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The amount of people who need to do 250 miles without a stop are tiny2
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Yes I noticed that. Poor subbing.letthegoodtimesroll said:
Some battery that must have if it loses 6 miles range from just the start of that blurb to reading to the end of it…JamesSeed said:red10 said:JamesSeed said:
Where do people get this information from? The oil industry is spreading disinformation about EVs, that they’re out of reach financially, that they burst into flames as soon as your back is turned, that there are no chargers, that they destroy roads and are 40% heavier than petrol cars, that the batteries wear out in a couple of years and even that there isn’t enough electricity around everyone bought electric cars. (The energy industry has debunked this myth).red10 said:@chizz you stated "for more than one million people" in your reply. Hence me looking up the UK population in my response !!. However, I think we have to accept, given that we have around 30 million dwellings in the UK, some of which have no cars and some have multiple cars we seriously have an infrastructure issue to resolve. Not withstanding the huge outlay on the new vehicles which I suspect a large number of the population cannot afford and in addition to how the hell do we generate the electricity to support it, not an easy fix.
Living where I do, with 4 chargers in a 5 mile radius I would need something that could do 250 to 300 odd miles before I could consider it, so that probably takes me into Tesla country and to tow a caravan on top it won't be cheap. Not sure where you get your electricity from but the last time I looked it was pretty damn expensive just to run the house.MG4 EV (£21,000)
‘Battery range up to 329 milesThe MG4 is one of the least expensive EVs on sale now. Just because it’s a bargain, though, it doesn’t mean that it lacks quality: it was our Carwow Car of the Year in 2023. Sharp exterior design and a decent-quality cabin are good early indications, then you start to notice – and be impressed by – all the equipment that’s fitted as standard. The infotainment system isn’t the best, and you’ll have to turn the volume up to drown out some road noise at high speeds, but a range of up to 323 miles cements its place as one of the best value EV on the market.’In reality I doubt you’ll be getting over 300 miles.And as for the trim Shooters, sadly that’s the norm at that price.The Volvo ex-30 might be more up your street, although I’m not sure about having so many of the controls on a touch screen myself.1 -
But isn’t that the real issue. Cars are usually more efficient on longer runs and it’s all the short journeys we constantly do that empty tanks and drain batteries.Rothko said:The amount of people who need to do 250 miles without a stop are tinyWe’ve now switched from the open all the windows/get the air con on full blast season to turn the heater right up and switch in the heated seats / heated steering wheel / windscreen and rear and side side window heaters etc…and park the car 5 miles later season1 -
Where have you seen that? I’ve not heard that’s an issue with EVs. They don’t rev high when changing gear like ICE cars do. I get the bit about heating the car up though.letthegoodtimesroll said:
But isn’t that the real issue. Cars are usually more efficient on longer runs and it’s all the short journeys we constantly do that empty tanks and drain batteries.Rothko said:The amount of people who need to do 250 miles without a stop are tinyWe’ve now switched from the open all the windows/get the air con on full blast season to turn the heater right up and switch in the heated seats / heated steering wheel / windscreen and rear and side side window heaters etc…and park the car 5 miles later season0 -
My battery on our EV doesn't drain any quicker on shorter runs, in fact they are probably better then a ICE at that, where the battery isn't needing to pull high power all the time, with regen on, is probably getting topped up all the time, and when you stop, the battery is barely doing anything, where an ICE is still burning juice.2
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@jamesseed, impressive spec but more of a city car I think. I am impressed at the cost and the range tho. My requirements are for an upright suv 4wd to cater for how and where I live. Horrible rough country roads, trailers, caravan etc.@Rothko my ICE shuts down when I stop providing there is enough juice in the battery and demands such as lights and air-conditioning are not too high.0
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JamesSeed said:Yes I noticed that. Poor subbing.In reality I doubt you’ll be getting over 300 miles.And as for the trim Shooters, sadly that’s the norm at that price.The Volvo ex-30 might be more up your street, although I’m not sure about having so many of the controls on a touch screen myself.The Volvo EX30 appears to have a different interface to my XC40 (EX40) but I can comment on having most of "so many of the controls on a touch screen".Most of the normal controls are on the steering wheel or stalks. Many settings are on-screen. The only controls you may use often are heating and ventilation. Now, here is the BUT ! The OS for the screen is Android and it has Google Home built in. The heating and ventilation controls can be operated by voice which, I would suggest, is an improvement on the driver trying to find a physical control on the centre console. I have not had time to fully investigate the extent of voice control yet.Regarding Tesla's I have read that everything is operated via the screen which, to me, sounds overkill and potentially dangerous.2
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EV batteries tend to drain faster on motorway driving because there is much less regenerative breaking topping it up.Rothko said:My battery on our EV doesn't drain any quicker on shorter runs, in fact they are probably better then a ICE at that, where the battery isn't needing to pull high power all the time, with regen on, is probably getting topped up all the time, and when you stop, the battery is barely doing anything, where an ICE is still burning juice.
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It was a typo, but I'll leave it. I gave my wife one of those Chinese cats with a waving paw powered by a battery, but sadly it's dead now, the battery that is 🐱😟AddicksAddict said:
Get a live cat, problem solved.swordfish said:
I did wonder that, but buying an EV isn't a serious consideration for me just now anyway and I was merely pointing out there is local infrastructur in place. It would be easy for me to have a charging point installed at home, but it would be close to the house should the cat battery explode!MrOneLung said:
At 3 to 4 times the price of charging at homeswordfish said:If a rogue elephant is left running amok in the Whitehouse soon, we can look forward to another acceleration in the rate of US carbon emissions as he fires up for more fossil fuel exploration and extraction to make America great again.
An anecdotal EV infrastructure observation from my parish, a small town with one petrol station next to a supermarket with EV charging points (super fast ones too I think) I've driven past them countless times and on only a handful of occasions have I seen any cars using them. If I was to buy an EV I'd have easy access to charging within a mile of home.1 -
So can we look forward to driving behind EV drivers running low on charge constantly slamming on the anchors until they reach a recharge point 😉Hex said:
EV batteries tend to drain faster on motorway driving because there is much less regenerative breaking topping it up.Rothko said:My battery on our EV doesn't drain any quicker on shorter runs, in fact they are probably better then a ICE at that, where the battery isn't needing to pull high power all the time, with regen on, is probably getting topped up all the time, and when you stop, the battery is barely doing anything, where an ICE is still burning juice.1 - Sponsored links:
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Slamming on the brakes doesn't do the job, braking with time does, also you can coast on the Motorways in an electric, turn the regen off, and then you can take your foot off the power and the car will pretty much coast a lot of the way, worked a dream when we drove to the Netherlands in a EVswordfish said:
So can we look forward to driving behind EV drivers running low on charge constantly slamming on the anchors until they reach a recharge point 😉Hex said:
EV batteries tend to drain faster on motorway driving because there is much less regenerative breaking topping it up.Rothko said:My battery on our EV doesn't drain any quicker on shorter runs, in fact they are probably better then a ICE at that, where the battery isn't needing to pull high power all the time, with regen on, is probably getting topped up all the time, and when you stop, the battery is barely doing anything, where an ICE is still burning juice.2 -
I think you’ll need to explain that for me I’m afraid. ApologiesRothko said:
Slamming on the brakes doesn't do the job, braking with time does, also you can coast on the Motorways in an electric, turn the regen off, and then you can take your foot off the power and the car will pretty much coast a lot of the way, worked a dream when we drove to the Netherlands in a EVswordfish said:
So can we look forward to driving behind EV drivers running low on charge constantly slamming on the anchors until they reach a recharge point 😉Hex said:
EV batteries tend to drain faster on motorway driving because there is much less regenerative breaking topping it up.Rothko said:My battery on our EV doesn't drain any quicker on shorter runs, in fact they are probably better then a ICE at that, where the battery isn't needing to pull high power all the time, with regen on, is probably getting topped up all the time, and when you stop, the battery is barely doing anything, where an ICE is still burning juice.0 -
Basically if your on the Motorway, doing 70, you hit that speed, and then take your foot off the power, the car will then coast along at that speed, with the occasional bits of power to top up the speed.
If the car has regenerative braking, you switch that off for the full effect. Means your not constantly pulling on the battery, and it's a pretty relaxing way to drive. Most EV cruise controls do the same2 -
He’s got cruise control, you’re welcome.ShootersHillGuru said:
I think you’ll need to explain that for me I’m afraid. ApologiesRothko said:
Slamming on the brakes doesn't do the job, braking with time does, also you can coast on the Motorways in an electric, turn the regen off, and then you can take your foot off the power and the car will pretty much coast a lot of the way, worked a dream when we drove to the Netherlands in a EVswordfish said:
So can we look forward to driving behind EV drivers running low on charge constantly slamming on the anchors until they reach a recharge point 😉Hex said:
EV batteries tend to drain faster on motorway driving because there is much less regenerative breaking topping it up.Rothko said:My battery on our EV doesn't drain any quicker on shorter runs, in fact they are probably better then a ICE at that, where the battery isn't needing to pull high power all the time, with regen on, is probably getting topped up all the time, and when you stop, the battery is barely doing anything, where an ICE is still burning juice.1 -
I understand cruise control. Thanks 👍letthegoodtimesroll said:
He’s got cruise control, you’re welcome.ShootersHillGuru said:
I think you’ll need to explain that for me I’m afraid. ApologiesRothko said:
Slamming on the brakes doesn't do the job, braking with time does, also you can coast on the Motorways in an electric, turn the regen off, and then you can take your foot off the power and the car will pretty much coast a lot of the way, worked a dream when we drove to the Netherlands in a EVswordfish said:
So can we look forward to driving behind EV drivers running low on charge constantly slamming on the anchors until they reach a recharge point 😉Hex said:
EV batteries tend to drain faster on motorway driving because there is much less regenerative breaking topping it up.Rothko said:My battery on our EV doesn't drain any quicker on shorter runs, in fact they are probably better then a ICE at that, where the battery isn't needing to pull high power all the time, with regen on, is probably getting topped up all the time, and when you stop, the battery is barely doing anything, where an ICE is still burning juice.0 -
21 grand is a hell of a lot of money to spend on a hugely depreciating asset that can't drive 300 miles in the winter.JamesSeed said:red10 said:JamesSeed said:
Where do people get this information from? The oil industry is spreading disinformation about EVs, that they’re out of reach financially, that they burst into flames as soon as your back is turned, that there are no chargers, that they destroy roads and are 40% heavier than petrol cars, that the batteries wear out in a couple of years and even that there isn’t enough electricity around everyone bought electric cars. (The energy industry has debunked this myth).red10 said:@chizz you stated "for more than one million people" in your reply. Hence me looking up the UK population in my response !!. However, I think we have to accept, given that we have around 30 million dwellings in the UK, some of which have no cars and some have multiple cars we seriously have an infrastructure issue to resolve. Not withstanding the huge outlay on the new vehicles which I suspect a large number of the population cannot afford and in addition to how the hell do we generate the electricity to support it, not an easy fix.
Living where I do, with 4 chargers in a 5 mile radius I would need something that could do 250 to 300 odd miles before I could consider it, so that probably takes me into Tesla country and to tow a caravan on top it won't be cheap. Not sure where you get your electricity from but the last time I looked it was pretty damn expensive just to run the house.MG4 EV (£21,000)
‘Battery range up to 329 milesThe MG4 is one of the least expensive EVs on sale now. Just because it’s a bargain, though, it doesn’t mean that it lacks quality: it was our Carwow Car of the Year in 2023. Sharp exterior design and a decent-quality cabin are good early indications, then you start to notice – and be impressed by – all the equipment that’s fitted as standard. The infotainment system isn’t the best, and you’ll have to turn the volume up to drown out some road noise at high speeds, but a range of up to 323 miles cements its place as one of the best value EV on the market.’
You can literally buy a 2020 Toyota Camry for about 2 grand less, and it'll be worth more in 5 years.1 -
cafcnick1992 said:
21 grand is a hell of a lot of money to spend on a hugely depreciating asset that can't drive 300 miles in the winter.JamesSeed said:red10 said:JamesSeed said:
Where do people get this information from? The oil industry is spreading disinformation about EVs, that they’re out of reach financially, that they burst into flames as soon as your back is turned, that there are no chargers, that they destroy roads and are 40% heavier than petrol cars, that the batteries wear out in a couple of years and even that there isn’t enough electricity around everyone bought electric cars. (The energy industry has debunked this myth).red10 said:@chizz you stated "for more than one million people" in your reply. Hence me looking up the UK population in my response !!. However, I think we have to accept, given that we have around 30 million dwellings in the UK, some of which have no cars and some have multiple cars we seriously have an infrastructure issue to resolve. Not withstanding the huge outlay on the new vehicles which I suspect a large number of the population cannot afford and in addition to how the hell do we generate the electricity to support it, not an easy fix.
Living where I do, with 4 chargers in a 5 mile radius I would need something that could do 250 to 300 odd miles before I could consider it, so that probably takes me into Tesla country and to tow a caravan on top it won't be cheap. Not sure where you get your electricity from but the last time I looked it was pretty damn expensive just to run the house.MG4 EV (£21,000)
‘Battery range up to 329 milesThe MG4 is one of the least expensive EVs on sale now. Just because it’s a bargain, though, it doesn’t mean that it lacks quality: it was our Carwow Car of the Year in 2023. Sharp exterior design and a decent-quality cabin are good early indications, then you start to notice – and be impressed by – all the equipment that’s fitted as standard. The infotainment system isn’t the best, and you’ll have to turn the volume up to drown out some road noise at high speeds, but a range of up to 323 miles cements its place as one of the best value EV on the market.’
You can literally buy a 2020 Toyota Camry for about 2 grand less, and it'll be worth more in 5 years.
I would be leasing one, when I go down that line.0 -
I see the point you are making @JamesSeed but its comparing apples with pears. I can get an AMG line A or C class a few years old, great vehicles, for just over 12k with auto start/stop and if I needed to get a car in a hurry I'd get an Aygo or a Yaris for pocket change comparatively. Beyind electric twist and go bikes or scooters there isn't a viable option for new drivers or young drivers unless they get picked right up with finance. I know a lot of them do that anyway.
What comes with the range anxiety isn't just having to spend half an hour at a service station, its knowing there is a charger or not. Our work vehicles are being made all electric and the long runs kills their range. When I say long run I'm talking like Ashford to Larkfield or Snodland
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You are your own boss, but leasing a hugely depreciating asset makes no sense to me. Buy a car with cash and throw the money you save into your savings.guinnessaddick said:cafcnick1992 said:
21 grand is a hell of a lot of money to spend on a hugely depreciating asset that can't drive 300 miles in the winter.JamesSeed said:red10 said:JamesSeed said:
Where do people get this information from? The oil industry is spreading disinformation about EVs, that they’re out of reach financially, that they burst into flames as soon as your back is turned, that there are no chargers, that they destroy roads and are 40% heavier than petrol cars, that the batteries wear out in a couple of years and even that there isn’t enough electricity around everyone bought electric cars. (The energy industry has debunked this myth).red10 said:@chizz you stated "for more than one million people" in your reply. Hence me looking up the UK population in my response !!. However, I think we have to accept, given that we have around 30 million dwellings in the UK, some of which have no cars and some have multiple cars we seriously have an infrastructure issue to resolve. Not withstanding the huge outlay on the new vehicles which I suspect a large number of the population cannot afford and in addition to how the hell do we generate the electricity to support it, not an easy fix.
Living where I do, with 4 chargers in a 5 mile radius I would need something that could do 250 to 300 odd miles before I could consider it, so that probably takes me into Tesla country and to tow a caravan on top it won't be cheap. Not sure where you get your electricity from but the last time I looked it was pretty damn expensive just to run the house.MG4 EV (£21,000)
‘Battery range up to 329 milesThe MG4 is one of the least expensive EVs on sale now. Just because it’s a bargain, though, it doesn’t mean that it lacks quality: it was our Carwow Car of the Year in 2023. Sharp exterior design and a decent-quality cabin are good early indications, then you start to notice – and be impressed by – all the equipment that’s fitted as standard. The infotainment system isn’t the best, and you’ll have to turn the volume up to drown out some road noise at high speeds, but a range of up to 323 miles cements its place as one of the best value EV on the market.’
You can literally buy a 2020 Toyota Camry for about 2 grand less, and it'll be worth more in 5 years.I would be leasing one, when I go down that line.0 -
Think, Hyundai becomes Kia Becomes MG in that order if I'm correct, could easily be wrong though, but shared motors and underpinning.0
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jonseventyfive said:Think, Hyundai becomes Kia Becomes MG in that order if I'm correct, could easily be wrong though, but shared motors and underpinning.
Hyundai own a third of KIA, but I don't believe MG has anything to do with either being a wholly Chinese operation.
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I thought mg were Indian owned?0
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The best small car ever made?
it’s on my list as we’re currently looking for a smaller car. (Sorry, don’t know how to embed a YouTube video in a post).0 -
Christ on a bike it’s hideous.JamesSeed said:The best small car ever made?
it’s on my list as we’re currently looking for a smaller car. (Sorry, don’t know how to embed a YouTube video in a post).Edit. Watched the video and to be fair it looks a very good small city car.1 -
ShootersHillGuru said:
Christ on a bike it’s hideous.JamesSeed said:The best small car ever made?
it’s on my list as we’re currently looking for a smaller car. (Sorry, don’t know how to embed a YouTube video in a post).Edit. Watched the video and to be fair it looks a very good small city car.
They will sell it in the UK in bucket loads.
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Will go down a treat in St Davids then.ShootersHillGuru said:
Christ on a bike it’s hideous.JamesSeed said:The best small car ever made?
it’s on my list as we’re currently looking for a smaller car. (Sorry, don’t know how to embed a YouTube video in a post).Edit. Watched the video and to be fair it looks a very good small city car.2 -
Is his bike electric?ShootersHillGuru said:
Christ on a bike it’s hideous.JamesSeed said:The best small car ever made?
it’s on my list as we’re currently looking for a smaller car. (Sorry, don’t know how to embed a YouTube video in a post).0 -
Probably. I believe he keeps it at ohm !4
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That is niceChizz said:1
