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PragueAddick said:fenlandaddick said:Tesla have the lead on charging infrastructure. If I need to supercharge then I set the map to the nearest supercharger. If re-routes me if they are all busy. The car preconditions the battery so I get maximum charging. I turn up, reverse in, plug in the car and off it goes. No messing with cards or different apps etc. Other manufacturers need to catch-up, been caught napping.I appreciate the guy in charge of Tesla is a bit of an acquired taste. The Tesla products are very good.I would also say the latest models are a very good product from the perspective of a car for driver and means of transport. The earlier models are less so.0
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swordfish said:PragueAddick said:fenlandaddick said:Tesla have the lead on charging infrastructure. If I need to supercharge then I set the map to the nearest supercharger. If re-routes me if they are all busy. The car preconditions the battery so I get maximum charging. I turn up, reverse in, plug in the car and off it goes. No messing with cards or different apps etc. Other manufacturers need to catch-up, been caught napping.I appreciate the guy in charge of Tesla is a bit of an acquired taste. The Tesla products are very good.I would also say the latest models are a very good product from the perspective of a car for driver and means of transport. The earlier models are less so.5
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PragueAddick said:swordfish said:PragueAddick said:fenlandaddick said:Tesla have the lead on charging infrastructure. If I need to supercharge then I set the map to the nearest supercharger. If re-routes me if they are all busy. The car preconditions the battery so I get maximum charging. I turn up, reverse in, plug in the car and off it goes. No messing with cards or different apps etc. Other manufacturers need to catch-up, been caught napping.I appreciate the guy in charge of Tesla is a bit of an acquired taste. The Tesla products are very good.I would also say the latest models are a very good product from the perspective of a car for driver and means of transport. The earlier models are less so.1
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Carter said:PragueAddick said:swordfish said:PragueAddick said:fenlandaddick said:Tesla have the lead on charging infrastructure. If I need to supercharge then I set the map to the nearest supercharger. If re-routes me if they are all busy. The car preconditions the battery so I get maximum charging. I turn up, reverse in, plug in the car and off it goes. No messing with cards or different apps etc. Other manufacturers need to catch-up, been caught napping.I appreciate the guy in charge of Tesla is a bit of an acquired taste. The Tesla products are very good.I would also say the latest models are a very good product from the perspective of a car for driver and means of transport. The earlier models are less so.That's surprising. There may be many reasons why you wouldn't drive a BMW but they make some of the very best interiors in my view. We are all different of course and beauty is in the eye of the beholder!
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bobmunro said:Carter said:PragueAddick said:swordfish said:PragueAddick said:fenlandaddick said:Tesla have the lead on charging infrastructure. If I need to supercharge then I set the map to the nearest supercharger. If re-routes me if they are all busy. The car preconditions the battery so I get maximum charging. I turn up, reverse in, plug in the car and off it goes. No messing with cards or different apps etc. Other manufacturers need to catch-up, been caught napping.I appreciate the guy in charge of Tesla is a bit of an acquired taste. The Tesla products are very good.I would also say the latest models are a very good product from the perspective of a car for driver and means of transport. The earlier models are less so.That's surprising. There may be many reasons why you wouldn't drive a BMW but they make some of the very best interiors in my view. We are all different of course and beauty is in the eye of the beholder!0
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Interiors are what they are, but for me does the fecker rattle and buzz, that's what does my head in the most.
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swordfish said:PragueAddick said:fenlandaddick said:Tesla have the lead on charging infrastructure. If I need to supercharge then I set the map to the nearest supercharger. If re-routes me if they are all busy. The car preconditions the battery so I get maximum charging. I turn up, reverse in, plug in the car and off it goes. No messing with cards or different apps etc. Other manufacturers need to catch-up, been caught napping.I appreciate the guy in charge of Tesla is a bit of an acquired taste. The Tesla products are very good.I would also say the latest models are a very good product from the perspective of a car for driver and means of transport. The earlier models are less so.
The fact that your neighbour hasn't is not an endorsement of EVs. How long is your "while"?0 -
Gisappointed said:swordfish said:PragueAddick said:fenlandaddick said:Tesla have the lead on charging infrastructure. If I need to supercharge then I set the map to the nearest supercharger. If re-routes me if they are all busy. The car preconditions the battery so I get maximum charging. I turn up, reverse in, plug in the car and off it goes. No messing with cards or different apps etc. Other manufacturers need to catch-up, been caught napping.I appreciate the guy in charge of Tesla is a bit of an acquired taste. The Tesla products are very good.I would also say the latest models are a very good product from the perspective of a car for driver and means of transport. The earlier models are less so.
The fact that your neighbour hasn't is not an endorsement of EVs. How long is your "while"?
I wasn't making a serious point, hence the emoji. I was exaggerating the sort of widespread inaccurate generalisation based on anecdotal examples you see on here from time to time by those railing against EV's in arguing for them.1 -
letthegoodtimesroll said:CafcWest said:fenlandaddick said:Carter said:valleynick66 said:EVs will have some sort of tariff on charging introduced to replace lost petrol / diesel levies.I assume this will be sooner rather than later.For me the base cost of the car needs to reduce before there will be a larger uptake as the savings today on ‘mileage’ won’t be there for ever.
Cost is falling all the time. A reasonable system is less than people spend on a new kitchen or even bathroom1 -
swordfish said:If a rogue elephant is left running amok in the Whitehouse soon, we can look forward to another acceleration in the rate of US carbon emissions as he fires up for more fossil fuel exploration and extraction to make America great again.
An anecdotal EV infrastructure observation from my parish, a small town with one petrol station next to a supermarket with EV charging points (super fast ones too I think) I've driven past them countless times and on only a handful of occasions have I seen any cars using them. If I was to buy an EV I'd have easy access to charging within a mile of home.0 -
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bobmunro said:Carter said:PragueAddick said:swordfish said:PragueAddick said:fenlandaddick said:Tesla have the lead on charging infrastructure. If I need to supercharge then I set the map to the nearest supercharger. If re-routes me if they are all busy. The car preconditions the battery so I get maximum charging. I turn up, reverse in, plug in the car and off it goes. No messing with cards or different apps etc. Other manufacturers need to catch-up, been caught napping.I appreciate the guy in charge of Tesla is a bit of an acquired taste. The Tesla products are very good.I would also say the latest models are a very good product from the perspective of a car for driver and means of transport. The earlier models are less so.That's surprising. There may be many reasons why you wouldn't drive a BMW but they make some of the very best interiors in my view. We are all different of course and beauty is in the eye of the beholder!0
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MrOneLung said:swordfish said:If a rogue elephant is left running amok in the Whitehouse soon, we can look forward to another acceleration in the rate of US carbon emissions as he fires up for more fossil fuel exploration and extraction to make America great again.
An anecdotal EV infrastructure observation from my parish, a small town with one petrol station next to a supermarket with EV charging points (super fast ones too I think) I've driven past them countless times and on only a handful of occasions have I seen any cars using them. If I was to buy an EV I'd have easy access to charging within a mile of home.1 -
MrOneLung said:swordfish said:If a rogue elephant is left running amok in the Whitehouse soon, we can look forward to another acceleration in the rate of US carbon emissions as he fires up for more fossil fuel exploration and extraction to make America great again.
An anecdotal EV infrastructure observation from my parish, a small town with one petrol station next to a supermarket with EV charging points (super fast ones too I think) I've driven past them countless times and on only a handful of occasions have I seen any cars using them. If I was to buy an EV I'd have easy access to charging within a mile of home.0 -
Carter said:valleynick66 said:EVs will have some sort of tariff on charging introduced to replace lost petrol / diesel levies.I assume this will be sooner rather than later.For me the base cost of the car needs to reduce before there will be a larger uptake as the savings today on ‘mileage’ won’t be there for ever.
These are prices for new cars. Second hand there are some great bargains available:Dacia Spring £14.3k
MG ZS EV £18.8k
Peugeot e-208 22k
Peugeot e-2008 21k
Nissan Leaf £22.5k
Fiat 500e £22k
Citroen e-C4 £24k
BYD Dolphin 25k
And if you want to go more upmarket there’s the Volvo EX-30 at £32k
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red10 said:@chizz you stated "for more than one million people" in your reply. Hence me looking up the UK population in my response !!. However, I think we have to accept, given that we have around 30 million dwellings in the UK, some of which have no cars and some have multiple cars we seriously have an infrastructure issue to resolve. Not withstanding the huge outlay on the new vehicles which I suspect a large number of the population cannot afford and in addition to how the hell do we generate the electricity to support it, not an easy fix.
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AddicksAddict said:letthegoodtimesroll said:CafcWest said:fenlandaddick said:Carter said:valleynick66 said:EVs will have some sort of tariff on charging introduced to replace lost petrol / diesel levies.I assume this will be sooner rather than later.For me the base cost of the car needs to reduce before there will be a larger uptake as the savings today on ‘mileage’ won’t be there for ever.
Cost is falling all the time. A reasonable system is less than people spend on a new kitchen or even bathroom0 -
.ShootersHillGuru said:All things being equal I’m sure that within the next five years EV cars will have ranges that make “range anxiety” a thing of the past. That’s the point at which I will change to EV. I still don’t believe that the issues regarding on street parking for millions of homes will have been resolved but I’m sure it will be better than it currently is. Even so. It will only be the newest EV’s that will have extended ranges so for probably ten years or so ranges for the bulk of the nations EV fleet will remain in my view inadequate in terms of range.
If I was a travelling salesman driving hundreds of miles every day, with no time to stop for twenty minutes, well then I’d probably stick with petrol for now.But otherwise I take the view that it’s worth changing for the decreased running and servicing costs, and the environmental benefits. Plus the acceleration and quieter journeys. I don’t make long journeys any more, so it’s a no brainer really.I’ll still miss my Skoda Yeti though.1 -
ShootersHillGuru said:Chizz said:letthegoodtimesroll said:Chizz said:ShootersHillGuru said:All things being equal I’m sure that within the next five years EV cars will have ranges that make “range anxiety” a thing of the past. That’s the point at which I will change to EV. I still don’t believe that the issues regarding on street parking for millions of homes will have been resolved but I’m sure it will be better than it currently is. Even so. It will only be the newest EV’s that will have extended ranges so for probably ten years or so ranges for the bulk of the nations EV fleet will remain in my view inadequate in terms of range.
35% of UK car journeys are under 2km.
Less than a third of UK car journeys are more than 5km.
The average journey length is 8.1miles.
On average, people spend just over an hour a day travelling, including 35 minutes by car.
These datapoints don't really lead to a conclusion that "EVs remain inadequate for everyone".I first looked at buying an EV about four years ago, and they’ve improved a lot since then.0 -
JamesSeed said:red10 said:@chizz you stated "for more than one million people" in your reply. Hence me looking up the UK population in my response !!. However, I think we have to accept, given that we have around 30 million dwellings in the UK, some of which have no cars and some have multiple cars we seriously have an infrastructure issue to resolve. Not withstanding the huge outlay on the new vehicles which I suspect a large number of the population cannot afford and in addition to how the hell do we generate the electricity to support it, not an easy fix.
Living where I do, with 4 chargers in a 5 mile radius I would need something that could do 250 to 300 odd miles before I could consider it, so that probably takes me into Tesla country and to tow a caravan on top it won't be cheap. Not sure where you get your electricity from but the last time I looked it was pretty damn expensive just to run the house.
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Using current figures, over 11 months, I have done 5772 miles @ 29.2kWh / 100miles which with my Octopus tariff of 25.24p / kWh makes £7.37 / 100miles. Most of the mileage was short, local trips. These are crude calculations ignoring changes in tariff rates, standing charges, free solar power etc.0
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red10 said:JamesSeed said:red10 said:@chizz you stated "for more than one million people" in your reply. Hence me looking up the UK population in my response !!. However, I think we have to accept, given that we have around 30 million dwellings in the UK, some of which have no cars and some have multiple cars we seriously have an infrastructure issue to resolve. Not withstanding the huge outlay on the new vehicles which I suspect a large number of the population cannot afford and in addition to how the hell do we generate the electricity to support it, not an easy fix.
Living where I do, with 4 chargers in a 5 mile radius I would need something that could do 250 to 300 odd miles before I could consider it, so that probably takes me into Tesla country and to tow a caravan on top it won't be cheap. Not sure where you get your electricity from but the last time I looked it was pretty damn expensive just to run the house.The infrastructure is growing all the time, as are sales. I think sales will increase exponentially as a) smaller/cheaper EV’s are becoming available b) the infrastructure improves & c) battery technology improves.1 -
JamesSeed said:.ShootersHillGuru said:All things being equal I’m sure that within the next five years EV cars will have ranges that make “range anxiety” a thing of the past. That’s the point at which I will change to EV. I still don’t believe that the issues regarding on street parking for millions of homes will have been resolved but I’m sure it will be better than it currently is. Even so. It will only be the newest EV’s that will have extended ranges so for probably ten years or so ranges for the bulk of the nations EV fleet will remain in my view inadequate in terms of range.
If I was a travelling salesman driving hundreds of miles every day, with no time to stop for twenty minutes, well then I’d probably stick with petrol for now.But otherwise I take the view that it’s worth changing for the decreased running and servicing costs, and the environmental benefits. Plus the acceleration and quieter journeys. I don’t make long journeys any more, so it’s a no brainer really.I’ll still miss my Skoda Yeti though.0 -
guinnessaddick said:JamesSeed said:.ShootersHillGuru said:All things being equal I’m sure that within the next five years EV cars will have ranges that make “range anxiety” a thing of the past. That’s the point at which I will change to EV. I still don’t believe that the issues regarding on street parking for millions of homes will have been resolved but I’m sure it will be better than it currently is. Even so. It will only be the newest EV’s that will have extended ranges so for probably ten years or so ranges for the bulk of the nations EV fleet will remain in my view inadequate in terms of range.
If I was a travelling salesman driving hundreds of miles every day, with no time to stop for twenty minutes, well then I’d probably stick with petrol for now.But otherwise I take the view that it’s worth changing for the decreased running and servicing costs, and the environmental benefits. Plus the acceleration and quieter journeys. I don’t make long journeys any more, so it’s a no brainer really.I’ll still miss my Skoda Yeti though.3 -
guinnessaddick said:JamesSeed said:.ShootersHillGuru said:All things being equal I’m sure that within the next five years EV cars will have ranges that make “range anxiety” a thing of the past. That’s the point at which I will change to EV. I still don’t believe that the issues regarding on street parking for millions of homes will have been resolved but I’m sure it will be better than it currently is. Even so. It will only be the newest EV’s that will have extended ranges so for probably ten years or so ranges for the bulk of the nations EV fleet will remain in my view inadequate in terms of range.
If I was a travelling salesman driving hundreds of miles every day, with no time to stop for twenty minutes, well then I’d probably stick with petrol for now.But otherwise I take the view that it’s worth changing for the decreased running and servicing costs, and the environmental benefits. Plus the acceleration and quieter journeys. I don’t make long journeys any more, so it’s a no brainer really.I’ll still miss my Skoda Yeti though.0 -
swordfish said:MrOneLung said:swordfish said:If a rogue elephant is left running amok in the Whitehouse soon, we can look forward to another acceleration in the rate of US carbon emissions as he fires up for more fossil fuel exploration and extraction to make America great again.
An anecdotal EV infrastructure observation from my parish, a small town with one petrol station next to a supermarket with EV charging points (super fast ones too I think) I've driven past them countless times and on only a handful of occasions have I seen any cars using them. If I was to buy an EV I'd have easy access to charging within a mile of home.1 -
Stupid question (possibly)
If you charge an electric car at a normal pay and display car park, do you pay for parking and charging or is parking free if using the charging point?0 -
red10 said:JamesSeed said:red10 said:@chizz you stated "for more than one million people" in your reply. Hence me looking up the UK population in my response !!. However, I think we have to accept, given that we have around 30 million dwellings in the UK, some of which have no cars and some have multiple cars we seriously have an infrastructure issue to resolve. Not withstanding the huge outlay on the new vehicles which I suspect a large number of the population cannot afford and in addition to how the hell do we generate the electricity to support it, not an easy fix.
Living where I do, with 4 chargers in a 5 mile radius I would need something that could do 250 to 300 odd miles before I could consider it, so that probably takes me into Tesla country and to tow a caravan on top it won't be cheap. Not sure where you get your electricity from but the last time I looked it was pretty damn expensive just to run the house.MG4 EV (£21,000)
‘Battery range up to 329 milesThe MG4 is one of the least expensive EVs on sale now. Just because it’s a bargain, though, it doesn’t mean that it lacks quality: it was our Carwow Car of the Year in 2023. Sharp exterior design and a decent-quality cabin are good early indications, then you start to notice – and be impressed by – all the equipment that’s fitted as standard. The infotainment system isn’t the best, and you’ll have to turn the volume up to drown out some road noise at high speeds, but a range of up to 323 miles cements its place as one of the best value EV on the market.’0 -
JamesSeed said:red10 said:JamesSeed said:red10 said:@chizz you stated "for more than one million people" in your reply. Hence me looking up the UK population in my response !!. However, I think we have to accept, given that we have around 30 million dwellings in the UK, some of which have no cars and some have multiple cars we seriously have an infrastructure issue to resolve. Not withstanding the huge outlay on the new vehicles which I suspect a large number of the population cannot afford and in addition to how the hell do we generate the electricity to support it, not an easy fix.
Living where I do, with 4 chargers in a 5 mile radius I would need something that could do 250 to 300 odd miles before I could consider it, so that probably takes me into Tesla country and to tow a caravan on top it won't be cheap. Not sure where you get your electricity from but the last time I looked it was pretty damn expensive just to run the house.MG4 EV (£21,000)
‘Battery range up to 329 milesThe MG4 is one of the least expensive EVs on sale now. Just because it’s a bargain, though, it doesn’t mean that it lacks quality: it was our Carwow Car of the Year in 2023. Sharp exterior design and a decent-quality cabin are good early indications, then you start to notice – and be impressed by – all the equipment that’s fitted as standard. The infotainment system isn’t the best, and you’ll have to turn the volume up to drown out some road noise at high speeds, but a range of up to 323 miles cements its place as one of the best value EV on the market.’Also goes on to say interior feels cheap and boot space smaller than rivals. It’s a no from me.
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JamesSeed said:red10 said:JamesSeed said:red10 said:@chizz you stated "for more than one million people" in your reply. Hence me looking up the UK population in my response !!. However, I think we have to accept, given that we have around 30 million dwellings in the UK, some of which have no cars and some have multiple cars we seriously have an infrastructure issue to resolve. Not withstanding the huge outlay on the new vehicles which I suspect a large number of the population cannot afford and in addition to how the hell do we generate the electricity to support it, not an easy fix.
Living where I do, with 4 chargers in a 5 mile radius I would need something that could do 250 to 300 odd miles before I could consider it, so that probably takes me into Tesla country and to tow a caravan on top it won't be cheap. Not sure where you get your electricity from but the last time I looked it was pretty damn expensive just to run the house.MG4 EV (£21,000)
‘Battery range up to 329 milesThe MG4 is one of the least expensive EVs on sale now. Just because it’s a bargain, though, it doesn’t mean that it lacks quality: it was our Carwow Car of the Year in 2023. Sharp exterior design and a decent-quality cabin are good early indications, then you start to notice – and be impressed by – all the equipment that’s fitted as standard. The infotainment system isn’t the best, and you’ll have to turn the volume up to drown out some road noise at high speeds, but a range of up to 323 miles cements its place as one of the best value EV on the market.’2