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Conceding Goals From Distance
Mendonca In Asdas
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A couple more goals conceded earlier in the week, from shots outside the box.
Surely our ‘statistical analysis’ would pick up on this, and put it in plain language to our coaching team.
Is it a weakness of the goalie (doesn’t like shots from distance) or the midfield not doing their job properly and closing people down?
I thought this would be a simple thing to correct, and work on, but obviously not.
Cmon lads we need the points, you’ve got to put in a shift and get the job done (Apologies for turning into Mike Bassett).
Surely our ‘statistical analysis’ would pick up on this, and put it in plain language to our coaching team.
Is it a weakness of the goalie (doesn’t like shots from distance) or the midfield not doing their job properly and closing people down?
I thought this would be a simple thing to correct, and work on, but obviously not.
Cmon lads we need the points, you’ve got to put in a shift and get the job done (Apologies for turning into Mike Bassett).
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Not sure it’s on Mannion, purely from memory the actual strikes have been pretty good and hard to save. Sinclair’s was right in the corner, Savage’s hit the post and went in etc. There’s something structurally wrong, I think our defence sits too deep and then the midfield naturally sit really deep too which leaves enough of a gap to take a touch and get an accurate shot away5
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It's the free man not being marked that has time to take a touch, set themself then shoot every time.6
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Has Mannion actually saved a shot on target from outside the box?0
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Surely the more relevant question is should he have saved any of them?guinnessaddick said:Has Mannion actually saved a shot on target from outside the box?
From memory theyve all flown into the corner.11 -
100% this. He'll concede goal after goal if the opposition are allowed free shots that pick out the corner.Off_it said:
Surely the more relevant question is should he have saved any of them?guinnessaddick said:Has Mannion actually saved a shot on target from outside the box?
From memory theyve all flown into the corner.
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I think it is hard to blame Mannion. You can ask should we close them down better but ultimately it is a bit crazy, against us, the percentages for league one players being able to do this. Look at our shots to get a better idea what should be happening.0
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Mendonca In Asdas said:A couple more goals conceded earlier in the week, from shots outside the box.
Surely our ‘statistical analysis’ would pick up on this, and put it in plain language to our coaching team.
Is it a weakness of the goalie (doesn’t like shots from distance) or the midfield not doing their job properly and closing people down?
I thought this would be a simple thing to correct, and work on, but obviously not.
Cmon lads we need the points, you’ve got to put in a shift and get the job done (Apologies for turning into Mike Bassett).
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The closing down has been terrible, and given players the chance to pick a spot, Mannion can't have done much about any of them2
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But if we have a penalty, I'd tip us to miss it. Even average teams at this level have players who can shoot accurately from distance, we don't even have players who can shoot accurately from close range!1
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They are not "from distance" ffs ! Tuesday nights goals were from the edge of the box. Standard goals imo. "Distance" goals are from 25 yards plus.
Just because we don't shoot from that range doesn't mean there is anything special about them. Standard fare imo.
We did actually have a shot "from distance" as you would say. Free kick just before half time. Would have said their players & keeper were at fault if that had gone in ? Nah....doubt it.
It's just that we have been accustomed to seeing our players not scoring from the edge of the box.3 -
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I don’t think Mannion is at fault for any of those long distance goals .0
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Uh oh. Is Mannion already going down the Ben Amos route with some supporters?
Think once Amos left we realised how good he actually was and that a lot of those long range efforts that went past him were pretty much unsavable.
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I think this is closest, although Berry barely having a defensive bone in his body is another factor. And yeah, sheer bad luckfenaddick said:Not sure it’s on Mannion, purely from memory the actual strikes have been pretty good and hard to save. Sinclair’s was right in the corner, Savage’s hit the post and went in etc. There’s something structurally wrong, I think our defence sits too deep and then the midfield naturally sit really deep too which leaves enough of a gap to take a touch and get an accurate shot away0 -
lack of closing down near out areas and a keeper either too slow to see the shot or too slow to move his feet in the right direction in an attempt to save a long distance shot5
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How were any of the shots saveable? Name oneLincsaddick said:lack of closing down near out areas and a keeper either too slow to see the shot or too slow to move his feet in the right direction in an attempt to save a long distance shot2 -
Give it a day and there'll be another one to worry about.0
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Agreed, would need to see the Bristol Rovers 1st and 2nd goals again feel Mannion’s footwork or lack of it may have been a factor for both goals. They were not worldies you’d like to think your keeper would be getting a hand to those efforts.Lincsaddick said:lack of closing down near out areas and a keeper either too slow to see the shot or too slow to move his feet in the right direction in an attempt to save a long distance shot
ultimately though the midfield giving the players all the time in the world to pick there spot is the root cause of these goals.4 -
The extended highlights here show that both goals were pretty much right next to the post, very hard to save those. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqmfsI6mprMMartinCAFC said:
Agreed, would need to see the Bristol Rovers 1st and 2nd goals again feel Mannion’s footwork or lack of it may have been a factor for both goals. They were not worldies you’d like to think your keeper would be getting a hand to those efforts.Lincsaddick said:lack of closing down near out areas and a keeper either too slow to see the shot or too slow to move his feet in the right direction in an attempt to save a long distance shot
ultimately though the midfield giving the players all the time in the world to pick there spot is the root cause of these goals.
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nothing wrong with the keeper, the closing down is abysmal
I think the Rotherham one was the worst from memory, the fella had 20 yards to run into and pick his spot unchallenged
the defence aren't blameless, but the closing down 30+ yards out has to start with the frontmen/midfield4 -
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Hard agree. Amos was top drawer at this level. Unfairly blamed for those goals IMO.AllHailTheHen said:Uh oh. Is Mannion already going down the Ben Amos route with some supporters?
Think once Amos left we realised how good he actually was and that a lot of those long range efforts that went past him were pretty much unsavable.2 -
The second one, Anderson's starting position is basically the penalty spot. In his effort to drop back and help us defend he actually blew itfenaddick said:
It’s the first time I’ve seen longer versions of these goals. The first one is annoying because someone is tight to him and then Berry just lets him run across him into space. The second one we’re just too slow to close downfenaddick said:
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It’s proper youth player trying too hard stuff and should be easy to fix. If he can improve those elements of his game I think fans would rate him higherLeuth said:
The second one, Anderson's starting position is basically the penalty spot. In his effort to drop back and help us defend he actually blew itfenaddick said:
It’s the first time I’ve seen longer versions of these goals. The first one is annoying because someone is tight to him and then Berry just lets him run across him into space. The second one we’re just too slow to close downfenaddick said:
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He also needs to stop giving simple passes directly to the opposition.fenaddick said:
It’s proper youth player trying too hard stuff and should be easy to fix. If he can improve those elements of his game I think fans would rate him higherLeuth said:
The second one, Anderson's starting position is basically the penalty spot. In his effort to drop back and help us defend he actually blew itfenaddick said:
It’s the first time I’ve seen longer versions of these goals. The first one is annoying because someone is tight to him and then Berry just lets him run across him into space. The second one we’re just too slow to close downfenaddick said:
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And stop being caught so badly wrong side of his man that he ends up running directly behind him.0 -
Of course, I wasn’t saying that’s his only issue but if your positioning allows you to make noticeable blocks our fan base will lap it up. It’s one of the things people loved Pearce forChunes said:
He also needs to stop giving simple passes directly to the opposition.fenaddick said:
It’s proper youth player trying too hard stuff and should be easy to fix. If he can improve those elements of his game I think fans would rate him higherLeuth said:
The second one, Anderson's starting position is basically the penalty spot. In his effort to drop back and help us defend he actually blew itfenaddick said:
It’s the first time I’ve seen longer versions of these goals. The first one is annoying because someone is tight to him and then Berry just lets him run across him into space. The second one we’re just too slow to close downfenaddick said:
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And stop being caught so badly wrong side of his man that he ends up running directly behind him.0 -
I agree. Anderson follows their No.7 for 1 stride too far and then was probably 1 stride away from getting a block in on the shot or at least force the scorer to miss or pass the ball wider. We dont seem to be able to make the most of these small errors when the opposition makes them.Leuth said:
The second one, Anderson's starting position is basically the penalty spot. In his effort to drop back and help us defend he actually blew itfenaddick said:
It’s the first time I’ve seen longer versions of these goals. The first one is annoying because someone is tight to him and then Berry just lets him run across him into space. The second one we’re just too slow to close downfenaddick said:
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Still undecided re Mannion but in my heyday I’d have looked a shorter version of him making a dive and being nowhere near the ball as well
footwork and positioning is a massive part of it , I’m not convinced one way or t’other just yet
imagine one day when we have players who can grow a pair and can actually shoot with some power and accuracy regularly , I suppose we need a wooden defence and midfield closing us down to achieve that1 -
The midfield not willing to take one and put their bodies in the way of the shot.1
