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Because they have such large city populations, the impact of climate change and pollution will impact China, India and developing countries a lot quicker (it already is) and more seriously than it will the US. Illness and starvation will start to accelerate in those countries, population sizes will decrease, which in turn will begin to alleviate the problem. The US can sit back to a large extent and cherry pick changes that suit it. To a large extent, so can the UK. We only have one large city and it’s got a comprehensive public transport network that’s not dependent on coal fired electricity and which could be extended and utilised a lot more.ShootersHillGuru said:
Not quite sure what you mean by “the US is big enough, land size, to not worry about the climate problem” ?letthegoodtimesroll said:
That growth comes with a health cost. Populations in those countries tend to be concentrated in large cities and the smog/pollution that comes with it, particularly with more and more coal fired power stations to generate electricity for their industries and homes, let alone switching to EVs, and rising temperatures is basically going to kill more and more of it’s citizens. Growth in those countries is going to take a dive, along with the number of citizens they have. The US is big enough, land size, to not worry about the climate problem and its cities don’t have as many people in them as the emerging market countries dored10 said:Chizz said:By next year, there will be around 8,000 public rapid (150kW+) charging points in the UK, as well as 75,000 traditional public charging points and about half a million homes capable of charging EVs. This will compare with around 8,000 petrol stations. By the end of the decade, there is predicted to be 20,000+ fast charging points, more than 300,000 traditional charging points and more than a million homes charging EVs. The proliferation of petrol stations will continue to decline, probably slumping to fewer than 6,000 by 2030.
In London, there are 650 petrol stations currently, 18,000 EV charging points. By the end of the decade, there is predicted to be between 40,000 and 60,000. And, perhaps, a few hundred petrol stations.
I wonder at what point people will start to switch from ICE to EV because "the infrastructure for ICE cars just isn't there".
Great numbers if it works out but it takes me 5 mins to fill the tank and then I'm off. Not hanging around for a coffee and sandwich before setting off again. More needs to be done to restrict the polution from major countries who don't appear at all concerned about the green house effect. Such as Brazil, China, India and any other emerging nations who are seeking growth over pretty much everything else. I expect the US might also be in the mix. Too many people on this planet which countries are fighting to support will be our ultimate downfall.0 -
To be honest I think that’s completely myopic and also completely wrong.letthegoodtimesroll said:
Because they have such large city populations, the impact of climate change and pollution will impact China, India and developing countries a lot quicker (it already is) and more seriously than it will the US. Illness and starvation will start to accelerate in those countries, population sizes will decrease, which in turn will begin to alleviate the problem. The US can sit back to a large extent and cherry pick changes that suit it. To a large extent, so can the UK. We only have one large city and it’s got a comprehensive public transport network that’s not dependent on coal fired electricity and which could be extended and utilised a lot more.ShootersHillGuru said:
Not quite sure what you mean by “the US is big enough, land size, to not worry about the climate problem” ?letthegoodtimesroll said:
That growth comes with a health cost. Populations in those countries tend to be concentrated in large cities and the smog/pollution that comes with it, particularly with more and more coal fired power stations to generate electricity for their industries and homes, let alone switching to EVs, and rising temperatures is basically going to kill more and more of it’s citizens. Growth in those countries is going to take a dive, along with the number of citizens they have. The US is big enough, land size, to not worry about the climate problem and its cities don’t have as many people in them as the emerging market countries dored10 said:Chizz said:By next year, there will be around 8,000 public rapid (150kW+) charging points in the UK, as well as 75,000 traditional public charging points and about half a million homes capable of charging EVs. This will compare with around 8,000 petrol stations. By the end of the decade, there is predicted to be 20,000+ fast charging points, more than 300,000 traditional charging points and more than a million homes charging EVs. The proliferation of petrol stations will continue to decline, probably slumping to fewer than 6,000 by 2030.
In London, there are 650 petrol stations currently, 18,000 EV charging points. By the end of the decade, there is predicted to be between 40,000 and 60,000. And, perhaps, a few hundred petrol stations.
I wonder at what point people will start to switch from ICE to EV because "the infrastructure for ICE cars just isn't there".
Great numbers if it works out but it takes me 5 mins to fill the tank and then I'm off. Not hanging around for a coffee and sandwich before setting off again. More needs to be done to restrict the polution from major countries who don't appear at all concerned about the green house effect. Such as Brazil, China, India and any other emerging nations who are seeking growth over pretty much everything else. I expect the US might also be in the mix. Too many people on this planet which countries are fighting to support will be our ultimate downfall.0 -
...and, therefore, quite AmericanShootersHillGuru said:
To be honest I think that’s completely myopic and also completely wrong.letthegoodtimesroll said:
Because they have such large city populations, the impact of climate change and pollution will impact China, India and developing countries a lot quicker (it already is) and more seriously than it will the US. Illness and starvation will start to accelerate in those countries, population sizes will decrease, which in turn will begin to alleviate the problem. The US can sit back to a large extent and cherry pick changes that suit it. To a large extent, so can the UK. We only have one large city and it’s got a comprehensive public transport network that’s not dependent on coal fired electricity and which could be extended and utilised a lot more.ShootersHillGuru said:
Not quite sure what you mean by “the US is big enough, land size, to not worry about the climate problem” ?letthegoodtimesroll said:
That growth comes with a health cost. Populations in those countries tend to be concentrated in large cities and the smog/pollution that comes with it, particularly with more and more coal fired power stations to generate electricity for their industries and homes, let alone switching to EVs, and rising temperatures is basically going to kill more and more of it’s citizens. Growth in those countries is going to take a dive, along with the number of citizens they have. The US is big enough, land size, to not worry about the climate problem and its cities don’t have as many people in them as the emerging market countries dored10 said:Chizz said:By next year, there will be around 8,000 public rapid (150kW+) charging points in the UK, as well as 75,000 traditional public charging points and about half a million homes capable of charging EVs. This will compare with around 8,000 petrol stations. By the end of the decade, there is predicted to be 20,000+ fast charging points, more than 300,000 traditional charging points and more than a million homes charging EVs. The proliferation of petrol stations will continue to decline, probably slumping to fewer than 6,000 by 2030.
In London, there are 650 petrol stations currently, 18,000 EV charging points. By the end of the decade, there is predicted to be between 40,000 and 60,000. And, perhaps, a few hundred petrol stations.
I wonder at what point people will start to switch from ICE to EV because "the infrastructure for ICE cars just isn't there".
Great numbers if it works out but it takes me 5 mins to fill the tank and then I'm off. Not hanging around for a coffee and sandwich before setting off again. More needs to be done to restrict the polution from major countries who don't appear at all concerned about the green house effect. Such as Brazil, China, India and any other emerging nations who are seeking growth over pretty much everything else. I expect the US might also be in the mix. Too many people on this planet which countries are fighting to support will be our ultimate downfall.1 -
Sadly, what’s wrong ?ShootersHillGuru said:
To be honest I think that’s completely myopic and also completely wrong.letthegoodtimesroll said:
Because they have such large city populations, the impact of climate change and pollution will impact China, India and developing countries a lot quicker (it already is) and more seriously than it will the US. Illness and starvation will start to accelerate in those countries, population sizes will decrease, which in turn will begin to alleviate the problem. The US can sit back to a large extent and cherry pick changes that suit it. To a large extent, so can the UK. We only have one large city and it’s got a comprehensive public transport network that’s not dependent on coal fired electricity and which could be extended and utilised a lot more.ShootersHillGuru said:
Not quite sure what you mean by “the US is big enough, land size, to not worry about the climate problem” ?letthegoodtimesroll said:
That growth comes with a health cost. Populations in those countries tend to be concentrated in large cities and the smog/pollution that comes with it, particularly with more and more coal fired power stations to generate electricity for their industries and homes, let alone switching to EVs, and rising temperatures is basically going to kill more and more of it’s citizens. Growth in those countries is going to take a dive, along with the number of citizens they have. The US is big enough, land size, to not worry about the climate problem and its cities don’t have as many people in them as the emerging market countries dored10 said:Chizz said:By next year, there will be around 8,000 public rapid (150kW+) charging points in the UK, as well as 75,000 traditional public charging points and about half a million homes capable of charging EVs. This will compare with around 8,000 petrol stations. By the end of the decade, there is predicted to be 20,000+ fast charging points, more than 300,000 traditional charging points and more than a million homes charging EVs. The proliferation of petrol stations will continue to decline, probably slumping to fewer than 6,000 by 2030.
In London, there are 650 petrol stations currently, 18,000 EV charging points. By the end of the decade, there is predicted to be between 40,000 and 60,000. And, perhaps, a few hundred petrol stations.
I wonder at what point people will start to switch from ICE to EV because "the infrastructure for ICE cars just isn't there".
Great numbers if it works out but it takes me 5 mins to fill the tank and then I'm off. Not hanging around for a coffee and sandwich before setting off again. More needs to be done to restrict the polution from major countries who don't appear at all concerned about the green house effect. Such as Brazil, China, India and any other emerging nations who are seeking growth over pretty much everything else. I expect the US might also be in the mix. Too many people on this planet which countries are fighting to support will be our ultimate downfall.
that countries like China, India and other developing nations already have smog problems;
and days when cars are banned;
or that the very high temperatures and pollution they see cause illness and deaths;
that those countries seem to be concentrating their populations in cities of 20 million or more;
that electricity in those countries is generated by more and more coal fired power stations;
that the US doesn’t want or need to do as much as those countries have to, and won’t (Trump definitely won’t, Harris will get told she can’t);
that, actually, the UK is not in as bad a position as most other countries and is already doing a lot more ?
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I think climate change is going to punch a hole right through what countries and their politicians think or want. Ask Spain what it thinks about an historically warm Mediterranean Sea, which has just caused unprecedented and deadly floods. It’s coming to a high street near you sooner than we might hope.letthegoodtimesroll said:
Sadly, what’s wrong ?ShootersHillGuru said:
To be honest I think that’s completely myopic and also completely wrong.letthegoodtimesroll said:
Because they have such large city populations, the impact of climate change and pollution will impact China, India and developing countries a lot quicker (it already is) and more seriously than it will the US. Illness and starvation will start to accelerate in those countries, population sizes will decrease, which in turn will begin to alleviate the problem. The US can sit back to a large extent and cherry pick changes that suit it. To a large extent, so can the UK. We only have one large city and it’s got a comprehensive public transport network that’s not dependent on coal fired electricity and which could be extended and utilised a lot more.ShootersHillGuru said:
Not quite sure what you mean by “the US is big enough, land size, to not worry about the climate problem” ?letthegoodtimesroll said:
That growth comes with a health cost. Populations in those countries tend to be concentrated in large cities and the smog/pollution that comes with it, particularly with more and more coal fired power stations to generate electricity for their industries and homes, let alone switching to EVs, and rising temperatures is basically going to kill more and more of it’s citizens. Growth in those countries is going to take a dive, along with the number of citizens they have. The US is big enough, land size, to not worry about the climate problem and its cities don’t have as many people in them as the emerging market countries dored10 said:Chizz said:By next year, there will be around 8,000 public rapid (150kW+) charging points in the UK, as well as 75,000 traditional public charging points and about half a million homes capable of charging EVs. This will compare with around 8,000 petrol stations. By the end of the decade, there is predicted to be 20,000+ fast charging points, more than 300,000 traditional charging points and more than a million homes charging EVs. The proliferation of petrol stations will continue to decline, probably slumping to fewer than 6,000 by 2030.
In London, there are 650 petrol stations currently, 18,000 EV charging points. By the end of the decade, there is predicted to be between 40,000 and 60,000. And, perhaps, a few hundred petrol stations.
I wonder at what point people will start to switch from ICE to EV because "the infrastructure for ICE cars just isn't there".
Great numbers if it works out but it takes me 5 mins to fill the tank and then I'm off. Not hanging around for a coffee and sandwich before setting off again. More needs to be done to restrict the polution from major countries who don't appear at all concerned about the green house effect. Such as Brazil, China, India and any other emerging nations who are seeking growth over pretty much everything else. I expect the US might also be in the mix. Too many people on this planet which countries are fighting to support will be our ultimate downfall.
that countries like China, India and other developing nations already have smog problems;
and days when cars are banned;
or that the very high temperatures and pollution they see cause illness and deaths;
that those countries seem to be concentrating their populations in cities of 20 million or more;
that electricity in those countries is generated by more and more coal fired power stations;
that the US doesn’t want or need to do as much as those countries have to, and won’t (Trump definitely won’t, Harris will get told she can’t);
that, actually, the UK is not in as bad a position as most other countries and is already doing a lot more ?1 -
If a rogue elephant is left running amok in the Whitehouse soon, we can look forward to another acceleration in the rate of US carbon emissions as he fires up for more fossil fuel exploration and extraction to make America great again.
An anecdotal EV infrastructure observation from my parish, a small town with one petrol station next to a supermarket with EV charging points (super fast ones too I think) I've driven past them countless times and on only a handful of occasions have I seen any cars using them. If I was to buy an EV I'd have easy access to charging within a mile of home.
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Spain’s problems are not those of the US or UK. It was a relatively poor country that took the money from the EU to build roads and other infrastructure and it kidded itself that funding and the increasing revenues from its tourist industry was the golden ticket. Those were always going to be two big problems down the line and they’ve reached it and it’s consequences time. Concrete, tarmac and excessive tourism in what was already a very warm part of the world.ShootersHillGuru said:
I think climate change is going to punch a hole right through what countries and their politicians think or want. Ask Spain what it thinks about an historically warm Mediterranean Sea, which has just caused unprecedented and deadly floods. It’s coming to a high street near you sooner than we might hope.letthegoodtimesroll said:
Sadly, what’s wrong ?ShootersHillGuru said:
To be honest I think that’s completely myopic and also completely wrong.letthegoodtimesroll said:
Because they have such large city populations, the impact of climate change and pollution will impact China, India and developing countries a lot quicker (it already is) and more seriously than it will the US. Illness and starvation will start to accelerate in those countries, population sizes will decrease, which in turn will begin to alleviate the problem. The US can sit back to a large extent and cherry pick changes that suit it. To a large extent, so can the UK. We only have one large city and it’s got a comprehensive public transport network that’s not dependent on coal fired electricity and which could be extended and utilised a lot more.ShootersHillGuru said:
Not quite sure what you mean by “the US is big enough, land size, to not worry about the climate problem” ?letthegoodtimesroll said:
That growth comes with a health cost. Populations in those countries tend to be concentrated in large cities and the smog/pollution that comes with it, particularly with more and more coal fired power stations to generate electricity for their industries and homes, let alone switching to EVs, and rising temperatures is basically going to kill more and more of it’s citizens. Growth in those countries is going to take a dive, along with the number of citizens they have. The US is big enough, land size, to not worry about the climate problem and its cities don’t have as many people in them as the emerging market countries dored10 said:Chizz said:By next year, there will be around 8,000 public rapid (150kW+) charging points in the UK, as well as 75,000 traditional public charging points and about half a million homes capable of charging EVs. This will compare with around 8,000 petrol stations. By the end of the decade, there is predicted to be 20,000+ fast charging points, more than 300,000 traditional charging points and more than a million homes charging EVs. The proliferation of petrol stations will continue to decline, probably slumping to fewer than 6,000 by 2030.
In London, there are 650 petrol stations currently, 18,000 EV charging points. By the end of the decade, there is predicted to be between 40,000 and 60,000. And, perhaps, a few hundred petrol stations.
I wonder at what point people will start to switch from ICE to EV because "the infrastructure for ICE cars just isn't there".
Great numbers if it works out but it takes me 5 mins to fill the tank and then I'm off. Not hanging around for a coffee and sandwich before setting off again. More needs to be done to restrict the polution from major countries who don't appear at all concerned about the green house effect. Such as Brazil, China, India and any other emerging nations who are seeking growth over pretty much everything else. I expect the US might also be in the mix. Too many people on this planet which countries are fighting to support will be our ultimate downfall.
that countries like China, India and other developing nations already have smog problems;
and days when cars are banned;
or that the very high temperatures and pollution they see cause illness and deaths;
that those countries seem to be concentrating their populations in cities of 20 million or more;
that electricity in those countries is generated by more and more coal fired power stations;
that the US doesn’t want or need to do as much as those countries have to, and won’t (Trump definitely won’t, Harris will get told she can’t);
that, actually, the UK is not in as bad a position as most other countries and is already doing a lot more ?1 -
And now they appear to not want tourists !!
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Apropos climate change, it's worth noting this extraordinary datapoint: the seventeen hottest months on earth in the last 100,000 years all occurred in the last seventeen months.2
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Sobering and grim.Chizz said:Apropos climate change, it's worth noting this extraordinary datapoint: the seventeen hottest months on earth in the last 100,000 years all occurred in the last seventeen months.1 -
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Chizz said:Apropos climate change, it's worth noting this extraordinary datapoint: the seventeen hottest months on earth in the last 100,000 years all occurred in the last seventeen months.
That’ll be the result of all those coal-fuelled power stations needed to build and run all those electric cars…0 -
An ignorant self centered moron in America running for president would refute those stats, climate change being a hoax of course.Chizz said:Apropos climate change, it's worth noting this extraordinary datapoint: the seventeen hottest months on earth in the last 100,000 years all occurred in the last seventeen months.
However, they are consistent with what the scientists agree about the ending of the Holocene period, as characterized by stable temperatures, and the beginning of the next age of planetary climatic instability which is now with us, the Antroposcene I believe it's called. Oh well, or should I say oh hell?
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Latest registrations data from SMMT
2024 January - August
Diesel 80,093 - down 13%
Petrol 674,312 - up 0.8%
Battery electric 213,544 - up 10.5%
Plug-in hybrid 100,457 - up 24.9%
Hybrid - 170,449 - 17.9%
That represents a huge momentum shift away from ICE cars, perhaps driven partly by the fact that now one BEV in five retails at less than the average petrol or diesel car.2 -
So, when buying their next new car 5 in 6 British drivers don't trust or want a vehicle that doesn’t have a combustion engine.Chizz said:Latest registrations data from SMMT
2024 January - August
Diesel 80,093 - down 13%
Petrol 674,312 - up 0.8%
Battery electric 213,544 - up 10.5%
Plug-in hybrid 100,457 - up 24.9%
Hybrid - 170,449 - 17.9%
That represents a huge momentum shift away from ICE cars, perhaps driven partly by the fact that now one BEV in five retails at less than the average petrol or diesel car.1 -
That is registrations. Dealers register cars and they then sit on the forecourt. What about sales?0
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Alternatively, when comparing the January to October figures for 2023 with 2024, the only cars which British drivers are placing more trust in and buying are those with an electric motor (source SMMT).letthegoodtimesroll said:
So, when buying their next new car 5 in 6 British drivers don't trust or want a vehicle that doesn’t have a combustion engine.Chizz said:Latest registrations data from SMMT
2024 January - August
Diesel 80,093 - down 13%
Petrol 674,312 - up 0.8%
Battery electric 213,544 - up 10.5%
Plug-in hybrid 100,457 - up 24.9%
Hybrid - 170,449 - 17.9%
That represents a huge momentum shift away from ICE cars, perhaps driven partly by the fact that now one BEV in five retails at less than the average petrol or diesel car.
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Don’t car manufacturers have to meet government / EU targets for electric sales or incur penalties on non electric vehicles?. There may be a lot of pre registering going on. Might explain the type of email I received yesterday offering good discounts and 0% finance on EV models and even better deals for forecourt / stock vehicles.Ross said:That is registrations. Dealers register cars and they then sit on the forecourt. What about sales?It would be just as interesting to know how many EV buyers are getting another EV vehicle next time around.0 -
That's a very accurate way of looking at one part of the data, while missing, entirely, the bigger picture.letthegoodtimesroll said:
So, when buying their next new car 5 in 6 British drivers don't trust or want a vehicle that doesn’t have a combustion engine.Chizz said:Latest registrations data from SMMT
2024 January - August
Diesel 80,093 - down 13%
Petrol 674,312 - up 0.8%
Battery electric 213,544 - up 10.5%
Plug-in hybrid 100,457 - up 24.9%
Hybrid - 170,449 - 17.9%
That represents a huge momentum shift away from ICE cars, perhaps driven partly by the fact that now one BEV in five retails at less than the average petrol or diesel car.1 -
Or indeed how many of those cars are company cars where the benefit in kind on EVs makes them virtually tax free.letthegoodtimesroll said:
Don’t car manufacturers have to meet government / EU targets for electric sales or incur penalties on non electric vehicles?. There may be a lot of pre registering going on. Might explain the type of email I received yesterday offering good discounts and 0% finance on EV models and even better deals for forecourt / stock vehicles.Ross said:That is registrations. Dealers register cars and they then sit on the forecourt. What about sales?It would be just as interesting to know how many EV buyers are getting another EV vehicle next time around.
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This is how I reconcile my amazement at how many newly registered cars appear every year. Loads will be company cars, hire cars and then the minority will be personal purchasesbobmunro said:
Or indeed how many of those cars are company cars where the benefit in kind on EVs makes them virtually tax free.letthegoodtimesroll said:
Don’t car manufacturers have to meet government / EU targets for electric sales or incur penalties on non electric vehicles?. There may be a lot of pre registering going on. Might explain the type of email I received yesterday offering good discounts and 0% finance on EV models and even better deals for forecourt / stock vehicles.Ross said:That is registrations. Dealers register cars and they then sit on the forecourt. What about sales?It would be just as interesting to know how many EV buyers are getting another EV vehicle next time around.
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That's a very accurate way of looking at one part of the data, while missing, entirely, the bigger picture.letthegoodtimesroll said:
So, when buying their next new car 5 in 6 British drivers don't trust or want a vehicle that doesn’t have a combustion engine.Chizz said:Latest registrations data from SMMT
2024 January - August
Diesel 80,093 - down 13%
Petrol 674,312 - up 0.8%
Battery electric 213,544 - up 10.5%
Plug-in hybrid 100,457 - up 24.9%
Hybrid - 170,449 - 17.9%
That represents a huge momentum shift away from ICE cars, perhaps driven partly by the fact that now one BEV in five retails at less than the average petrol or diesel car.The bigger picture is that there is a move away from pure ICE cars - by choice, yes, and by necessity to a degree as most manufacturers are massively scaling back on pure ICE and moving to hybrid and EV. Many plug in hybrids are now coming with much larger batteries giving electric only ranges of 50+ miles, and it really does remove the range anxiety and infrastructure concerns that are the most common negatives for pure EVs. Emissions are not zero, but much, much lower.Perhaps the ideal scenario is a plug-in hybrid that gives 100+ miles of electric only range with a smaller ICE engine as a back-up rather than the primary means of propulsion. It's a moving feast and who knows for sure what the next 10-20 years will bring in terms of technology.2 -
All things being equal I’m sure that within the next five years EV cars will have ranges that make “range anxiety” a thing of the past. That’s the point at which I will change to EV. I still don’t believe that the issues regarding on street parking for millions of homes will have been resolved but I’m sure it will be better than it currently is. Even so. It will only be the newest EV’s that will have extended ranges so for probably ten years or so ranges for the bulk of the nations EV fleet will remain in my view inadequate in terms of range.1
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inadequate for what or for whom?ShootersHillGuru said:All things being equal I’m sure that within the next five years EV cars will have ranges that make “range anxiety” a thing of the past. That’s the point at which I will change to EV. I still don’t believe that the issues regarding on street parking for millions of homes will have been resolved but I’m sure it will be better than it currently is. Even so. It will only be the newest EV’s that will have extended ranges so for probably ten years or so ranges for the bulk of the nations EV fleet will remain in my view inadequate in terms of range.0 -
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inadequate for what or for whom?ShootersHillGuru said:All things being equal I’m sure that within the next five years EV cars will have ranges that make “range anxiety” a thing of the past. That’s the point at which I will change to EV. I still don’t believe that the issues regarding on street parking for millions of homes will have been resolved but I’m sure it will be better than it currently is. Even so. It will only be the newest EV’s that will have extended ranges so for probably ten years or so ranges for the bulk of the nations EV fleet will remain in my view inadequate in terms of range.1 -
Everyone. Every claim about how far a charge will go is missing the point. It’s how far the vehicle will go in certain driving conditions and on a fully charged battery, whereas nobody I suspect recharges their battery before every journey and then drives at a perfect way and without using heaters, lights etc to get the maximum range from that charge. Basically, they can’t just jump in their vehicle every time and assume they will not have to stop and recharge the battery at some point. The same could be said about needing petrol or diesel but stopping and filling up the tank is not something that’s going to inconvenience or particularly delay any journey.Chizz said:
inadequate for what or for whom?ShootersHillGuru said:All things being equal I’m sure that within the next five years EV cars will have ranges that make “range anxiety” a thing of the past. That’s the point at which I will change to EV. I still don’t believe that the issues regarding on street parking for millions of homes will have been resolved but I’m sure it will be better than it currently is. Even so. It will only be the newest EV’s that will have extended ranges so for probably ten years or so ranges for the bulk of the nations EV fleet will remain in my view inadequate in terms of range.2 -
"EVs will remain inadequate for..." everyone? Really?letthegoodtimesroll said:
Everyone. Every claim about how far a charge will go is missing the point. It’s how far the vehicle will go in certain driving conditions and on a fully charged battery, whereas nobody I suspect recharges their battery before every journey and then drives at a perfect way and without using heaters, lights etc to get the maximum range from that charge. Basically, they can’t just jump in their vehicle every time and assume they will not have to stop and recharge the battery at some point. The same could be said about needing petrol or diesel but stopping and filling up the tank is not something that’s going to inconvenience or particularly delay any journey.Chizz said:
inadequate for what or for whom?ShootersHillGuru said:All things being equal I’m sure that within the next five years EV cars will have ranges that make “range anxiety” a thing of the past. That’s the point at which I will change to EV. I still don’t believe that the issues regarding on street parking for millions of homes will have been resolved but I’m sure it will be better than it currently is. Even so. It will only be the newest EV’s that will have extended ranges so for probably ten years or so ranges for the bulk of the nations EV fleet will remain in my view inadequate in terms of range.
35% of UK car journeys are under 2km.
Less than a third of UK car journeys are more than 5km.
The average journey length is 8.1miles.
On average, people spend just over an hour a day travelling, including 35 minutes by car.
These datapoints don't really lead to a conclusion that "EVs remain inadequate for everyone".2 -
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Is it? Not even that. No information given as to motive for buying. If I buy a Mini instead of a Roller, its not because I don't trust or want a roller. It might be cost or that it doesn't suit my requirements as much as the mini. That's me making a positive decision about the Mini, not a negative one about the Roller. Can't draw that conclusion.Chizz said:
That's a very accurate way of looking at one part of the data, while missing, entirely, the bigger picture.letthegoodtimesroll said:
So, when buying their next new car 5 in 6 British drivers don't trust or want a vehicle that doesn’t have a combustion engine.Chizz said:Latest registrations data from SMMT
2024 January - August
Diesel 80,093 - down 13%
Petrol 674,312 - up 0.8%
Battery electric 213,544 - up 10.5%
Plug-in hybrid 100,457 - up 24.9%
Hybrid - 170,449 - 17.9%
That represents a huge momentum shift away from ICE cars, perhaps driven partly by the fact that now one BEV in five retails at less than the average petrol or diesel car.0 -
They’re obviously not but they are for some people. As far as I’m concerned EV’s are the way forward until and if something better comes along. Will I get one ? Almost certainly, but it will probably be my car after next when both technology and infrastructure are better. I think I’m in quite a significant number of people thinking exactly this.Chizz said:
"EVs will remain inadequate for..." everyone? Really?letthegoodtimesroll said:
Everyone. Every claim about how far a charge will go is missing the point. It’s how far the vehicle will go in certain driving conditions and on a fully charged battery, whereas nobody I suspect recharges their battery before every journey and then drives at a perfect way and without using heaters, lights etc to get the maximum range from that charge. Basically, they can’t just jump in their vehicle every time and assume they will not have to stop and recharge the battery at some point. The same could be said about needing petrol or diesel but stopping and filling up the tank is not something that’s going to inconvenience or particularly delay any journey.Chizz said:
inadequate for what or for whom?ShootersHillGuru said:All things being equal I’m sure that within the next five years EV cars will have ranges that make “range anxiety” a thing of the past. That’s the point at which I will change to EV. I still don’t believe that the issues regarding on street parking for millions of homes will have been resolved but I’m sure it will be better than it currently is. Even so. It will only be the newest EV’s that will have extended ranges so for probably ten years or so ranges for the bulk of the nations EV fleet will remain in my view inadequate in terms of range.
35% of UK car journeys are under 2km.
Less than a third of UK car journeys are more than 5km.
The average journey length is 8.1miles.
On average, people spend just over an hour a day travelling, including 35 minutes by car.
These datapoints don't really lead to a conclusion that "EVs remain inadequate for everyone".0 -
Not if reliability is important to you, according to Which magazine and its panel of 8,000 owners. All the reliability of a Buick circa 1999, by the sound of it.fenlandaddick said:Tesla have the lead on charging infrastructure. If I need to supercharge then I set the map to the nearest supercharger. If re-routes me if they are all busy. The car preconditions the battery so I get maximum charging. I turn up, reverse in, plug in the car and off it goes. No messing with cards or different apps etc. Other manufacturers need to catch-up, been caught napping.I appreciate the guy in charge of Tesla is a bit of an acquired taste. The Tesla products are very good.I would also say the latest models are a very good product from the perspective of a car for driver and means of transport. The earlier models are less so.0
