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JamesSeed said:With our boys being older now we’re looking a buying a smaller (EV) car to replay our much loved Skoda Yeti. My wife has a salary sacrifice scheme for buying EVs right now, so seems like a goot time to go electric.We hired a Fiat Cinquecento in Italy and absolutely loved it, but there really isn’t enough room in the back for the occasions when we do need to travel as a family for more than a few miles.So we’re looking at the currently available EVs:
Volvo EX30
Mini ?
Citroen ë-C3
Fiat 600
Renault 5
Renault 4
or the soon to be available:
Hyundai Inster (cheaper and smaller than the above, but quite interesting).
https://youtu.be/WT7swFbkdV4?si=lbwErSJTLy6_-Unx
Haven't really done much research yet, so this is the long list.Any other suggestions for a smaller EV?VW ID3. Mrs Hex sat in one while we were in the decision process. She immediately felt at home. It was just like the Jazz.And the Kia Niro is good.1 -
My point is they are a vanity exercise for a lot of people and follow the fashion of cars that are too big. Why not have golf sized electic cars? Why have tanks? The smaller ones I understood/understand.1
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Some people have larger families or extended families and all that goes with that.MuttleyCAFC said:My point is they are a vanity exercise for a lot of people and follow the fashion of cars that are too big. Why not have golf sized electic cars? Why have tanks?0 -
There are golf-sized EVs and smaller !!!!!! Most are smaller !!!!!MuttleyCAFC said:My point is they are a vanity exercise for a lot of people and follow the fashion of cars that are too big. Why not have golf sized electic cars? Why have tanks?
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And some people don't. I know a few in that category.ShootersHillGuru said:
Some people have larger families or extended families and all that goes with that.MuttleyCAFC said:My point is they are a vanity exercise for a lot of people and follow the fashion of cars that are too big. Why not have golf sized electic cars? Why have tanks?0 -
My daughter has a family of 5, a 6,3 husband, two teenage sons both approaching six foot and a younger one. Not gonna fit in a Golf!MuttleyCAFC said:My point is they are a vanity exercise for a lot of people and follow the fashion of cars that are too big. Why not have golf sized electic cars? Why have tanks?1 -
Are there many BYDs around in the UK? Very good value here in China and am very close to getting one.0
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I've seen a few around recently. I do like the Skoda Elroq, I've got the Karoq at the moment.Stu_of_Kunming said:Are there many BYDs around in the UK? Very good value here in China and am very close to getting one.0 -
With petrol cars there are people carriers, why not have electric people carriers for people who need the space.eaststandmike said:
My daughter has a family of 5, a 6,3 husband, two teenage sons both approaching six foot and a younger one. Not gonna fit in a Golf!MuttleyCAFC said:My point is they are a vanity exercise for a lot of people and follow the fashion of cars that are too big. Why not have golf sized electic cars? Why have tanks?2 -
I've never had a problem with the charging infrastructure here in the UK, other than how much extra it costs vs charging at home. That being said there's no getting around the range. I travel from the South to Scotland every now and then and it's an extra 1.5 hours to the journey to charge0
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100% I was just referring to your “Golf” comment. As an aside my daughter does not have a garage or any off road parking so whilst living at this house she would need to leave a trailing power lead across the pavement which is not allowed.MuttleyCAFC said:
With petrol cars there are people carriers, why not have electric people carriers for people who need the space.eaststandmike said:
My daughter has a family of 5, a 6,3 husband, two teenage sons both approaching six foot and a younger one. Not gonna fit in a Golf!MuttleyCAFC said:My point is they are a vanity exercise for a lot of people and follow the fashion of cars that are too big. Why not have golf sized electic cars? Why have tanks?So the notion electric cars will be the norm anytime soon is fantasy.1 -
Bexley Council have started to convert lamp posts into charging points, there's one about 50m from my house. Not sure how much they will charge to use it.eaststandmike said:
100% I was just referring to your “Golf” comment. As an aside my daughter does not have a garage or any off road parking so whilst living at this house she would need to leave a trailing power lead across the pavement which is not allowed.MuttleyCAFC said:
With petrol cars there are people carriers, why not have electric people carriers for people who need the space.eaststandmike said:
My daughter has a family of 5, a 6,3 husband, two teenage sons both approaching six foot and a younger one. Not gonna fit in a Golf!MuttleyCAFC said:My point is they are a vanity exercise for a lot of people and follow the fashion of cars that are too big. Why not have golf sized electic cars? Why have tanks?So the notion electric cars will be the norm anytime soon is fantasy.2 -
We’ve got a Renault Megane Etech, and before a Renault Zoe, and it’s absolutely fine, drove to the Netherlands in May and it was great, and the amount of utter shite none EV owners talk about them in funny
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I don’t know what you mean about people ‘following the fashion of cars that are too big.’MuttleyCAFC said:My point is they are a vanity exercise for a lot of people and follow the fashion of cars that are too big. Why not have golf sized electic cars? Why have tanks? The smaller ones I understood/understand.Big cars isn’t an EV thing at all. I just posted a list of some smaller EVs. There are loads of them.2 -
Big cars are a trend generally, not just in EV's. I read an article recently which says that cars are, on average, getting wider by 1cm every 2 years. This explains why parking spaces seem to be so much tighter these days.2
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It is allowed, I believe.eaststandmike said:
100% I was just referring to your “Golf” comment. As an aside my daughter does not have a garage or any off road parking so whilst living at this house she would need to leave a trailing power lead across the pavement which is not allowed.MuttleyCAFC said:
With petrol cars there are people carriers, why not have electric people carriers for people who need the space.eaststandmike said:
My daughter has a family of 5, a 6,3 husband, two teenage sons both approaching six foot and a younger one. Not gonna fit in a Golf!MuttleyCAFC said:My point is they are a vanity exercise for a lot of people and follow the fashion of cars that are too big. Why not have golf sized electic cars? Why have tanks?So the notion electric cars will be the norm anytime soon is fantasy.
‘There are no legal restrictions in place but, under the Highway Act, councils do have the power to remove any cables they think are in unsuitable locations. The Local Government Association advises that electric car charging cables should only run over pavements or footways when the vehicle is charging and that they should be removed as soon as possible.’There are five or six EVs in my street and no off street parking. All of the lampposts have charging sockets.I think the data is clear that EVs will dominate in four or five years, as the technology improves and prices come down, and in 2035 production of petrol & diesel cars will end.0 -
All of the ones in my street are charging points, and have been for about a year. I don’t think the council supply the electricity do they? I believe the cost is higher than using overnight home charging on the cheap rate. But still relatively cheap.guinnessaddick said:
Bexley Council have started to convert lamp posts into charging points, there's one about 50m from my house. Not sure how much they will charge to use it.eaststandmike said:
100% I was just referring to your “Golf” comment. As an aside my daughter does not have a garage or any off road parking so whilst living at this house she would need to leave a trailing power lead across the pavement which is not allowed.MuttleyCAFC said:
With petrol cars there are people carriers, why not have electric people carriers for people who need the space.eaststandmike said:
My daughter has a family of 5, a 6,3 husband, two teenage sons both approaching six foot and a younger one. Not gonna fit in a Golf!MuttleyCAFC said:My point is they are a vanity exercise for a lot of people and follow the fashion of cars that are too big. Why not have golf sized electic cars? Why have tanks?So the notion electric cars will be the norm anytime soon is fantasy.1 -
Being reported that a number of EV's have exploded after the batteries being submerged by flood waters in Florida.
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My car will be replaced sometime in spring 2025 and I’m certainly considering an EV. I definitely have reservations though. I’ll be able to charge at home on the drive and these days the vast bulk of my journeys will be covered by the range of a new EV. However. I do make the journey to London and also to Devon and it will really irk me that when visiting both, neither will be able to offer me access to a charge without me disappearing off to find a supermarket or available street charger. It’s just not convenient and there will no doubt be other occasions I find myself in a similar situation. The charging infrastructure is without doubt the biggest put off for me. Quite how people in terraced, semi detached and flats even consider opting for an EV is beyond me. Yes I’ve also heard that lampposts are being converted into charging points but looking at the parking in your average street of terraced houses that’s also going to be insufficient and will still entail cables on the floor causing trip hazards. I’ve also heard of poles attached to houses allowing for the charge cable to be held above the pavement. I’m sorry but this all sounds like pie in the sky to me. The charging infrastructure thus far in the U.K. is woefully inadequate.eaststandmike said:
100% I was just referring to your “Golf” comment. As an aside my daughter does not have a garage or any off road parking so whilst living at this house she would need to leave a trailing power lead across the pavement which is not allowed.MuttleyCAFC said:
With petrol cars there are people carriers, why not have electric people carriers for people who need the space.eaststandmike said:
My daughter has a family of 5, a 6,3 husband, two teenage sons both approaching six foot and a younger one. Not gonna fit in a Golf!MuttleyCAFC said:My point is they are a vanity exercise for a lot of people and follow the fashion of cars that are too big. Why not have golf sized electic cars? Why have tanks?So the notion electric cars will be the norm anytime soon is fantasy.0 -
not really @Stu_of_Kunming - they have amassive import tax slapped on them, so not quite the bargain over hereStu_of_Kunming said:Are there many BYDs around in the UK? Very good value here in China and am very close to getting one.
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Is it is it right that to have a charger installed at home is on the ball park of £750/£1000 ?
To my mind not sure that level of cost gets payback compared to supermarket / lamp post charging especially if your mileage is relatively low.
I also suspect (any) government will inevitably ‘load’ EV charging in the future as pump levies decline.2 -
Showmetheway2gohome said:
No thats e bikes and e scooters that blow up the cars a perfectly safe supposedly.Dansk_Red said:Being reported that a number of EV's have exploded after the batteries being submerged by flood waters in Florida.Not every EV flooded by storm surge goes up in flames but it’s become frequent enough that insurers, car makers, fire chiefs and politicians have all issued warnings to EV owners in advance of the expected devastation of Hurricane Milton. And it’s not just cars that are a concern.
Jimmy Patronis, Florida’s chief financial officer and state fire marshal, issued a statement on Monday detailing a string of fires in the wake of Hurricane Helene, which flooded much of the Gulf Coast just two week ago. The state found 50,000 EV and hybrid registrations in the path of Hurricane Milton’s storm surge and counted at least 64 lithium battery fires after Hurricane Helene. EVs accounted for 17 of those but the rest were devices like scooters, hoverboards and golf carts. One fire was even sparked by an electric wheelchair.
Geico, a major insurer of cars in Florida, sent an email on Wednesday citing Patronis’ statement to its policyholders warning them about the threat for EVs and suggesting looking for protected parking areas. Tesla also sent a push notification to cars warning owners to move to higher ground.
The threat of lithium battery fires, which are difficult to extinguish, could worsen damage to homes and buildings after floods, he said.
“The average citizen I guarantee you does not realize they have a liability in their house with the salt water flooding,” Patronis told the Miami Herald in an interview on Wednesday. He called flooded lithium-ion batteries “ticking time bombs” that could cause worse damage than the storms that damaged them.
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Buy a new EV and you’ll often get a free home charger inc installation.valleynick66 said:Is it is it right that to have a charger installed at home is on the ball park of £750/£1000 ?
To my mind not sure that level of cost gets payback compared to supermarket / lamp post charging especially if your mileage is relatively low.
I also suspect (any) government will inevitably ‘load’ EV charging in the future as pump levies decline.
Home charging can be up to 80% cheaper than public charging if you charge overnight.3 -
Yea mine was a grand but got £300 government grant off so only £700 out of my own pocket. That was back in 2021.valleynick66 said:Is it is it right that to have a charger installed at home is on the ball park of £750/£1000 ?
To my mind not sure that level of cost gets payback compared to supermarket / lamp post charging especially if your mileage is relatively low.
I also suspect (any) government will inevitably ‘load’ EV charging in the future as pump levies decline.
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That’s my point really. Not sure any are completely free. Discounted yes.JamesSeed said:
Buy a new EV and you’ll often get a free home charger inc installation.valleynick66 said:Is it is it right that to have a charger installed at home is on the ball park of £750/£1000 ?
To my mind not sure that level of cost gets payback compared to supermarket / lamp post charging especially if your mileage is relatively low.
I also suspect (any) government will inevitably ‘load’ EV charging in the future as pump levies decline.
Home charging can be up to 80% cheaper than public charging if you charge overnight.Still ponder if that cost achieves absolute payback. I accept however convenience has a value.0 -
Thanks. £700 then possibly more now too I guess.O-Randy-Hunt said:
Yea mine was a grand but got £300 government grant off so only £700 out of my own pocket. That was back in 2021.valleynick66 said:Is it is it right that to have a charger installed at home is on the ball park of £750/£1000 ?
To my mind not sure that level of cost gets payback compared to supermarket / lamp post charging especially if your mileage is relatively low.
I also suspect (any) government will inevitably ‘load’ EV charging in the future as pump levies decline.Depends how easy to run a cable from your drive through to your fuse box I guess to be a ‘standard ’ installation.1 -
valleynick66 said:
That’s my point really. Not sure any are completely free. Discounted yes.JamesSeed said:
Buy a new EV and you’ll often get a free home charger inc installation.valleynick66 said:Is it is it right that to have a charger installed at home is on the ball park of £750/£1000 ?
To my mind not sure that level of cost gets payback compared to supermarket / lamp post charging especially if your mileage is relatively low.
I also suspect (any) government will inevitably ‘load’ EV charging in the future as pump levies decline.
Home charging can be up to 80% cheaper than public charging if you charge overnight.But also will that 80% be maintained as government flex tax/duties?Still ponder if that cost achieves absolute payback. I accept however convenience has a value.
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The residuals on EV cars are still poor. There are Porsche Taycans going at CRAZY low prices (relatively) at the moment. Perhaps driven by the incredible deals company car buyers have got over the last 2-3 years and now the market is saturated by second hand ones.0
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With some cars they’re 100% free. But even if you pay a grand you’ll get that back pretty quickly if you charge at home on the reduced o/n rate, and do a reasonable mileage. It’s a no brainer in my situation.valleynick66 said:
That’s my point really. Not sure any are completely free. Discounted yes.JamesSeed said:
Buy a new EV and you’ll often get a free home charger inc installation.valleynick66 said:Is it is it right that to have a charger installed at home is on the ball park of £750/£1000 ?
To my mind not sure that level of cost gets payback compared to supermarket / lamp post charging especially if your mileage is relatively low.
I also suspect (any) government will inevitably ‘load’ EV charging in the future as pump levies decline.
Home charging can be up to 80% cheaper than public charging if you charge overnight.Still ponder if that cost achieves absolute payback. I accept however convenience has a value.My friend has solar panels so his charging is, and always will be, free.0 -
Out of interest which are offering completely free still?JamesSeed said:
With some cars they’re 100% free. But even if you pay a grand you’ll get that back pretty quickly if you charge at home on the reduced o/n rate, and do a reasonable mileage. It’s a no brainer in my situation.valleynick66 said:
That’s my point really. Not sure any are completely free. Discounted yes.JamesSeed said:
Buy a new EV and you’ll often get a free home charger inc installation.valleynick66 said:Is it is it right that to have a charger installed at home is on the ball park of £750/£1000 ?
To my mind not sure that level of cost gets payback compared to supermarket / lamp post charging especially if your mileage is relatively low.
I also suspect (any) government will inevitably ‘load’ EV charging in the future as pump levies decline.
Home charging can be up to 80% cheaper than public charging if you charge overnight.Still ponder if that cost achieves absolute payback. I accept however convenience has a value.My friend has solar panels so his charging is, and always will be, free.0
