Rewatched the foul on Kane again. Not only did Dumfries challenge for the ball studs up, he also had two feet off the ground while doing it…
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It’s not a two footed challenge, football would be almost impossible to play with one foot on the ground at anytime.
I never said two footed, I said two feet off the ground. Two feet off the ground -> not in control -> reckless attempt to win the ball.
Maybe that’s a harsh interpretation but whatever. Maybe those are rarely given in the past because he got a shot off, who cares.
If anyone can point me to the law of the game that says “no foul if the fouled players gets a shot away” then I’ll hold my hands up.
It’s one where the referees always end up playing chicken on the decision when it’s a clear as day foul anywhere else on the pitch.
If we’re talking about making the game more consistent and less subjective so that fans can understand it, this should always be a foul.
I am not sure I think it is a penalty but if the ball is in play and a foul occurs in the penalty area it is a foul. If Kane had laid it off to a colleague and had his foot clipped, he had completed his action (in the same way he had completed his shot), people would say it is a penalty. I still think it was beyond harsh.
I think it was a foul but a penalty feels harsh. I know that seems like an odd sentence but to give away an 80%(ish) chance of a goal for something that doesn’t actually impact the play is harsh. It’s the same with marginal handballs. I don’t think there’s an answer to it though, just the way the game has gone
The fact of the matter is that it was a penalty because that was the ref’s decision however be honest folks if that was given against us in the playoff final we would all be in meltdown
To be fair the referee didnt call it... VAR did. When a referee gets told to go look at the monitor now, it feels its more because VAR believes the referee has made a mistake, and needs to change his mind, or its because they failed to spot it.
If anything it proves once again why VAR or the Officials can't ever be perfect - There will always be decisions that will create debate, and there always be one side of the argument that'll be left disappointed.
To be fair the referee didnt call it... VAR did. When a referee gets told to go look at the monitor now, it feels its more because VAR believes the referee has made a mistake, and needs to change his mind, or its because they failed to spot it.
If anything it proves once again why VAR or the Officials can't ever be perfect - There will always be decisions that will create debate, and there always be one side of the argument that'll be left disappointed.
It should never have gone to VAR as it wasn’t a clear and obvious error.
We have had things go against usincluding against the dutch and have had to suck it in. I suggest the Dutch do what we had to do. Had we not got the penalty reasonably early we may have won by more, who knows? Nobody does. We won and we are in the final and that would have been the message if it went against us.
To be fair the referee didnt call it... VAR did. When a referee gets told to go look at the monitor now, it feels its more because VAR believes the referee has made a mistake, and needs to change his mind, or its because they failed to spot it.
If anything it proves once again why VAR or the Officials can't ever be perfect - There will always be decisions that will create debate, and there always be one side of the argument that'll be left disappointed.
Dumfries went in to tackle Kane with his foot very high and his studs showing, after Kane had touched the ball past him, he kicked Kane .. this was inside the penalty area, clear foul = penalty And Koeman was moaning about it ? .. long time ago but after his foul on Platt ? .. excuse my Dutch, Fuck Him
To be fair the referee didnt call it... VAR did. When a referee gets told to go look at the monitor now, it feels its more because VAR believes the referee has made a mistake, and needs to change his mind, or its because they failed to spot it.
If anything it proves once again why VAR or the Officials can't ever be perfect - There will always be decisions that will create debate, and there always be one side of the argument that'll be left disappointed.
Dumfries went in to tackle Kane with his foot very high and his studs showing, after Kane had touched the ball past him, he kicked Kane .. this was inside the penalty area, clear foul = penalty And Koeman was moaning about it ? .. long time ago but after his foul on Platt ? .. excuse my Dutch, Fuck Him
He should have been sent off for going into the tackle studs first.
Since winning the WC in 66 we have had diabolical luck starting in 70 with the bracelet incident with Captain Moore and Gordon Bank being given food poisoning by a Chef who had a German mother !
Red cards, goals disallowed even if the ball was yards over the line and good goals rules off for petty infringements by England. So many tournaments where luck and a few players not believing meant we were always the bridesmaid.
Ok. I can at least die content now as I have been saying since 1990 that penalty shoot outs aren't a lottery. At last now that has been accepted even if you still rely on the keeper falling for the eyes (not in Toney's case !) 😂
I’ve been surprised how much flak the team have received during the tournament. Yes, they haven’t been massively exciting, but the key to winning tournaments is being hard to beat.
When they’ve needed to step up a level, they have done. If they can step up again against Spain, with a little bit of luck they can win the tournament. History in the making.
You may find this hard to believe, but I'm not an England fan...
However, my feeling is that it's all a bit reminiscent of the Bobby Robson era.
Southgate's stewardship is more likely to be appreciated when he's gone.
Also, while I'm delighted to see graduates of the Charlton youth structures playing at the highest level, I may have to hide on Sunday (as well as never watch TV again if England win, apparently England won the World Cup once... 😋).
That's me, just bitter and twisted.
Well, I say just bitter and twisted, but I'll admit to having some personality flaws as well.
I’ve been surprised how much flak the team have received during the tournament. Yes, they haven’t been massively exciting, but the key to winning tournaments is being hard to beat.
When they’ve needed to step up a level, they have done. If they can step up again against Spain, with a little bit of luck they can win the tournament. History in the making.
You may find this hard to believe, but I'm not an England fan...
However, my feeling is that it's all a bit reminiscent of the Bobby Robson era.
Southgate's stewardship is more likely to be appreciated when he's gone.
Also, while I'm delighted to see graduates of the Charlton youth structures playing at the highest level, I may have to hide on Sunday (as well as never watch TV again if England win, apparently England won the World Cup once... 😋).
That's me, just bitter and twisted.
Well, I say just bitter and twisted, but I'll admit to having some personality flaws as well.
To be fair the referee didnt call it... VAR did. When a referee gets told to go look at the monitor now, it feels its more because VAR believes the referee has made a mistake, and needs to change his mind, or its because they failed to spot it.
If anything it proves once again why VAR or the Officials can't ever be perfect - There will always be decisions that will create debate, and there always be one side of the argument that'll be left disappointed.
It should never have gone to VAR as it wasn’t a clear and obvious error.
But for me it was a clear and obvious penalty. Said so when it happened. I can’t understand any of the arguments for it not being a pen. His studs were up, and even though he was trying to prevent or block the shot, it doesn’t matter. All he actually did was catch Kane’s foot. Not need to complicate it. 👍
To be fair the referee didnt call it... VAR did. When a referee gets told to go look at the monitor now, it feels its more because VAR believes the referee has made a mistake, and needs to change his mind, or its because they failed to spot it.
If anything it proves once again why VAR or the Officials can't ever be perfect - There will always be decisions that will create debate, and there always be one side of the argument that'll be left disappointed.
It should never have gone to VAR as it wasn’t a clear and obvious error.
But for me it was a clear and obvious penalty. Said so when it happened. I can’t understand any of the arguments for it not being a pen. His studs were up, and even though he was trying to prevent or block the shot, it doesn’t matter. All he actually did was catch Kane’s foot. Not need to complicate it. 👍
The ref didn’t miss it, he deemed it wasn’t a penalty and the fact that people’s opinions still differ having seen all the replays proves it wasn’t a clear and obvious error.
when refs are sent to view it again they are being told they’re wrong and while they can stick to their original ruling it’s very rare.
Said earlier that I’d want the penalty if it was me and be disappointed if it went against me.
anyway Saka handballed it to Kane in the first place 😉
To be fair the referee didnt call it... VAR did. When a referee gets told to go look at the monitor now, it feels its more because VAR believes the referee has made a mistake, and needs to change his mind, or its because they failed to spot it.
If anything it proves once again why VAR or the Officials can't ever be perfect - There will always be decisions that will create debate, and there always be one side of the argument that'll be left disappointed.
Dumfries went in to tackle Kane with his foot very high and his studs showing, after Kane had touched the ball past him, he kicked Kane .. this was inside the penalty area, clear foul = penalty And Koeman was moaning about it ? .. long time ago but after his foul on Platt ? .. excuse my Dutch, Fuck Him
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the absolutely naffing ridiculous part was Dumfries getting booked, it wasn't a nasty tackle just a high foot. That proved that ref is a clueless shambles - or still just as biddable as he always was.
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I fail to see the benefit of going on an on about it. What difference does it make if some think it shouldn't have been given?
If anything it proves once again why VAR or the Officials can't ever be perfect - There will always be decisions that will create debate, and there always be one side of the argument that'll be left disappointed.
It should never have gone to VAR as it wasn’t a clear and obvious error.
Besides, it gives Gary Lineker something other than politics to talk about for 15 minutes at half time
And Koeman was moaning about it ? .. long time ago but after his foul on Platt ? .. excuse my Dutch, Fuck Him
He should have been sent off for going into the tackle studs first.
Red cards, goals disallowed even if the ball was yards over the line and good goals rules off for petty infringements by England. So many tournaments where luck and a few players not believing meant we were always the bridesmaid.
Ok. I can at least die content now as I have been saying since 1990 that penalty shoot outs aren't a lottery.
At last now that has been accepted even if you still rely on the keeper falling for the eyes (not in Toney's case !)
😂
However, my feeling is that it's all a bit reminiscent of the Bobby Robson era.
Southgate's stewardship is more likely to be appreciated when he's gone.
Also, while I'm delighted to see graduates of the Charlton youth structures playing at the highest level, I may have to hide on Sunday (as well as never watch TV again if England win, apparently England won the World Cup once... 😋).
That's me, just bitter and twisted.
Well, I say just bitter and twisted, but I'll admit to having some personality flaws as well.
West Ham won that one!
when refs are sent to view it again they are being told they’re wrong and while they can stick to their original ruling it’s very rare.
Said earlier that I’d want the penalty if it was me and be disappointed if it went against me.
anyway Saka handballed it to Kane in the first place 😉
the absolutely naffing ridiculous part was Dumfries getting booked, it wasn't a nasty tackle just a high foot. That proved that ref is a clueless shambles - or still just as biddable as he always was.