The only way to beat Spain will be to hit them with pace . Must play Gordon and Watkins up front, bring Shaw in and decide between Bellingham and Foden.
For large parts of the game, Holland had 10 men begins the ball. In that situation and as he proved, Watkins is a threat.
the Spain game will be open. Bellingham and foden will have more time to pick passes. Kane is a finisher and to beat Spain, we need a finisher
I don’t get all the controversy on the penalty. He missed the ball and made contact with his studs on Kanes foot. Anywhere else on the pitch that’s a foul.
My thoughts were that it wasn't a penalty but Ian Wright made a good point that it would be a foul anywhere else on the pitch and I think he is right.
There's no way in hell Kane is fit by the way. Watkins made all the difference with us finally having some movement and having a striker where he is meant to be. The nerves roll on to Sunday!
The only way to beat Spain will be to hit them with pace . Must play Gordon and Watkins up front, bring Shaw in and decide between Bellingham and Foden.
Do think last night's formation would suit the Spain game as someone else said, Spain will put bodies forward and we can expose them. Shaw has to start for me.
Need better overall performances from Bellingham and Rice though. Thought they were both awful last night.
Anywhere else on the pitch that is a foul. But that's because it would have stopped the player continuing in a play.
Kane got the shot off, the play was over.
Really wasn't a penalty in my opinion but I'll take it all day.
Are those the laws of the game? You can foul someone and not be penalised provided they “get the shot off”?
I’m pretty sure a foul is a foul wherever it takes place on the pitch and the only time it isn’t given is if the referee gives advantage to the fouled team.
Anywhere else on the pitch that is a foul. But that's because it would have stopped the player continuing in a play.
Kane got the shot off, the play was over.
Really wasn't a penalty in my opinion but I'll take it all day.
It shouldn't have been a foul because the play was over?
Beckham got sent off, because he lashed out at Simeone, AFTER the Referee had blown his whistle for an England free kick!! - I mean just because the ball goes out of play, doesnt give players the right to do what they want.
If anything you're saying why it should have been a penalty... Kane got kicked after the ball had gone - Rule No.1 when you go in for a challenge is you have to get the ball, if you dont, and get the man, you're asking for trouble.
Anywhere else on the pitch that is a foul. But that's because it would have stopped the player continuing in a play.
Kane got the shot off, the play was over.
Really wasn't a penalty in my opinion but I'll take it all day.
It shouldn't have been a foul because the play was over?
Beckham got sent off, because he lashed out at Simeone, AFTER the Referee had blown his whistle for an England free kick!! - I mean just because the ball goes out of play, doesnt give players the right to do what they want.
Remember Rufus getting sent off at Newcastle in our first game in the premier. A corner was about to be taken and Rufus fouled Shearer, he was sent off, no pen as the ball was dead. Play restarted with the corner.
Social media full of England dont deserve it, the ref was shit, most boring team ever……hahahaha let me lick them European tears.
I love us being shithouses. Get in.
Can’t see how England don’t deserve it. England were the better team for the majority of the first half - in fact that was one of the best performances of any nation in the tournament as a whole. Second half was a bit more scrappy, but England scored an excellent winner.
Wasn’t even as though England nicked it, it was a well deserved win against a decent team.
Anywhere else on the pitch that is a foul. But that's because it would have stopped the player continuing in a play.
Kane got the shot off, the play was over.
Really wasn't a penalty in my opinion but I'll take it all day.
It shouldn't have been a foul because the play was over?
Beckham got sent off, because he lashed out at Simeone, AFTER the Referee had blown his whistle for an England free kick!! - I mean just because the ball goes out of play, doesnt give players the right to do what they want.
If anything you're saying why it should have been a penalty... Kane got kicked after the ball had gone - Rule No.1 when you go in for a challenge is you have to get the ball, if you dont, and get the man, you're asking for trouble.
Violent conduct is different from a challenge.
All I'm saying is to me, he was going for the ball and it was a fair attempt at going for the ball. Clearly the commentators and the annoying yank on itv agreed.
Really interesting how I've seen loads of people sure it was, and loads of people sure it wasn't a penalty.
Anywhere else on the pitch that is a foul. But that's because it would have stopped the player continuing in a play.
Kane got the shot off, the play was over.
Really wasn't a penalty in my opinion but I'll take it all day.
It shouldn't have been a foul because the play was over?
Beckham got sent off, because he lashed out at Simeone, AFTER the Referee had blown his whistle for an England free kick!! - I mean just because the ball goes out of play, doesnt give players the right to do what they want.
If anything you're saying why it should have been a penalty... Kane got kicked after the ball had gone - Rule No.1 when you go in for a challenge is you have to get the ball, if you dont, and get the man, you're asking for trouble.
Violent conduct is different from a challenge.
All I'm saying is to me, he was going for the ball and it was a fair attempt at going for the ball. Clearly the commentators and the annoying yank on itv agreed.
Really interesting how I've seen loads of people sure it was, and loads of people sure it wasn't a penalty.
I've criticised Southgate's lack of attacking intent and have credited him on getting us this far with "his" tactics, but last night just compounds the thinking that his way isn't the only way.
That was the best we've played not just in this tournament but for a little while now and it took us going a goal down to see that change in play and really took the game to Holland, there is no reason why we cant play like that from the off other than its not what Southgate wants, being cautious has its merits sure but last night was the first good test against a fairly gung ho nation and did they batter us for daring to go on the attack?
No, no they didnt.
Take that attitude and game to Spain on Sunday and we really will have a chance.
Great match, great winner, was it a pen? harsh, but then, Lampard scored in 2010 so, meh.
All the talk of the pen but we also had Foden off the line and hitting the post, plus the goal disallowed by millimetres. Apart from the Dutch hitting the top of the bar from a set piece we didn't really give them anything. It was a dodgy decision but no question we deserved to win that game.
Anywhere else on the pitch that is a foul. But that's because it would have stopped the player continuing in a play.
Kane got the shot off, the play was over.
Really wasn't a penalty in my opinion but I'll take it all day.
It shouldn't have been a foul because the play was over?
Beckham got sent off, because he lashed out at Simeone, AFTER the Referee had blown his whistle for an England free kick!! - I mean just because the ball goes out of play, doesnt give players the right to do what they want.
If anything you're saying why it should have been a penalty... Kane got kicked after the ball had gone - Rule No.1 when you go in for a challenge is you have to get the ball, if you dont, and get the man, you're asking for trouble.
Violent conduct is different from a challenge.
All I'm saying is to me, he was going for the ball and it was a fair attempt at going for the ball. Clearly the commentators and the annoying yank on itv agreed.
Really interesting how I've seen loads of people sure it was, and loads of people sure it wasn't a penalty.
Glad Kane made such a meal of it.
Thing is modern boots are so thin it probably hurt like hell and he will be bruised this morning.
I've criticised Southgate's lack of attacking intent and have credited him on getting us this far with "his" tactics, but last night just compounds the thinking that his way isn't the only way.
That was the best we've played not just in this tournament but for a little while now and it took us going a goal down to see that change in play and really took the game to Holland, there is no reason why we cant play like that from the off other than its not what Southgate wants, being cautious has its merits sure but last night was the first good test against a fairly gung ho nation and did they batter us for daring to go on the attack?
No, no they didnt.
Take that attitude and game to Spain on Sunday and we really will have a chance.
Great match, great winner, was it a pen? harsh, but then, Lampard scored in 2010 so, meh.
I think the mistake made by the Dutch was they went a goal up, and then decided to continue playing like they've done the rest of the Tournament and thought they could make it 2-0 / 3-0.
What they ended up doing, was giving our forward players the space we've been crying out for this Tournament, we've also shown that we're pretty good (even before last night) that we're good at keeping the ball now, hence why it wasn't a surprise when we dominated the midfield battle
Its why they realised their f**k up at HT so went tighter, meaning the game reverted in the second half to what we've seen for the majority of our games.
Spain won't make the same mistake, they've taken the lead against Germany and France, and have sat back. It initially failed against the Germans, and were lucky in some ways to get the win, proving we can hurt them in turn.
I've criticised Southgate's lack of attacking intent and have credited him on getting us this far with "his" tactics, but last night just compounds the thinking that his way isn't the only way.
That was the best we've played not just in this tournament but for a little while now and it took us going a goal down to see that change in play and really took the game to Holland, there is no reason why we cant play like that from the off other than its not what Southgate wants, being cautious has its merits sure but last night was the first good test against a fairly gung ho nation and did they batter us for daring to go on the attack?
No, no they didnt.
Take that attitude and game to Spain on Sunday and we really will have a chance.
Great match, great winner, was it a pen? harsh, but then, Lampard scored in 2010 so, meh.
straight after they scored I thought this could actually be to our advantage as it would mean we will go more attacking to equalise.
Anywhere else on the pitch that is a foul. But that's because it would have stopped the player continuing in a play.
Kane got the shot off, the play was over.
Really wasn't a penalty in my opinion but I'll take it all day.
If the play was over and the player challenged and didn’t get the ball, surely a foul then?
Agreed. We cried ‘pen!’ at the time because he went to block the ball with his studs up, but missed the ball and made contact with Kane’s foot. It’s still a foul even if the player got the shot (or pass off).
At the time I thought Saka did brilliantly not only to get the ball across but in a really dangerous way, and nobody even tried to get on the end of it.
Dumfries post-match view on the penalty he conceded.
"It is not smart of me but you do everything to keep the ball out of the goal. We touch each other but it is difficult for me to say now. The decision was made and I have to accept it and move on."
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the Spain game will be open. Bellingham and foden will have more time to pick passes. Kane is a finisher and to beat Spain, we need a finisher
Need better overall performances from Bellingham and Rice though. Thought they were both awful last night.
Kane got the shot off, the play was over.
Really wasn't a penalty in my opinion but I'll take it all day.
Beckham got sent off, because he lashed out at Simeone, AFTER the Referee had blown his whistle for an England free kick!! - I mean just because the ball goes out of play, doesnt give players the right to do what they want.
If anything you're saying why it should have been a penalty... Kane got kicked after the ball had gone - Rule No.1 when you go in for a challenge is you have to get the ball, if you dont, and get the man, you're asking for trouble.
off at Newcastle in our first game in the premier. A corner was about to be taken and Rufus fouled Shearer, he was sent off, no pen as the ball was dead. Play restarted with the corner.
All I'm saying is to me, he was going for the ball and it was a fair attempt at going for the ball. Clearly the commentators and the annoying yank on itv agreed.
Really interesting how I've seen loads of people sure it was, and loads of people sure it wasn't a penalty.
Glad Kane made such a meal of it.
That was the best we've played not just in this tournament but for a little while now and it took us going a goal down to see that change in play and really took the game to Holland, there is no reason why we cant play like that from the off other than its not what Southgate wants, being cautious has its merits sure but last night was the first good test against a fairly gung ho nation and did they batter us for daring to go on the attack?
No, no they didnt.
Take that attitude and game to Spain on Sunday and we really will have a chance.
Great match, great winner, was it a pen? harsh, but then, Lampard scored in 2010 so, meh.
What they ended up doing, was giving our forward players the space we've been crying out for this Tournament, we've also shown that we're pretty good (even before last night) that we're good at keeping the ball now, hence why it wasn't a surprise when we dominated the midfield battle
Its why they realised their f**k up at HT so went tighter, meaning the game reverted in the second half to what we've seen for the majority of our games.
Spain won't make the same mistake, they've taken the lead against Germany and France, and have sat back. It initially failed against the Germans, and were lucky in some ways to get the win, proving we can hurt them in turn.
Our main issue in the final.
"It is not smart of me but you do everything to keep the ball out of the goal. We touch each other but it is difficult for me to say now. The decision was made and I have to accept it and move on."