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  • IdleHans
    IdleHans Posts: 10,966
    Pleeeease itv can you show the Dutch fan park at the end
  • BigRedEvil
    BigRedEvil Posts: 11,071
    Played well first half, game tightened up 2nd half and the subs won the game. 

    Fantastic finish by Watkins. 

    Get the fuck in 
  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 8,484
    Watkins just nearly said Bouncabackability
  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks Posts: 15,446
    ken_shabby said:
    I've done my share of moaning about Southgate. He got that bang on to be honest. Great changes and another final. 
    Loving the repeats of the Watkins goal!!
    Yeah taking this game on its own merits, Southgate did a great job this game. 

    Thought the Shaw sub didn't go as planned, but that's not his fault. But the Watkins/Palmer changes were superb. 
  • lordromford
    lordromford Posts: 7,783
    Up until this game, England, and Southgate in particular, have absolutely infuriated me.
    Credit where it’s due tonight: despite putting out the same team as in previous dreadful games, we actually looked pretty decent in the first half.
    Shaw for Trippier was the correct call at half time too, but Southgate showed his Achilles heel which is an absolute inability (or maybe refusal?) to adapt when your opponents change their set up. The Dutch strangled the life out of us and we again looked toothless, ponderous and vulnerable.

    Then came the last ten minutes. As has been said by many, it felt like the subs were too late. It turned out that they weren’t and Palmer played in Watkins and that was that.

    I said after Switzerland that even if we went all the way I’d still dislike Southgate. I’m still of the opinion that our success is down to the players rather than Southgate, and that he’s been fortunate that his excessively late subs have repeatedly paid dividends almost immediately (you can’t tell me that’s strategic genius!) but the first half tonight has at least softened my view of him.

    At the end of the day, I’m delighted we’ve made it to the final.
    COME ON ENGLAND!! 😎
  • McBobbin
    McBobbin Posts: 12,051
    Id rather start slow and get it right now than the other way round 
  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks Posts: 15,446
    The big question now is for the final, should Kane start? 

    Both strikers have shown more in their respective sub appearances than Kane has done all tournament. 
  • moutuakilla
    moutuakilla Posts: 7,568
    Tournament winners grow into tournaments. Exactly what we've done.

    Come on England! 
  • DRAddick
    DRAddick Posts: 3,588
    charltonkeston said:
    Still undefeated under Starmer. 

    If we lose the final Billyboy will blame Khan.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,318
    SELR_addicks said:
    The big question now is for the final, should Kane start? 

    Both strikers have shown more in their respective sub appearances than Kane has done all tournament. 
    Kane vs Olmo for the Golden Boot... Of course he'll start
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  • Laddick01
    Laddick01 Posts: 6,365
    SELR_addicks said:
    The big question now is for the final, should Kane start? 

    Both strikers have shown more in their respective sub appearances than Kane has done all tournament. 
    In many ways, it's a good problem to have.

    I was worried how we'd move on from Kane. With Watkins and Toney alone I don't think we're in a bad place.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,764
    SELR_addicks said:
    The big question now is for the final, should Kane start? 

    Both strikers have shown more in their respective sub appearances than Kane has done all tournament. 
    We will be unchanged unless Shaw is deemed capable of doing 90+ minutes.
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,012
    SELR_addicks said:
    The big question now is for the final, should Kane start? 

    Both strikers have shown more in their respective sub appearances than Kane has done all tournament. 
    Pointless discussing it, i seriously doubt he's going to change anything unless Shaw is fit enough to play 90 or even 120 minutes. Why would he when we've come this far?
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,446
    Well deserved win - upped their game tonight.
  • McBobbin
    McBobbin Posts: 12,051
    SELR_addicks said:
    The big question now is for the final, should Kane start? 

    Both strikers have shown more in their respective sub appearances than Kane has done all tournament. 
    Also top scoring for England, and won the penalty today. He hasn't been great but then having strikers come off the bench and win games is a good tactic as well
  • KiwiValley
    KiwiValley Posts: 3,379
    How the heck does Watkins get MotM? He was on for five minutes and touched the ball what three times (including, yes his great goal).
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,318
    KiwiValley said:
    How the heck does Watkins get MotM? He was on for five minutes and touched the ball what three times (including, yes his great goal).
    Should have been Mainoo
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,846
    Kane does feel like a weak link at the moment, he just haven't the mobility at the moment needed to be the main no 9 in this system. 

    Watkins or Toney would give the opposition centre backs a much harder time. 
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  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,853
    No coincidence we played best against a team that also showed some attacking intent. 


  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,881
    For the Kane bashers

    he had a good effort pushed away, won the penalty and scored it. He is miles ahead in the English goal scoring charts. No way is he or should he be dropped for the final. I’m 
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,764
    OptaJoe @OptaJoe
    7 - England have knocked out Netherlands, ranked 7th in the FIFA rankings - the highest ranked nation they have eliminated from a World Cup/EURO knockout tie since Spain in the EURO 1996 quarter-final (6th). Overcome.
  • charltonkeston
    charltonkeston Posts: 7,362
    DRAddick said:
    charltonkeston said:
    Still undefeated under Starmer. 

    If we lose the final Billyboy will blame Khan.
    Well it ain’t going to happen. Spain won’t have a clue what our game plan will be. Southgate is an absolute tactical genius. Shame it be his last game this weekend, I’ll miss his baffling loyalty for our centre half forward captain. 


  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,318
    Todds_right_hook said:
    For the Kane bashers

    he had a good effort pushed away, won the penalty and scored it. He is miles ahead in the English goal scoring charts. No way is he or should he be dropped for the final. I’m 
    Should Mbappe have been dropped against Spain?

    Hell NO... You dont ever drop your best players, as they can make something happen out of nothing.
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,952
    ForeverAddickted said:
    SELR_addicks said:
    The big question now is for the final, should Kane start? 

    Both strikers have shown more in their respective sub appearances than Kane has done all tournament. 
    Kane vs Olmo for the Golden Boot... Of course he'll start
    He will start, but should he start?
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,318
    edited July 2024
    North Lower Neil said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    SELR_addicks said:
    The big question now is for the final, should Kane start? 

    Both strikers have shown more in their respective sub appearances than Kane has done all tournament. 
    Kane vs Olmo for the Golden Boot... Of course he'll start
    He will start, but should he start?
    Yes... He's by far our best Striker, whether he's playing well or not at the moment... Only reason I wouldnt start him, is if he was being shoe-horned into a position elsewhere in the team, to accommodate another player.
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    Still can't work out why Southgate kept Harry Kane on so long when he can't do the runs that Watkins did straight away. 
    At least he gave him 12 minutes and has learnt from putting subs on in added time.
    In a sliding doors universal we lost in the last 16 to Slovakia and Southgate moves to the Australian outback but in this reality he at least eventually put Palmer on who can pass forward and Watkins who has been so frustrated the way he has been under used in this tournament.

    Take turns to kick the two Spanish kids and we have a chance.
    Spain have won 6 out of 6 but the best team doesn't always win so we are in it to win it.

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