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  • Yann897
    Yann897 Posts: 1,530
    wmcf123 said:
    Yann897 said:
    wmcf123 said:
    Yann897 said:
    wmcf123 said:
    RonnieMoore said:
    Yann897 said:
    TellyTubby said:
    @Yann897 said:
    "Give me Berry and Docherty any day over Dobson, People will soon see."

    I have to agree, although unfortunately the rules don't allow us to replace one player with 2. We have to stick with 11 on the pitch at any one time. I would therefore prefer to have stuck with Dobbo.
    So two players that have proven it in the championship and you’d rather have mid table Dobson, I’m actually looking forward to people looking like fools once they see Berry and Docherty play.
    Dobson not in the same league as Berry and Docherty , he never played higher then league one mid table 
    Of course you’ve never seen either play for us and they are both over 30:
    Again not a clue … Docherty is 27.
    Thanks - I made a mistake; I was talking about Godden. Of course, you’ve never seen any of them play for us .  
    Well Iv watched 3 friendlies so technically we have seen them play for us but also seen them for previous clubs and rated both for a few seasons and surprised they’ve both dropped down to us, think people are forgetting how buzzing we were to sign both but of course we played bad against afc Wimbledon so everyone’s forgot about that.
    I’d rather be you than me - you buzz away with optimism.  
    I’d rather be me to mate 👍🏻
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,375
    wmcf123 said:
    crookester said:
    wmcf123 said:
    Yann897 said:
    wmcf123 said:
    cafcsinger said:
    Yann897 said:
    https://x.com/gabsutton/status/1818179727657689368?s=46&t=h5Lx2bbeSHc7F8-dpZyDbA

    An interesting read, Journalist predicting 4th for us.
    Decent preview but the paragraph....

    'A high-pedigree group remains in commanding centre-back Lloyd Jones, intelligent left-sided defender Macauley Gillesphey, tenacious wing-back Tennai Watson, and Carrick-caricature Conor Coventry'. Feels like he's just picked a random few names out the bag, none of the those had a particularly good season last year at all. 
    He’s just never seen any of them play 
    He’s a league 1/2 journalist so I’m sure he has, yeah we had a bad season last season but we’ve seen glimpses of good players and they were decent at previous clubs it must be the Charlton curse but I’m not sure I get the fascination of slagging off our players at every opportunity we need to get behind them this season. 
    Comparing Coventry to Carrick suggests otherwise 
    He's nowhere near as good, obviously, but that is exactly the style of player that Coventry is. 
    I don’t think he’d be playing in league one if he had Carrick’s attributes .  
    Of course not, but they are/were holding midfielders who are more passers than hard tackling ball winners.
  • Athletico Charlton
    Athletico Charlton Posts: 14,273
    CL_Phantom said:
    "We need to be like Peterborough and be signing the hidden gems!"
    "WHY are we signing Dixon, Ahadme, Mitchell we need more Champ level players!!!1111!!!!!133!!"
    "Why are we singing Godden, Berry, Docherty and Begovic! They're past it! We need to be signing the next Begovic!"

    ad infinitum

    Said absolutely no one.
    These posts digging out our own fans for saying things no one ever said are odd imo.
  • southamptonaddick
    southamptonaddick Posts: 4,054
    J BLOCK said:
    Chunes said:
    I read a comment that "Begovic gifted Plymouth 2 points" so looked up the game.

    The goal is at 1:45 for anyone interested.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIjn59o5DR4
    Yeah that's bad keeping 
    Because no goalkeeper ever makes a mistake.  :(
  • Gisappointed
    Gisappointed Posts: 987
    edited July 2024
    Todds_right_hook said:
    Southbank said:
    Yann897 said:
    TellyTubby said:
    @Yann897 said:
    "Give me Berry and Docherty any day over Dobson, People will soon see."

    I have to agree, although unfortunately the rules don't allow us to replace one player with 2. We have to stick with 11 on the pitch at any one time. I would therefore prefer to have stuck with Dobbo.
    So two players that have proven it in the championship and you’d rather have mid table Dobson, I’m actually looking forward to people looking like fools once they see Berry and Docherty play.
    As neither Berry nor Docherty are defensive mids I struggle to get your point. The comparison will be with Coventry (sincerely hope he learns to tackle).
    Didn’t someone put a post on here showing that coventrys tackle percentage was comparable to dobsons? 
    Someone posted that as a fact, top of L1, then another posted actual stats showing Coventry had made slightly more than one tackle a game. I'd want wingers to achieve that, let alone our main CDM. It all went a bit quiet after that
  • FishCostaFortune
    FishCostaFortune Posts: 10,773
    Gisappointed said:
    Todds_right_hook said:
    Southbank said:
    Yann897 said:
    TellyTubby said:
    @Yann897 said:
    "Give me Berry and Docherty any day over Dobson, People will soon see."

    I have to agree, although unfortunately the rules don't allow us to replace one player with 2. We have to stick with 11 on the pitch at any one time. I would therefore prefer to have stuck with Dobbo.
    So two players that have proven it in the championship and you’d rather have mid table Dobson, I’m actually looking forward to people looking like fools once they see Berry and Docherty play.
    As neither Berry nor Docherty are defensive mids I struggle to get your point. The comparison will be with Coventry (sincerely hope he learns to tackle).
    Didn’t someone put a post on here showing that coventrys tackle percentage was comparable to dobsons? 
    Someone posted that as a fact, top of L1, then another posted actual stats showing Coventry had made slightly more than one tackle a game. I'd want wingers to achieve that, let alone our main CDM. It all went a bit quiet after that
    Where are the stats from? I don’t know how accurate it is, but I just looked at whoscored and it had Coventry as making 2.2 tackles and 1.9 interceptions per game.

    Dobson as a comparison was 2.9 tackles and 1.3 interceptions.
  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 21,252
    Gisappointed said:
    Todds_right_hook said:
    Southbank said:
    Yann897 said:
    TellyTubby said:
    @Yann897 said:
    "Give me Berry and Docherty any day over Dobson, People will soon see."

    I have to agree, although unfortunately the rules don't allow us to replace one player with 2. We have to stick with 11 on the pitch at any one time. I would therefore prefer to have stuck with Dobbo.
    So two players that have proven it in the championship and you’d rather have mid table Dobson, I’m actually looking forward to people looking like fools once they see Berry and Docherty play.
    As neither Berry nor Docherty are defensive mids I struggle to get your point. The comparison will be with Coventry (sincerely hope he learns to tackle).
    Didn’t someone put a post on here showing that coventrys tackle percentage was comparable to dobsons? 
    Someone posted that as a fact, top of L1, then another posted actual stats showing Coventry had made slightly more than one tackle a game. I'd want wingers to achieve that, let alone our main CDM. It all went a bit quiet after that
    I think you'll find I posted actual stats about it the last time @Southbank bleated on about Coventry not being able to tackle. He's in the top 10% of tackles per 90 mins in the the league and had a higher intercept rate than Dobson, but apparently that's not good enough

  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 21,252
    FishCostaFortune said:
    Gisappointed said:
    Todds_right_hook said:
    Southbank said:
    Yann897 said:
    TellyTubby said:
    @Yann897 said:
    "Give me Berry and Docherty any day over Dobson, People will soon see."

    I have to agree, although unfortunately the rules don't allow us to replace one player with 2. We have to stick with 11 on the pitch at any one time. I would therefore prefer to have stuck with Dobbo.
    So two players that have proven it in the championship and you’d rather have mid table Dobson, I’m actually looking forward to people looking like fools once they see Berry and Docherty play.
    As neither Berry nor Docherty are defensive mids I struggle to get your point. The comparison will be with Coventry (sincerely hope he learns to tackle).
    Didn’t someone put a post on here showing that coventrys tackle percentage was comparable to dobsons? 
    Someone posted that as a fact, top of L1, then another posted actual stats showing Coventry had made slightly more than one tackle a game. I'd want wingers to achieve that, let alone our main CDM. It all went a bit quiet after that
    Where are the stats from? I don’t know how accurate it is, but I just looked at whoscored and it had Coventry as making 2.2 tackles and 1.9 interceptions per game.

    Dobson as a comparison was 2.9 tackles and 1.3 interceptions.
    Yeah that's the stats I posted last time
  • CL_Phantom
    CL_Phantom Posts: 5,513
    edited July 2024
    Athletico Charlton said:
    CL_Phantom said:
    "We need to be like Peterborough and be signing the hidden gems!"
    "WHY are we signing Dixon, Ahadme, Mitchell we need more Champ level players!!!1111!!!!!133!!"
    "Why are we singing Godden, Berry, Docherty and Begovic! They're past it! We need to be signing the next Begovic!"

    ad infinitum

    Said absolutely no one.
    These posts digging out our own fans for saying things no one ever said are odd imo.
    How Odd.

    Calm down it's a joke.

    And I'm sure if anyone could be bothered there's probably one person questioning it, seeing as there always is such measured views, much like the begovic rumour, and how  over the last few pages berry and docherty have been deemed not good  enough to lace god like Dobson's boots because of one bad pre season loss and performance ,and, much like how Coventry will forever be ripped apart.

  • FishCostaFortune
    FishCostaFortune Posts: 10,773
    sam3110 said:
    FishCostaFortune said:
    Gisappointed said:
    Todds_right_hook said:
    Southbank said:
    Yann897 said:
    TellyTubby said:
    @Yann897 said:
    "Give me Berry and Docherty any day over Dobson, People will soon see."

    I have to agree, although unfortunately the rules don't allow us to replace one player with 2. We have to stick with 11 on the pitch at any one time. I would therefore prefer to have stuck with Dobbo.
    So two players that have proven it in the championship and you’d rather have mid table Dobson, I’m actually looking forward to people looking like fools once they see Berry and Docherty play.
    As neither Berry nor Docherty are defensive mids I struggle to get your point. The comparison will be with Coventry (sincerely hope he learns to tackle).
    Didn’t someone put a post on here showing that coventrys tackle percentage was comparable to dobsons? 
    Someone posted that as a fact, top of L1, then another posted actual stats showing Coventry had made slightly more than one tackle a game. I'd want wingers to achieve that, let alone our main CDM. It all went a bit quiet after that
    Where are the stats from? I don’t know how accurate it is, but I just looked at whoscored and it had Coventry as making 2.2 tackles and 1.9 interceptions per game.

    Dobson as a comparison was 2.9 tackles and 1.3 interceptions.
    Yeah that's the stats I posted last time
    It’s why ‘do your own research’ is such an important concept. 
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  • Gisappointed
    Gisappointed Posts: 987
    FishCostaFortune said:
    sam3110 said:
    FishCostaFortune said:
    Gisappointed said:
    Todds_right_hook said:
    Southbank said:
    Yann897 said:
    TellyTubby said:
    @Yann897 said:
    "Give me Berry and Docherty any day over Dobson, People will soon see."

    I have to agree, although unfortunately the rules don't allow us to replace one player with 2. We have to stick with 11 on the pitch at any one time. I would therefore prefer to have stuck with Dobbo.
    So two players that have proven it in the championship and you’d rather have mid table Dobson, I’m actually looking forward to people looking like fools once they see Berry and Docherty play.
    As neither Berry nor Docherty are defensive mids I struggle to get your point. The comparison will be with Coventry (sincerely hope he learns to tackle).
    Didn’t someone put a post on here showing that coventrys tackle percentage was comparable to dobsons? 
    Someone posted that as a fact, top of L1, then another posted actual stats showing Coventry had made slightly more than one tackle a game. I'd want wingers to achieve that, let alone our main CDM. It all went a bit quiet after that
    Where are the stats from? I don’t know how accurate it is, but I just looked at whoscored and it had Coventry as making 2.2 tackles and 1.9 interceptions per game.

    Dobson as a comparison was 2.9 tackles and 1.3 interceptions.
    Yeah that's the stats I posted last time
    It’s why ‘do your own research’ is such an important concept. 

    sam3110 said:
    FishCostaFortune said:
    Gisappointed said:
    Todds_right_hook said:
    Southbank said:
    Yann897 said:
    TellyTubby said:
    @Yann897 said:
    "Give me Berry and Docherty any day over Dobson, People will soon see."

    I have to agree, although unfortunately the rules don't allow us to replace one player with 2. We have to stick with 11 on the pitch at any one time. I would therefore prefer to have stuck with Dobbo.
    So two players that have proven it in the championship and you’d rather have mid table Dobson, I’m actually looking forward to people looking like fools once they see Berry and Docherty play.
    As neither Berry nor Docherty are defensive mids I struggle to get your point. The comparison will be with Coventry (sincerely hope he learns to tackle).
    Didn’t someone put a post on here showing that coventrys tackle percentage was comparable to dobsons? 
    Someone posted that as a fact, top of L1, then another posted actual stats showing Coventry had made slightly more than one tackle a game. I'd want wingers to achieve that, let alone our main CDM. It all went a bit quiet after that
    Where are the stats from? I don’t know how accurate it is, but I just looked at whoscored and it had Coventry as making 2.2 tackles and 1.9 interceptions per game.

    Dobson as a comparison was 2.9 tackles and 1.3 interceptions.
    Yeah that's the stats I posted last time.

    Link please, I can find no mention.
  • Gisappointed
    Gisappointed Posts: 987
    Link please.

    Stat I have is that he has played 75 games (no idea how many minutes/sub on/off in five seasons. 

    Why, if he is a ball-winning midfielder with good distribution?
  • sillav nitram
    sillav nitram Posts: 10,163
    FishCostaFortune said:
    Chunes said:
    FishCostaFortune said:
    QPR must have quality defenders and shit strikers then because they had the 8th best goals against last season.

    Imagine where they would have finished if they had a better goalkeeper and some decent goalscorers. 
    Yeah but to be fair, Craig Macgillivray finished 3rd in League One for clean sheets in 21/22 while playing for us and I don't think many would be singing his praises as a goalkeeper.
    Well lots were singing his praises before he came to us considering he got Portsmouth fan player of the year with 64% of the vote.

    What does that show? That ultimately peoples opinions, no matter how many years they have been going to watch their team play - is just that an opinion - and is not indicative of how they will play for Charlton.

    Fine to voice your concerns like Callum has done. But to essentially write him off because of what’s been said on social media is just silly in my view.

    For what it’s worth, he’s not the keeper I would want, but I doubt he will be ‘the cheap’ option either. So the coaching and scouting team must have some faith that he is not past it.
    So, does that mean we’ve signed him?
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,375
    Gisappointed said:
    Link please.

    Stat I have is that he has played 75 games (no idea how many minutes/sub on/off in five seasons. 

    Why, if he is a ball-winning midfielder with good distribution?
    For most of that time he was a young player developing and proving himself. All four of his loans were half season loans and he moved to us halfway through the season too, so he's never had the chance to play 35/40+ games a season for one club.
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,347
    CAFCsayer said:
    I really rate Coventry, he isn't going to make gut busting runs and be sliding everywhere, but think he has all of the tools to play the Cullen role. Think we will see the best of him having a full pre-season under Jones, having ramsay and small either side of an engertic midfield
    Don't doubt your take just hope we can all agree there will be no more excuses for Coventry next season and its time he lives up to his billing. 
  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 21,252
    Gisappointed said:
    Link please.

    Stat I have is that he has played 75 games (no idea how many minutes/sub on/off in five seasons. 

    Why, if he is a ball-winning midfielder with good distribution?
    I can't be arsed with trawling all the way back through the posts about it, if you want to know that badly go look it up yourself or find it within my previous posts. I get bored just typing out half my own comments, I don't want to go back a re-read all of them just to provide evidence that's already readily available to someone with half a brain, Google and 2 minutes to spare
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,760
    67 EFL appearances in the last three seasons for Conor Coventry. Across the same timeframe, he’s only missed / not been picked for 12 games & eight of those were with Championship clubs.

    Charlton (L1 23/24): 
    - played in 17 of 21 fixtures

    Rotherham (Championship 22/23):
    - played in 16 of 18 fixtures

    MK Dons (L1 21/22):
    - played in 22 of 22 fixtures

    Peterborough (Championship 21/22):
    - played in 12 of 18 fixtures





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    To_Be_Franck Posts: 1,095
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  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,002
    JonT_Abs said:
    Begović is giving me Ben Watson vibes / PTSD 
    It's different for goalkeepers though. If you sign an aging midfielder then there's a strong chance his legs are going/have gone, but that doesn't matter for a keeper as many play well into their late 30s and some even into their early 40s.

    He played 46 times for QPR last season so i'd say he's more than capable of playing in league one.

    All we need to look at is whether he'd be an improvement on what we have and i think the answer to that has to be a firm yes.
  • KiwiValley
    KiwiValley Posts: 3,379
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    JonT_Abs said:
    Begović is giving me Ben Watson vibes / PTSD 
    It's different for goalkeepers though. If you sign an aging midfielder then there's a strong chance his legs are going/have gone, but that doesn't matter for a keeper as many play well into their late 30s and some even into their early 40s.

    He played 46 times for QPR last season so i'd say he's more than capable of playing in league one.

    All we need to look at is whether he'd be an improvement on what we have and i think the answer to that has to be a firm yes.
    Slightly oversimplified. The next goal keeper needs to be better, yes, but at a price that is proportionate to the improvement and not at the expense of spending for better outcomes elsewhere on the pitch.
  • thai malaysia addick
    thai malaysia addick Posts: 18,333
    If there is one point that seems to be overlooked, it’s the theory that the best teams are often where the team as a whole exceeds the sum of the parts. Yes, we know Man City get the best ‘parts’, but in League One, teams have to function well. NJ seems to have a plan. Whether the shake-up and new ‘parts’ will bring success is hard to judge. However, for the first time since Curbs’ and Powell’s teams, I do feel there is an attempt to build a team. I’m not sure 24-25 will be our big season but if we can put 10 years of mediocrity behind us and succeed in 25-26, that will be a very good turnaround for any business, let alone a poorly-run football club.
  • Hal1x
    Hal1x Posts: 4,265
    cafcfan said:
    Why all this guff about tackling? I've posted this many times before but Paolo Maldini, deemed to be one of the world's best ever defenders made an average of 19 tackles. That's not per game but per season! Over a 25-year career. That's an average of half a tackle per match.  He is quoted as saying "If I have to make a tackle then I have already made a mistake."  

    I think that applies just as much to midfielders as defenders. What we should be striving for is not a player that runs all over the pitch getting booked every game but a player that knows and keeps to his position, reads the game, remains calm and in control.  I have no idea if Coventry is that player. I guess we will find out this season.
    Im aware of Paolo Maldini, I have seen Paolo Maldini, Conor Coventry is no Paolo Maldini.
  • SidewaysInOz
    SidewaysInOz Posts: 1,340
    thai malaysia addick said:
    If there is one point that seems to be overlooked, it’s the theory that the best teams are often where the team as a whole exceeds the sum of the parts. Yes, we know Man City get the best ‘parts’, but in League One, teams have to function well. NJ seems to have a plan. Whether the shake-up and new ‘parts’ will bring success is hard to judge. However, for the first time since Curbs’ and Powell’s teams, I do feel there is an attempt to build a team. I’m not sure 24-25 will be our big season but if we can put 10 years of mediocrity behind us and succeed in 25-26, that will be a very good turnaround for any business, let alone a poorly-run football club.
    Agree. Norwich in the mid to late 80's and early 90's definitely fell under this banner.
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,167
    cafcfan said:
    Why all this guff about tackling? I've posted this many times before but Paolo Maldini, deemed to be one of the world's best ever defenders made an average of 19 tackles. That's not per game but per season! Over a 25-year career. That's an average of half a tackle per match.  He is quoted as saying "If I have to make a tackle then I have already made a mistake."  

    I think that applies just as much to midfielders as defenders. What we should be striving for is not a player that runs all over the pitch getting booked every game but a player that knows and keeps to his position, reads the game, remains calm and in control.  I have no idea if Coventry is that player. I guess we will find out this season.
    Yep. I much preferred when we moved Dobson further forward and he started winning the ball high up the pitch and forcing counters than when he was haring about the place at the back and leaving holes in front of the defence for the opposition to exploit. For every crunching tackle he won he'd not get near one and the opposition would have an overload down the middle. Part of us conceding fewer goals will be less of a focus on individuals doing one job and more on the collective shape and movement
  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 21,252
    Lower tackle rate and higher interception rate suggests Coventry covers the passing lanes more, instead of relying on man on man coverage like Dobson did. Different types of players and some will see it as a negative because he won't be the all action player Dobson was for us
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,300
    Hal1x said:
    cafcfan said:
    Why all this guff about tackling? I've posted this many times before but Paolo Maldini, deemed to be one of the world's best ever defenders made an average of 19 tackles. That's not per game but per season! Over a 25-year career. That's an average of half a tackle per match.  He is quoted as saying "If I have to make a tackle then I have already made a mistake."  

    I think that applies just as much to midfielders as defenders. What we should be striving for is not a player that runs all over the pitch getting booked every game but a player that knows and keeps to his position, reads the game, remains calm and in control.  I have no idea if Coventry is that player. I guess we will find out this season.
    Im aware of Paolo Maldini, I have seen Paolo Maldini, Conor Coventry is no Paolo Maldini.
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