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Post Office Horizon scandal
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I watched the first session yesterday morning and the evidence given by Henderson was clear and unequivocal. The knife was well and truly stuck into the PO hierarchy.man_at_milletts said:2 -
Two men with complete integrity. How rare these days but both should be applauded.4
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Valley11 said:Two men with complete integrity. How rare these days but both should be applauded.
And had the foresight to record their phone calls.
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bolloxbolder said:
The police must act on this and arrest Vennells and her despicable crew.man_at_milletts said:
But would the CPS then be conflicted about prosecuting if they have prosecuted Post Office managers with cases they may not have looked too closely at ?
and would a Labour government with the ex-CPS boss as PM feel they need to push the can down the road ?0 -
letthegoodtimesroll said:bolloxbolder said:
The police must act on this and arrest Vennells and her despicable crew.man_at_milletts said:
But would the CPS then be conflicted about prosecuting if they have prosecuted Post Office managers with cases they may not have looked too closely at ?
and would a Labour government with the ex-CPS boss as PM feel they need to push the can down the road ?
Who knows? We'll probably have to wait and see.
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‘Wait and see’ is probably what sums up the approach of both political parties throughout except if you are the outgoing Conservative PM with no chance of actually having to fulfill on the promise to pay compensation this side of an earlier than expected election which you set the date for…man_at_milletts said:letthegoodtimesroll said:bolloxbolder said:
The police must act on this and arrest Vennells and her despicable crew.man_at_milletts said:
But would the CPS then be conflicted about prosecuting if they have prosecuted Post Office managers with cases they may not have looked too closely at ?
and would a Labour government with the ex-CPS boss as PM feel they need to push the can down the road ?
Who knows? We'll probably have to wait and see.1 -
letthegoodtimesroll said:bolloxbolder said:
The police must act on this and arrest Vennells and her despicable crew.man_at_milletts said:
But would the CPS then be conflicted about prosecuting if they have prosecuted Post Office managers with cases they may not have looked too closely at ?
and would a Labour government with the ex-CPS boss as PM feel they need to push the can down the road ?
Weren't the prosecutions carried out by the Post Office rather than the CPS?2 -
Weren't these originally private prosecutions, i.e. not involving the CPS? In which case the CPS may even be more inclined to get involved having been side-stepped originally.letthegoodtimesroll said:bolloxbolder said:
The police must act on this and arrest Vennells and her despicable crew.man_at_milletts said:
But would the CPS then be conflicted about prosecuting if they have prosecuted Post Office managers with cases they may not have looked too closely at ?
and would a Labour government with the ex-CPS boss as PM feel they need to push the can down the road ?1 -
the emphasis now must be to get compensation paid to those as yet not recompensed/received damages .. I believe the Post Office is still party to the pay out procedure, that (if so) is ridiculous0
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38 carried out by the CPS is a figure that had been mentioned earlier this yearrandy andy said:
Weren't these originally private prosecutions, i.e. not involving the CPS? In which case the CPS may even be more inclined to get involved having been side-stepped originally.letthegoodtimesroll said:bolloxbolder said:
The police must act on this and arrest Vennells and her despicable crew.man_at_milletts said:
But would the CPS then be conflicted about prosecuting if they have prosecuted Post Office managers with cases they may not have looked too closely at ?
and would a Labour government with the ex-CPS boss as PM feel they need to push the can down the road ?
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Out of how many?letthegoodtimesroll said:
38 carried out by the CPS is a figure that had been mentioned earlier this yearrandy andy said:
Weren't these originally private prosecutions, i.e. not involving the CPS? In which case the CPS may even be more inclined to get involved having been side-stepped originally.letthegoodtimesroll said:bolloxbolder said:
The police must act on this and arrest Vennells and her despicable crew.man_at_milletts said:
But would the CPS then be conflicted about prosecuting if they have prosecuted Post Office managers with cases they may not have looked too closely at ?
and would a Labour government with the ex-CPS boss as PM feel they need to push the can down the road ?0 -
He had turned down humours before on the basis that he would only accept when Vennels returned hers. He said when offered this time he accepted for the sub postmaster.soapboxsam said:Its the best drama on TV:
I watch far too much of it but I just love to see the prevarication of Vennels and Co and the ways they try to shift the blame.
Despite hating knighthoods I can understand Alan Bates accepting his as it will give more leverage to the struggle to get the many Thousands of wronged Post office Staff their money back and compensation.
This protecting the brand is as old as time and earning millions for Vennels and a few other CEO's during the last 20+ years.0 -
Considerably more than that but that’s not really the point. The post Office did about 700 themselves I read somewhere but it seems common belief that those were probably suspect. On the other hand, however, it would be reasonable to believe that every single one of the CPS ones would have only have gone ahead after a lot of investigation and fact checking so the question should be why didn’t they pick up on what was really happening ?randy andy said:
Out of how many?letthegoodtimesroll said:
38 carried out by the CPS is a figure that had been mentioned earlier this yearrandy andy said:
Weren't these originally private prosecutions, i.e. not involving the CPS? In which case the CPS may even be more inclined to get involved having been side-stepped originally.letthegoodtimesroll said:bolloxbolder said:
The police must act on this and arrest Vennells and her despicable crew.man_at_milletts said:
But would the CPS then be conflicted about prosecuting if they have prosecuted Post Office managers with cases they may not have looked too closely at ?
and would a Labour government with the ex-CPS boss as PM feel they need to push the can down the road ?
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Because the CPS looks at the "evidence" presented and also look at precedent, to determine whether to take the case on. They make decisions purely on whether they look likely to win or not.letthegoodtimesroll said:
Considerably more than that but that’s not really the point. The post Office did about 700 themselves I read somewhere but it seems common belief that those were probably suspect. On the other hand, however, it would be reasonable to believe that every single one of the CPS ones would have only have gone ahead after a lot of investigation and fact checking so the question should be why didn’t they pick up on what was really happening ?randy andy said:
Out of how many?letthegoodtimesroll said:
38 carried out by the CPS is a figure that had been mentioned earlier this yearrandy andy said:
Weren't these originally private prosecutions, i.e. not involving the CPS? In which case the CPS may even be more inclined to get involved having been side-stepped originally.letthegoodtimesroll said:bolloxbolder said:
The police must act on this and arrest Vennells and her despicable crew.man_at_milletts said:
But would the CPS then be conflicted about prosecuting if they have prosecuted Post Office managers with cases they may not have looked too closely at ?
and would a Labour government with the ex-CPS boss as PM feel they need to push the can down the road ?
Sadly, the Post Office's hiding of evidence that would have been likely to undermine a prosecution meant that they took decisions based on inaccurate information.
They don't investigate the case, and don't have anyone in house with that kind of expertise. Their role is to present the case provided to them persuasively to get a prosecution.
I very much doubt that, until the scandal really became public, the vast majority in the CPS had the slightest reason to believe that they were anything other than in the right.4 -
The Post Office has launched an urgent investigation after it accidentally published the names and addresses of 555 postmasters prosecuted during the Horizon scandal.
The company confirmed staff had shared personal details in a document on its website and said it had referred itself to data watchdog the Information Commissioner’s Office.
One former sub-postmaster tweeted that the breach had caused "a great amount of upset, distress and anger" among colleagues.
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Unbelievable!clive said:The Post Office has launched an urgent investigation after it accidentally published the names and addresses of 555 postmasters prosecuted during the Horizon scandal.
The company confirmed staff had shared personal details in a document on its website and said it had referred itself to data watchdog the Information Commissioner’s Office.
One former sub-postmaster tweeted that the breach had caused "a great amount of upset, distress and anger" among colleagues.
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Believable, I'm afraid.stonemuse said:
Unbelievable!clive said:The Post Office has launched an urgent investigation after it accidentally published the names and addresses of 555 postmasters prosecuted during the Horizon scandal.
The company confirmed staff had shared personal details in a document on its website and said it had referred itself to data watchdog the Information Commissioner’s Office.
One former sub-postmaster tweeted that the breach had caused "a great amount of upset, distress and anger" among colleagues.
If the ICO doesn't issue a significant fine, it'll be in real difficulties, it's such a high profile data breach (the profile making it natural to query the accidental nature of the disclosure) that any other outcome is unthinkable.3 -
They can add that ‘significant fine’ to the sum the government is going to have to come up with for the compensation for the wrongly convicted sub post masters etcNornIrishAddick said:
Believable, I'm afraid.stonemuse said:
Unbelievable!clive said:The Post Office has launched an urgent investigation after it accidentally published the names and addresses of 555 postmasters prosecuted during the Horizon scandal.
The company confirmed staff had shared personal details in a document on its website and said it had referred itself to data watchdog the Information Commissioner’s Office.
One former sub-postmaster tweeted that the breach had caused "a great amount of upset, distress and anger" among colleagues.
If the ICO doesn't issue a significant fine, it'll be in real difficulties, it's such a high profile data breach (the profile making it natural to query the accidental nature of the disclosure) that any other outcome is unthinkable.1 -
Horizon is robust, says ex-boss of postmasters' union
The Post Office's Horizon system is "very robust" and the only scandal is that the company failed to properly defend it, according to a man tasked with representing sub-postmasters.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cyxxz799vxko
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A position reported to have been funded by the employer since 2016, hardly the norm for a representative of the workers...clive said:Horizon is robust, says ex-boss of postmasters' union
The Post Office's Horizon system is "very robust" and the only scandal is that the company failed to properly defend it, according to a man tasked with representing sub-postmasters.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cyxxz799vxko1 -
NornIrishAddick said:
A position reported to have been funded by the employer since 2016, hardly the norm for a representative of the workers...clive said:Horizon is robust, says ex-boss of postmasters' union
The Post Office's Horizon system is "very robust" and the only scandal is that the company failed to properly defend it, according to a man tasked with representing sub-postmasters.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cyxxz799vxko
Everything about the way the Post Office operated is so wrong.1 -
The queues were apalling.ME14addick said:NornIrishAddick said:
A position reported to have been funded by the employer since 2016, hardly the norm for a representative of the workers...clive said:Horizon is robust, says ex-boss of postmasters' union
The Post Office's Horizon system is "very robust" and the only scandal is that the company failed to properly defend it, according to a man tasked with representing sub-postmasters.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cyxxz799vxko
Everything about the way the Post Office operated is so wrong.5 -
Today was awesome viewing.0
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Postmasters have always been nicking cash and there’s nothing wrong with Horizon - the Inquiry is all fake news. A Post Office man through and through.0
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Todays union rep was unbelievable, and people bang on about joining a union, he's as guilty as the rest of them.3
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Rob7Lee said:Todays union rep was unbelievable, and people bang on about joining a union, he's as guilty as the rest of them.
The Amazing thing is that George Thompson wasn't just a local Rep he was the leader of the National federation of Sub post-Masters !
Thompson was the fat Scottish Turkey voting for Xmas.
Keir Hardie is spinning in his grave listening to George Thompson defend the scandal.
Supreme work by the counsel to the Inquiry, Julien Blake when he accused Thompson of "being in bed with Paula Vennels"
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If only there had been a union then to challenge the coincidences of so many having shortfalls in their books and being prosecuted by their employer….Rob7Lee said:Today’s union rep was unbelievable, and people bang on about joining a union, he's as guilty as the rest of them.2 -
This wasn't a normal Trade Union though, that is the whole point. It was set up by the Post Office.Rob7Lee said:Todays union rep was unbelievable, and people bang on about joining a union, he's as guilty as the rest of them.0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h242eDB84zY&ab_channel=4KRemasters
