edited June 2024
    Some damning evidence yesterday.  I fail to see how they cannot put Vennells and others in front of a jury.


  • bolloxbolder
    bolloxbolder Posts: 7,963
    Some damning evidence yesterday.


    The police must act on this and arrest Vennells and her despicable crew.