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Stupidity Pt2
R0TW
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My son has just finished Bexley Grammar
Absolutely nailed his IB.
His maths teacher suggested they meet for a pint this evening.
Class all meet in pub to show their appreciation of his efforts in the class exceeding expectations.
Up pops Mrs Stupid who indicates this is not allowed under guidelines.
FFS, they are all 18 and grown adults.
Teacher comes in and apologised saying he wasn’t allowed to continue the get together.
If they all met in the street tomorrow and suggested having a pint, that would be deemed ok.
Thank fuck my son and his mates can see the idiocies in this schools stance.
Absolutely nailed his IB.
His maths teacher suggested they meet for a pint this evening.
Class all meet in pub to show their appreciation of his efforts in the class exceeding expectations.
Up pops Mrs Stupid who indicates this is not allowed under guidelines.
FFS, they are all 18 and grown adults.
Teacher comes in and apologised saying he wasn’t allowed to continue the get together.
If they all met in the street tomorrow and suggested having a pint, that would be deemed ok.
Thank fuck my son and his mates can see the idiocies in this schools stance.
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Struggle to find the relation between this story and the idea of being woke. Just seems like anything you don't like these days you just call it woke. Might as well shut the thread down now because it seems thoughtless.
When I worked for Greenwich Council on my term breaks some 20 years ago, we weren't even supposed to have a beer at lunch time. Was that woke?
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To be woke is to be prepared to stand up to racism.21
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Great Britain today for you..Not sure where you used the word woke though....R0TW said:My son has just finished Bexley Grammar
Absolutely nailed his IB.
His maths teacher suggested they meet for a pint this evening.
Class all meet in pub to show their appreciation of his efforts in the class exceeding expectations.
Up pops Mrs Stupid who indicates this is not allowed under guidelines.
FFS, they are all 18 and grown adults.
Teacher comes in and apologised saying he wasn’t allowed to continue the get together.
If they all met in the street tomorrow and suggested having a pint, that would be deemed ok.
Thank fuck my son and his mates can see the idiocies in this schools stance.1 -
I changed woke to stupidity in case someone told sir.3
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You mean the workerists who think this sort of behaviour is acceptable. BTW great post on the ashton thread and 100% agree.R0TW said:I changed woke to stupidity in case someone told sir.2 -
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AND bore the arse off of everyone...seth plum said:To be woke is to be prepared to stand up to racism.
There is stuff you just ain't allowed to do, I would be more worried that the educator in question, didn't realise he would kop shit for it!6 -
Sometimes woke is the same as professionalism6
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Isn’t this a classic example of wokeness ‘gone mad’ though? Woke means being awake to injustice. The line always trotted out in defence of the word woke because who would ever disagree that we should be awake to any injustices or prejudices of the world? If someone is subjected to offensive or racist/homophobic/sexist comments then they should be called out on it - everyone should be awake to the fact that that’s unacceptable. However, people digging out old racist comedy clips from the 60s and telling everyone how disgusting it is is when wokeness goes too far, given that rightly or wrongly, it was deemed acceptable at the time. In this case, we should absolutely be awake to child protection, ensure that all children are kept safe and are not taken advantage of by those in positions of authority. Let’s be awake to that. But a group of consenting 18 year olds who have finished their education having a celebratory drink with their teacher? Again, that’s where it goes too far and people need to get a grip. So I’d say ‘woke’ absolutely is the right term to use here.1
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Firstly, congrats to your son @ROTW
Who was Mrs Stupid? Sounds like a right jobsworth.
When we got our A-Level results every Bexley Grammar school teacher came back with us to the Moon & Sixpence in Welling and we all got rather hammered, way back in 1994. Happy days.
My daughter just finished her A-Levels at Gravesend Grammar (for Boys - she switched sixth forms from Mayfield Grammar after GCSEs) and the teachers laid on a BBQ on the school premises to celebrate the end of the A-Levels. I vaguely remember my daughter saying they couldn't go to the pub with them until they'd officially left the school. I'd have to check what she said though. Probably safeguarding and all that. Who knows in this day and age now huh?
Also intrigued - do they give out the IB results early? Because thats a massive advantage to those getting their A-Level results on the 17th Aug. I work in an Academic Department at Imperial College and we're under an embargo that we know the results but we're not allowed to tell anyone or discuss their places with them until the results go public on the 17th. If we get caught telling anyone, its a major offence and we could get barred from getting the results as early as we do.
(PS) Was it Mr Watkins? If so, he was the year below us at school 0 -
I don’t find racism against my wife, children or grandchildren particularly boring.soapy_jones said:
AND bore the arse off of everyone...seth plum said:To be woke is to be prepared to stand up to racism.
There is stuff you just ain't allowed to do, I would be more worried that the educator in question, didn't realise he would kop shit for it!
It is closer to threatening.
Stay woke everybody, the racists are all around, often in disguise.10 -
Not seen anyone mention racists in this thread except you, albeit I do agree with what you just said 100%.seth plum said:
I don’t find racism against my wife, children or grandchildren particularly boring.soapy_jones said:
AND bore the arse off of everyone...seth plum said:To be woke is to be prepared to stand up to racism.
There is stuff you just ain't allowed to do, I would be more worried that the educator in question, didn't realise he would kop shit for it!
It is closer to threatening.
Stay woke everybody, the racists are all around, often in disguise.
Maybe just stick to the original subject eh?15 -
Professional victim you. Must be such hard work.seth plum said:
I don’t find racism against my wife, children or grandchildren particularly boring.soapy_jones said:
AND bore the arse off of everyone...seth plum said:To be woke is to be prepared to stand up to racism.
There is stuff you just ain't allowed to do, I would be more worried that the educator in question, didn't realise he would kop shit for it!
It is closer to threatening.
Stay woke everybody, the racists are all around, often in disguise.18 -
You are wrong.ValleyGary said:
Professional victim you. Must be such hard work.seth plum said:
I don’t find racism against my wife, children or grandchildren particularly boring.soapy_jones said:
AND bore the arse off of everyone...seth plum said:To be woke is to be prepared to stand up to racism.
There is stuff you just ain't allowed to do, I would be more worried that the educator in question, didn't realise he would kop shit for it!
It is closer to threatening.
Stay woke everybody, the racists are all around, often in disguise.
Can you explain why you have personalised? Are you a professional attack dog? If you are it must be such hard work.7 -
I believe the misuse of the word woke as a catch all term diminishes the word as purely (and originally) a word about staying awake to racism.cafc999 said:
Not seen anyone mention racists in this thread except you, albeit I do agree with what you just said 100%.seth plum said:
I don’t find racism against my wife, children or grandchildren particularly boring.soapy_jones said:
AND bore the arse off of everyone...seth plum said:To be woke is to be prepared to stand up to racism.
There is stuff you just ain't allowed to do, I would be more worried that the educator in question, didn't realise he would kop shit for it!
It is closer to threatening.
Stay woke everybody, the racists are all around, often in disguise.
Maybe just stick to the original subject eh?
Then applying the word ‘woke’ to silly things undermines the strength of the term as being about standing up to racists.
A teacher being warned or stopped from being over familiar with students is it’s own issue about power relationships and so on, it is nothing to do with wokeness as has been suggested.4 -
Yawnseth plum said:
I believe the misuse of the word woke as a catch all term diminishes the word as purely (and originally) a word about staying awake to racism.cafc999 said:
Not seen anyone mention racists in this thread except you, albeit I do agree with what you just said 100%.seth plum said:
I don’t find racism against my wife, children or grandchildren particularly boring.soapy_jones said:
AND bore the arse off of everyone...seth plum said:To be woke is to be prepared to stand up to racism.
There is stuff you just ain't allowed to do, I would be more worried that the educator in question, didn't realise he would kop shit for it!
It is closer to threatening.
Stay woke everybody, the racists are all around, often in disguise.
Maybe just stick to the original subject eh?
Then applying the word ‘woke’ to silly things undermines the strength of the term as being about standing up to racists.
A teacher being warned or stopped from being over familiar with students is it’s own issue about power relationships and so on, it is nothing to do with wokeness as has been suggested.10 -
jeez for someone with such set opinions you don't half have a thin skin.seth plum said:
You are wrong.ValleyGary said:
Professional victim you. Must be such hard work.seth plum said:
I don’t find racism against my wife, children or grandchildren particularly boring.soapy_jones said:
AND bore the arse off of everyone...seth plum said:To be woke is to be prepared to stand up to racism.
There is stuff you just ain't allowed to do, I would be more worried that the educator in question, didn't realise he would kop shit for it!
It is closer to threatening.
Stay woke everybody, the racists are all around, often in disguise.
Can you explain why you have personalised? Are you a professional attack dog? If you are it must be such hard work.5 -
Pro victim. Simmer down.seth plum said:
You are wrong.ValleyGary said:
Professional victim you. Must be such hard work.seth plum said:
I don’t find racism against my wife, children or grandchildren particularly boring.soapy_jones said:
AND bore the arse off of everyone...seth plum said:To be woke is to be prepared to stand up to racism.
There is stuff you just ain't allowed to do, I would be more worried that the educator in question, didn't realise he would kop shit for it!
It is closer to threatening.
Stay woke everybody, the racists are all around, often in disguise.
Can you explain why you have personalised? Are you a professional attack dog? If you are it must be such hard work.4 -
Yet another attempt to dehumanise by referring to a person as an ‘it’ I see.0
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Always found it a bit weird adult teachers wanting to socialise with teenagers, particularly involving alcohol.15
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I’d have a beer with my football manager when I played Kent youth. Personally don’t see the problem.AFKABartram said:Always found it a bit weird adult teachers wanting to socialise with teenagers, particularly involving alcohol.4 -
These things can only really be determined on a case by case basis tbh. If the teacher isn't skeezy and respects the necessary boundaries I don't see a problem with it. At my school there was a maths teacher who married a former pupil of his, which always struck me as a bit dicey, even if he was a youngish teacher at the time. But hey, if everyone's an adult, then I don't really see the issue3
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My school goes K1 through 12 and the A level teachers got pretty upset when we called em all wronguns for going out with the students for graduation.AFKABartram said:Always found it a bit weird adult teachers wanting to socialise with teenagers, particularly involving alcohol.0 -
Another thread being hijacked.
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Perhaps Stu didn't want to assume your gender identity.seth plum said:Yet another attempt to dehumanise by referring to a person as an ‘it’ I see.1 -
Exactly, it gets upset over everything else, not worth the risk.southamptonaddick said:
Perhaps Stu didn't want to assume your gender identity.seth plum said:Yet another attempt to dehumanise by referring to a person as an ‘it’ I see.6 -
It isn’t woke, it isn’t new. It is the law.
What any individual adult does in their own personal time is a matter for them.
However within in any formal organisation any person of authority/ influence be it in education, coaching or the normal workplace has a duty of care notably to those of a certain age in not putting them at risk. Does it happen? Of course it does. However if you as the person in authority choose to influence others you do so at YOUR own risk.
25yrs ago my brother was a Partner in a Civil Engineering Company who having won a very good contract, on the spur of the moment, chose to take the office staff out for a celebratory drink. A relatively new 18yr old clerk not wishing to be seen to be unsocial was coerced into joining the group and unfortunately drank to excess to the point of needing hospital attention.
My brother as the authority figure spent a very uncomfortable few hours at the hospital as the young man slowly recovered. The Medical staff made it very clear they were hugely unimpressed positioning he had breached a basic duty of care. Had the lad needed to have been kept in overnight they would have informed the police.
I suggest no two sets of circumstances are ever really the same (no one can really know how any young person can handle their drink) thus a risk exists. Whether you wish to take or mitigate such risk is entirely up to you.
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It's interesting as a topic but I wonder if those playing the "woke gone mad" card would view it the same if this were an all girl school and a male teacher suggested his students meet him in the pub after their exams. It could be entirely innocent, and assuming all parties are adults, nothing illegal, but I suspect not.AFKABartram said:Always found it a bit weird adult teachers wanting to socialise with teenagers, particularly involving alcohol.
There's a residual power imbalance in the teacher/pupil relationship so I can see why it might be frowned upon and subject to some safeguarding measures.
I say this as someone who was bought beer (when underage) by teachers on a school trip. No one was harmed, no one lost their job but thinking about it it was a pretty daft thing for them to do even back then.2 -
Once again another post attempting to dehumanise a person by calling them an ‘it’.8
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