Alfie May- Progress at Birmingham

Scoham said:

eaststandmike said:

supaclive said:

Callumcafc said:

oohaahmortimer said:

Alfie May would improve our team , so not happy he left but everyone half decent leaves us cos we are a minge of a club 

How would he do that? We’ve already got a player who scores goals at this level, at about the same clip and for cheaper.

Alfie May is hands down better than Godden.  Not a fully fit Leaburn but come on now Callum.

Behave!

I would take May over a fully fit Leaburn, I can’t ever see Miles being a regular 20+ goal a season striker 

Maybe not, but all going well he has potential to play at a far higher than May ever will.

We will see, Alfie will be in the Championship next season 

eaststandmike said:

Scoham said:

eaststandmike said:

supaclive said:

Callumcafc said:

oohaahmortimer said:

Alfie May would improve our team , so not happy he left but everyone half decent leaves us cos we are a minge of a club 

How would he do that? We’ve already got a player who scores goals at this level, at about the same clip and for cheaper.

Alfie May is hands down better than Godden.  Not a fully fit Leaburn but come on now Callum.

Behave!

I would take May over a fully fit Leaburn, I can’t ever see Miles being a regular 20+ goal a season striker 

Maybe not, but all going well he has potential to play at a far higher than May ever will.

We will see, Alfie will be in the Championship next season 

Of course Alfie will, but Leaburn is unlikely to be in L1 much longer either. He’s got to prove himself again after his injury, but not many teenagers have a scoring record like him along with height, decent pace, ability on the ball and strength. Stay fit and he won’t be short of interest.

se9addick said:

Scoham said:

eaststandmike said:

Scoham said:

eaststandmike said:

supaclive said:

Callumcafc said:

oohaahmortimer said:

Alfie May would improve our team , so not happy he left but everyone half decent leaves us cos we are a minge of a club 

How would he do that? We’ve already got a player who scores goals at this level, at about the same clip and for cheaper.

Alfie May is hands down better than Godden.  Not a fully fit Leaburn but come on now Callum.

Behave!

I would take May over a fully fit Leaburn, I can’t ever see Miles being a regular 20+ goal a season striker 

Maybe not, but all going well he has potential to play at a far higher than May ever will.

We will see, Alfie will be in the Championship next season 

Of course Alfie will, but Leaburn is unlikely to be in L1 much longer either. He’s got to prove himself again after his injury, but not many teenagers have a scoring record like him along with height, decent pace, ability on the ball and strength. Stay fit and he won’t be short of interest.

So…wouldn’t Leaburn and May be a great strike force for a League One team? 

Especially with Tupac on the wing with someone to actually aim for after he skins a couple of defenders, as he is now doing for fun. 

se9addick said:

Scoham said:

eaststandmike said:

Scoham said:

eaststandmike said:

supaclive said:

Callumcafc said:

oohaahmortimer said:

Alfie May would improve our team , so not happy he left but everyone half decent leaves us cos we are a minge of a club 

How would he do that? We’ve already got a player who scores goals at this level, at about the same clip and for cheaper.

Alfie May is hands down better than Godden.  Not a fully fit Leaburn but come on now Callum.

Behave!

I would take May over a fully fit Leaburn, I can’t ever see Miles being a regular 20+ goal a season striker 

Maybe not, but all going well he has potential to play at a far higher than May ever will.

We will see, Alfie will be in the Championship next season 

Of course Alfie will, but Leaburn is unlikely to be in L1 much longer either. He’s got to prove himself again after his injury, but not many teenagers have a scoring record like him along with height, decent pace, ability on the ball and strength. Stay fit and he won’t be short of interest.

So…wouldn’t Leaburn and May be a great strike force for a League One team? 

Definitely, that’s obvious. I wasn’t defending the sale of May.

To put my original point a different way, when May was Leaburn’s age he was playing non-league football.

If things go well for May he’ll have played a few seasons of Championship football by the end of his career.

If things go well for Leaburn that should be the bare minimum he achieves. I’m talking about where Leaburn could get to in his late 20s/early 30s. Of course he’s not that player yet, and he might never be.

se9addick said:

PragueAddick said:

se9addick said:

Scoham said:

eaststandmike said:

Scoham said:

eaststandmike said:

supaclive said:

Callumcafc said:

oohaahmortimer said:

Alfie May would improve our team , so not happy he left but everyone half decent leaves us cos we are a minge of a club 

How would he do that? We’ve already got a player who scores goals at this level, at about the same clip and for cheaper.

Alfie May is hands down better than Godden.  Not a fully fit Leaburn but come on now Callum.

Behave!

I would take May over a fully fit Leaburn, I can’t ever see Miles being a regular 20+ goal a season striker 

Maybe not, but all going well he has potential to play at a far higher than May ever will.

We will see, Alfie will be in the Championship next season 

Of course Alfie will, but Leaburn is unlikely to be in L1 much longer either. He’s got to prove himself again after his injury, but not many teenagers have a scoring record like him along with height, decent pace, ability on the ball and strength. Stay fit and he won’t be short of interest.

So…wouldn’t Leaburn and May be a great strike force for a League One team? 

Especially with Tupac on the wing with someone to actually aim for after he skins a couple of defenders, as he is now doing for fun. 

I mean that’s the other benefit of not selling the best striker in the division, we could play a talented academy graduate in his actual position.

I mean sure TC would play in his natural position but May has consistently been poor as a solo striker and you’d be playing 433. You’d need someone like Leaburn on the wing for his height so someone gets shifted out of position anyway

fenaddick said:

se9addick said:

PragueAddick said:

se9addick said:

Scoham said:

eaststandmike said:

Scoham said:

eaststandmike said:

supaclive said:

Callumcafc said:

oohaahmortimer said:

Alfie May would improve our team , so not happy he left but everyone half decent leaves us cos we are a minge of a club 

How would he do that? We’ve already got a player who scores goals at this level, at about the same clip and for cheaper.

Alfie May is hands down better than Godden.  Not a fully fit Leaburn but come on now Callum.

Behave!

I would take May over a fully fit Leaburn, I can’t ever see Miles being a regular 20+ goal a season striker 

Maybe not, but all going well he has potential to play at a far higher than May ever will.

We will see, Alfie will be in the Championship next season 

Of course Alfie will, but Leaburn is unlikely to be in L1 much longer either. He’s got to prove himself again after his injury, but not many teenagers have a scoring record like him along with height, decent pace, ability on the ball and strength. Stay fit and he won’t be short of interest.

So…wouldn’t Leaburn and May be a great strike force for a League One team? 

Especially with Tupac on the wing with someone to actually aim for after he skins a couple of defenders, as he is now doing for fun. 

I mean that’s the other benefit of not selling the best striker in the division, we could play a talented academy graduate in his actual position.

I mean sure TC would play in his natural position but May has consistently been poor as a solo striker and you’d be playing 433. You’d need someone like Leaburn on the wing for his height so someone gets shifted out of position anyway

I don’t follow this reasoning, sorry. Take yesterday’s second half line-up, replace Godden with Alfie and we win that game. 

FishCostaFortune said:

PragueAddick said:

fenaddick said:

se9addick said:

PragueAddick said:

se9addick said:

Scoham said:

eaststandmike said:

Scoham said:

eaststandmike said:

supaclive said:

Callumcafc said:

oohaahmortimer said:

Alfie May would improve our team , so not happy he left but everyone half decent leaves us cos we are a minge of a club 

How would he do that? We’ve already got a player who scores goals at this level, at about the same clip and for cheaper.

Alfie May is hands down better than Godden.  Not a fully fit Leaburn but come on now Callum.

Behave!

I would take May over a fully fit Leaburn, I can’t ever see Miles being a regular 20+ goal a season striker 

Maybe not, but all going well he has potential to play at a far higher than May ever will.

We will see, Alfie will be in the Championship next season 

Of course Alfie will, but Leaburn is unlikely to be in L1 much longer either. He’s got to prove himself again after his injury, but not many teenagers have a scoring record like him along with height, decent pace, ability on the ball and strength. Stay fit and he won’t be short of interest.

So…wouldn’t Leaburn and May be a great strike force for a League One team? 

Especially with Tupac on the wing with someone to actually aim for after he skins a couple of defenders, as he is now doing for fun. 

I mean that’s the other benefit of not selling the best striker in the division, we could play a talented academy graduate in his actual position.

I mean sure TC would play in his natural position but May has consistently been poor as a solo striker and you’d be playing 433. You’d need someone like Leaburn on the wing for his height so someone gets shifted out of position anyway

I don’t follow this reasoning, sorry. Take yesterday’s second half line-up, replace Godden with Alfie and we win that game. 

No disrespect to Matt Godden, whom I like, and took a brilliant penalty, but  Alfie May is able to influnece games for 90+ minutes by being a constant menace, and being able to hold up a ball out of defence. Godden unfortunately doesnt match up to him on those counts. 

No he’s not. Our biggest issue last year was teams would just run through us, because we never had the ability to make the ball stick in attack.

It’s no coincidence as well that since Gas has been injured that our defensive record has gotten worse - because again we are struggling to pin opposition teams back.

You are saying the ball sticks to Gas? It’s supposed to, but it doesnt. The other part of sticking is, releasing the ball accurately to one of your own players. Alfie vs Gas, no contest in that department either. I was prepared to give Gas a bit of time to settle in but I saw no sign of any improvement in that area either. 

PragueAddick said:

fenaddick said:

se9addick said:

PragueAddick said:

se9addick said:

Scoham said:

eaststandmike said:

Scoham said:

eaststandmike said:

supaclive said:

Callumcafc said:

oohaahmortimer said:

Alfie May would improve our team , so not happy he left but everyone half decent leaves us cos we are a minge of a club 

How would he do that? We’ve already got a player who scores goals at this level, at about the same clip and for cheaper.

Alfie May is hands down better than Godden.  Not a fully fit Leaburn but come on now Callum.

Behave!

I would take May over a fully fit Leaburn, I can’t ever see Miles being a regular 20+ goal a season striker 

Maybe not, but all going well he has potential to play at a far higher than May ever will.

We will see, Alfie will be in the Championship next season 

Of course Alfie will, but Leaburn is unlikely to be in L1 much longer either. He’s got to prove himself again after his injury, but not many teenagers have a scoring record like him along with height, decent pace, ability on the ball and strength. Stay fit and he won’t be short of interest.

So…wouldn’t Leaburn and May be a great strike force for a League One team? 

Especially with Tupac on the wing with someone to actually aim for after he skins a couple of defenders, as he is now doing for fun. 

I mean that’s the other benefit of not selling the best striker in the division, we could play a talented academy graduate in his actual position.

I mean sure TC would play in his natural position but May has consistently been poor as a solo striker and you’d be playing 433. You’d need someone like Leaburn on the wing for his height so someone gets shifted out of position anyway

I don’t follow this reasoning, sorry. Take yesterday’s second half line-up, replace Godden with Alfie and we win that game. 

No disrespect to Matt Godden, whom I like, and took a brilliant penalty, but  Alfie May is able to influnece games for 90+ minutes by being a constant menace, and being able to hold up a ball out of defence. Godden unfortunately doesnt match up to him on those counts. 

You’ll do well to find a performance from AM in a front 3 where he’s done well, that was my point. Nothing to do with Godden who also isn’t a front 3 striker 

Covered End said:

Callum are you pleased Charlton sold May or would you rather we had kept him?

Callum?

Alfie has gone, I've know idea why we're still debating or arguing about it. It's time to move on, keep harking back isn't going to change anything. Yes the decision was poor, whoever decision it was, but let's move on, he is no longer here and everyone knows about it! 
One thing I don't agree with is that Miles won't be as good as Alfie. ML is just starting out and, in my opinion,  has a big future ahead of him and will play in the PL, Alfie is coming towards the end if his career, and whilst being a good player he's not a PL player. Only time will tell of course, but Miles has a very bright future ahead of him....I just wish it would be with us, but I guess we all know, that unless a miracle happens he'll be gone to a bigger club in the summer at the latest. 

Covered End said:

Covered End said:

Callum are you pleased Charlton sold May or would you rather we had kept him?

Callum?

Redmidland said:

Alfie has gone, I've know idea why we're still debating or arguing about it. It's time to move on, keep harking back isn't going to change anything. Yes the decision was poor, whoever decision it was, but let's move on, he is no longer here and everyone knows about it! 
One thing I don't agree with is that Miles won't be as good as Alfie. ML is just starting out and, in my opinion,  has a big future ahead of him and will play in the PL, Alfie is coming towards the end if his career, and whilst being a good player he's not a PL player. Only time will tell of course, but Miles has a very bright future ahead of him....I just wish it would be with us, but I guess we all know, that unless a miracle happens he'll be gone to a bigger club in the summer at the latest. 

Us Charlton fans move on?
I've got more chance of winning the euromillions.

I am sorry I can only read so much of this endless nonsense before I have to respond.

Since when is any successful club, squad, team ever defined by one player? Yet there are those so myopic we once again have to revisit one player who while performing well last year still represented a team delivering our worst league position in living memory.

if there was ever a demand for a major restructure it was this close season. Just in case you hadn’t noticed the club has been selling key players to fund restructures since the 1960s. This is news? Where have you been for 65 years? 75% of the entire industry relies on the same business model. 

The Powell/ Chapple/ Varney rebuild came on the back of the Jenkinson sale.

The inability of some to put themselves in other people’s shoes is extraordinary. If you were a key player, aged 31, with a year on your contract, after last season and 2 Managerial changes your agent is going to be open to any opportunity that presents. May is an excellent pro and deserves whatever comes his way.

You may remember the first formal approach for May came from Huddersfield managed by Mays’ Manager at Cheltenham. You don’t think Duffy knows Alfie’s agent?

A good pay rise, a recent Championship club, a relocation to Barnsley offering a 30 min commute to Huddersfield and 30 min drive to family in Doncaster*. You want to explain to the wifes’ family why your not pursuing this opportunity? But then surprise, surprise, money talks and Birmingham gazump the Huddersfield offer to finally secure a deal with us, allegedly doubling the pay offer to May with a 3yr contract.

No club propaganda - this is Huddersfield talking

*NB Cost of living comparisons Doncaster/ London positons Doncaster as 35% lower. Birmingham is 25% lower. Believe me it matters.

Had we even matched the offer we certainly ain’t relocating anywhere near Doncaster. 

Grapevine49 said:

I am sorry I can only read so much of this endless nonsense before I have to respond.

Since when is any successful club, squad, team ever defined by one player? Yet there are those so myopic we once again have to revisit one player who while performing well last year still represented a team delivering our worst league position in living memory.

if there was ever a demand for a major restructure it was this close season. Just in case you hadn’t noticed the club has been selling key players to fund restructures since the 1960s. This is news? Where have you been for 65 years? 75% of the entire industry relies on the same business model. 

The Powell/ Chapple/ Varney rebuild came on the back of the Jenkinson sale.

The inability of some to put themselves in other people’s shoes is extraordinary. If you were a key player, aged 31, with a year on your contract, after last season and 2 Managerial changes your agent is going to be open to any opportunity that presents. May is an excellent pro and deserves whatever comes his way.

You may remember the first formal approach for May came from Huddersfield managed by Mays’ Manager at Cheltenham. You don’t think Duffy knows Alfie’s agent?

A good pay rise, a recent Championship club, a relocation to Barnsley offering a 30 min commute to Huddersfield and 30 min drive to family in Doncaster*. You want to explain to the wifes’ family why your not pursuing this opportunity? But then surprise, surprise, money talks and Birmingham gazump the Huddersfield offer to finally secure a deal with us, allegedly doubling the pay offer to May with a 3yr contract.

No club propaganda - this is Huddersfield talking

*NB Cost of living comparisons Doncaster/ London positons Doncaster as 35% lower. Birmingham is 25% lower. Believe me it matters.

Had we even matched the offer we certainly ain’t relocating anywhere near Doncaster. 

Now you management gurus your telling me you want to stand in the way of a 31yr old player, after a journeyman career, with a £1.5 - 1.8 mn contract on the table and the almost perfect roadmap for the last 5-7years of his playing career. You don’t think half their local clubs would take him for a final hooray after Birmingham?

This is how you manage players? Have you operated in a clubhouse? Ever? With these numbers the debate over the football, no matter the manager or style of play, could not be rendered more meaningless. Remember despite his goal scoring record over 3 seasons no Championship club came calling when we signed him or at this time.

The Birmingham offer, for him, was a unique opportunity to best suit his financial & domestic interests. He took it. I wish him well. There are times to do right by the player and move on. It helps when you also treble your initial outlay.

 I still wonder what is the truth.

Us allowing him to talk to Huddersfield because we didn't want him

Or

Huddersfield ringing us up out of the blue & inquiring if Alfie May is for sale. 

But I know people will disagree with me when I say it's the former so I think I'm going to cut my losses & leave this thread and hope that we never sign another 20 goal a season striker as it just causes arguments.

Good night. 

golfaddick said:

Grapevine49 said:

I am sorry I can only read so much of this endless nonsense before I have to respond.

Since when is any successful club, squad, team ever defined by one player? Yet there are those so myopic we once again have to revisit one player who while performing well last year still represented a team delivering our worst league position in living memory.

if there was ever a demand for a major restructure it was this close season. Just in case you hadn’t noticed the club has been selling key players to fund restructures since the 1960s. This is news? Where have you been for 65 years? 75% of the entire industry relies on the same business model. 

The Powell/ Chapple/ Varney rebuild came on the back of the Jenkinson sale.

The inability of some to put themselves in other people’s shoes is extraordinary. If you were a key player, aged 31, with a year on your contract, after last season and 2 Managerial changes your agent is going to be open to any opportunity that presents. May is an excellent pro and deserves whatever comes his way.

You may remember the first formal approach for May came from Huddersfield managed by Mays’ Manager at Cheltenham. You don’t think Duffy knows Alfie’s agent?

A good pay rise, a recent Championship club, a relocation to Barnsley offering a 30 min commute to Huddersfield and 30 min drive to family in Doncaster*. You want to explain to the wifes’ family why your not pursuing this opportunity? But then surprise, surprise, money talks and Birmingham gazump the Huddersfield offer to finally secure a deal with us, allegedly doubling the pay offer to May with a 3yr contract.

No club propaganda - this is Huddersfield talking

*NB Cost of living comparisons Doncaster/ London positons Doncaster as 35% lower. Birmingham is 25% lower. Believe me it matters.

Had we even matched the offer we certainly ain’t relocating anywhere near Doncaster. 

Now you management gurus your telling me you want to stand in the way of a 31yr old player, after a journeyman career, with a £1.5 - 1.8 mn contract on the table and the almost perfect roadmap for the last 5-7years of his playing career. You don’t think half their local clubs would take him for a final hooray after Birmingham?

This is how you manage players? Have you operated in a clubhouse? Ever? With these numbers the debate over the football, no matter the manager or style of play, could not be rendered more meaningless. Remember despite his goal scoring record over 3 seasons no Championship club came calling when we signed him or at this time.

The Birmingham offer, for him, was a unique opportunity to best suit his financial & domestic interests. He took it. I wish him well. There are times to do right by the player and move on. It helps when you also treble your initial outlay.

 I still wonder what is the truth.

Us allowing him to talk to Huddersfield because we didn't want him

Or

Huddersfield ringing us up out of the blue & inquiring if Alfie May is for sale. 

But I know people will disagree with me when I say it's the former so I think I'm going to cut my losses & leave this thread and hope that we never sign another 20 goal a season striker as it just causes arguments.

Good night. 

Amazing. Golfie makes a fuss about May going, tells everyone he'll quit Charlton Life and Charlton full stop if Alfie goes, stays on to contribute to a further 14 pages of Alfie may discourse about whether or not he should have been sold and complains that the sale has caused arguments like he's an innocent bystander swept up in the chaos. Outstanding stuff. Like an uncle at Christmas who kicks the Monopoly board over when he goes bankrupt and then complains that Monopoly causes arguments.