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Israeli football fans attacked in Amsterdam
RodneyCharltonTrotta
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Dutch Hooliganism is really becoming a problem isn't it, given what English fans have had to deal with when facing them in Continental Competition over the last couple of seasons - Strangely doesnt seem an issue Internationally though, as everyone was loving and praising the atmosphere that the Dutch walk up to Stadiums was creating during the Euros.0
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This goes beyond hooliganism. Wouldn't have happened to Barcelona or Milan fans.
Fans being told not to display jewish symbols for their own safety in Europe in 2024? Like 1939 jesus wept.14 -
True... On initial reading I thought it was Football fan vs Football fan violenceRodneyCharltonTrotta said:This goes beyond hooliganism. Wouldn't have happened to Barcelona or Milan fans.
Fans being told not to display jewish symbols for their own safety in Europe in 2024? Like 1939 jesus wept.1 -
You having a laugh? Literally says in the article: "Maccabi supporters attacked taxi and burned Palestine flag, police say"The Maccabi fans weren't some little lambs that were attacked, they were clearly hooligans13
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Israeli football fans were singing about death to Arabs and tearing down Palestinian flags being hung from people's balconies, too.
I link the following tweet NOT as an endorsement for the caption, but for the videos included: https://x.com/SMohyeddin/status/1854756872982581396
This is hooliganism fuelled by wider tensions in the Middle East and I am not taking a side here but the narrative has to be fair. Indeed, on the link you posted RCT, Dutch police have acknowledged Maccabi fans burned a Palestinian flag.
Also, some Dutch people were breaking into hotels looking for Maccabi fans. That is proper scary.
This whole thing is horrendous.16 -
Disgusting and I'm not condoning these attacks in any way but doesn't sound like the Maccabi fans were entirely innocent.7
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PaddyP17 said:
This whole thing is horrendous.
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Just wish politics, religion etc could stay completely out of football / sport.Life just seems to increasingly jumping on a train to division, wished sport could be a sanctuary from that.17
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jacob_CAFC said:You having a laugh? Literally says in the article: "Maccabi supporters attacked taxi and burned Palestine flag, police say"The Maccabi fans weren't some little lambs that were attacked, they were clearly hooligans
No not having a laugh. It is disgusting this is happening on the streets of Europe in 2024. Horrendous if c**** are burning Palestinian flags and horrendous if c**** are beating people up for being jewish. I dont think the violence was limited to those burning flags.
As paddy says just horrendous.5 -
Booing and letting off flares during the minute silence for the Valencia flood victims sums up what sort of people the travelling Maccabi fans are.17
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Comments - all anecdotal of course - bit of a mess here but provide lots of "both sides" type stuff - https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1gmewrb/hakim_ziyech_mocks_israeli_fans_being_attacked_on/
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AFKABartram said:Just wish politics, religion etc could stay completely out of football / sport.Life just seems to increasingly jumping on a train to division, wished sport could be a sanctuary from that.
It is crazy isn't it. Going backwards.3 -
literally half the story, seen plenty of videos of fans ripping down Palestine flags but that doesnt suit the narrative being pushed by the media as usual.8
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Ajax had worse violence against AEK Athens a few seasons ago, led to AEK throwing a petrol bomb during the return fixture. Despite the city's reputation Ajax have a very violent following and this occurs at most of their European matches. There have been complete bans on away followings and bubble matches in the Dutch league.1
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Sadly i doubt it will be the last incident we see with Israeli citizens being targeted. The world is at its most volatile as it's ever been especially with what happened in the US this week.5
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You can’t even stop the obsession on here, what chance is there in the wider domain.AFKABartram said:Just wish politics, religion etc could stay completely out of football / sport.Life just seems to increasingly jumping on a train to division, wished sport could be a sanctuary from that.5 -
I can't help but feel some news agencies are using this to push their own agendas. Talk of pogroms on the BBC, we're talking about football ffs.3
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Bedsaddick said:Sadly i doubt it will be the last incident we see with Israeli citizens being targeted. The world is at its most volatile as it's ever been especially with what happened in the US this week.
I'd say the opposite. We'll see.4 -
I doubt very much that those attacking Jews on the streets of a European city are “Dutch“ hooligans, or, indeed, “Dutch hooligans”.ForeverAddickted said:Dutch Hooliganism is really becoming a problem isn't it, given what English fans have had to deal with when facing them in Continental Competition over the last couple of seasons - Strangely doesnt seem an issue Internationally though, as everyone was loving and praising the atmosphere that the Dutch walk up to Stadiums was creating during the Euros.6 -
When sovereign nations effectively own entire football clubs, it's very difficult to seperate politics and sport.AFKABartram said:Just wish politics, religion etc could stay completely out of football / sport.Life just seems to increasingly jumping on a train to division, wished sport could be a sanctuary from that.5 -
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It can’t help but this goes back much further. Looking it up Israel joined UEFA over 30 years ago in 1992, and left the Asian equivalent in 1974.Algarveaddick said:
When sovereign nations effectively own entire football clubs, it's very difficult to seperate politics and sport.AFKABartram said:Just wish politics, religion etc could stay completely out of football / sport.Life just seems to increasingly jumping on a train to division, wished sport could be a sanctuary from that.They’re not the only country impacted either, there are a few countries that aren’t allowed to be in the same qualifying groups due to wars, politics etc.4 -
Not sure this is relevant to the trouble there this week.Friend Or Defoe said:Ajax had worse violence against AEK Athens a few seasons ago, led to AEK throwing a petrol bomb during the return fixture. Despite the city's reputation Ajax have a very violent following and this occurs at most of their European matches. There have been complete bans on away followings and bubble matches in the Dutch league.0 -
Off on a slight tangent, but would be curious to know what would happen if those cases made it to the same Tournament - Kosovo / Serbia is one of the likely ones... But you could keep them apart for the Groups, but there is surely always the slightest of chances they'll meet at some stage, even if its not until the FinalScoham said:
It can’t help but this goes back much further. Looking it up Israel joined UEFA over 30 years ago in 1992, and left the Asian equivalent in 1974.Algarveaddick said:
When sovereign nations effectively own entire football clubs, it's very difficult to seperate politics and sport.AFKABartram said:Just wish politics, religion etc could stay completely out of football / sport.Life just seems to increasingly jumping on a train to division, wished sport could be a sanctuary from that.They’re not the only country impacted either, there are a few countries that aren’t allowed to be in the same qualifying groups due to wars, politics etc.2 -
Have the U21s or U18s got a game today?4
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Trust me, it is.Ducktapeshoerepairs said:
Not sure this is relevant to the trouble there this week.Friend Or Defoe said:Ajax had worse violence against AEK Athens a few seasons ago, led to AEK throwing a petrol bomb during the return fixture. Despite the city's reputation Ajax have a very violent following and this occurs at most of their European matches. There have been complete bans on away followings and bubble matches in the Dutch league.1 -
You mean attacking Maccabi fans?SporadicAddick said:
I doubt very much that those attacking Jews on the streets of a European city are “Dutch“ hooligans, or, indeed, “Dutch hooligans”.ForeverAddickted said:Dutch Hooliganism is really becoming a problem isn't it, given what English fans have had to deal with when facing them in Continental Competition over the last couple of seasons - Strangely doesnt seem an issue Internationally though, as everyone was loving and praising the atmosphere that the Dutch walk up to Stadiums was creating during the Euros.
I'm on the side of humanity.
Think for yourself. Same story, different spin.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/8/israeli-football-fans-clash-with-protesters-in-amsterdam
https://news.sky.com/story/israel-says-it-will-deploy-rescue-mission-after-violent-incident-targeting-israeli-citizens-in-amsterdam-13250370
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I used to referee some games in the Maccabi GB Southern Football League, and also ran the line for a game at Sparrows Lane between a Charlton team and a UK Maccabi all stars U23 team.
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I'm not sure it is just about people not wanting to disturb comfortable lives - I think it is that conflict seems to be actively promoted on social media including football forums and sensible discussion occasionally ensues, but too often it simply serves to entrench opinions rather than enlighten them. In a world where we are one click away from multiple stories of horror and sadness it is natural that sometimes we want to escape that.Jessie said:
Thanks for the information. I used to wonder why they were in the Euros instead of the Asian tournament but I never actually looked it up until now. I must add that to me they apparently look more like Westerners than Asians.😆Scoham said:
It can’t help but this goes back much further. Looking it up Israel joined UEFA over 30 years ago in 1992, and left the Asian equivalent in 1974.Algarveaddick said:
When sovereign nations effectively own entire football clubs, it's very difficult to seperate politics and sport.AFKABartram said:Just wish politics, religion etc could stay completely out of football / sport.Life just seems to increasingly jumping on a train to division, wished sport could be a sanctuary from that.They’re not the only country impacted either, there are a few countries that aren’t allowed to be in the same qualifying groups due to wars, politics etc.
As for the so-called obsession with politics, I don't think it's an obsession - politics has direct impacts on (many) people's life. It's inevitable that people want to talk about it. If one feels sick and tired of seeing this kind of stuff being brought up, chances are he/she leads a pretty comfortable life and doesn't have to worry about the various forms of impacts that politics brings. - This of course doesn't mean I think CL is the place to discuss politics. I noticed some time ago it's definitely not a welcomed subject here😅 (I'll get my coat...)3 -
It’s a mad bad world.0
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As Scoham replied above, Israel and Israeli clubs wouldn't be competing in European competitions if it wasn't for politics.AFKABartram said:Just wish politics, religion etc could stay completely out of football / sport.Life just seems to increasingly jumping on a train to division, wished sport could be a sanctuary from that.
Indeed I've sometimes wondered whether Israel playing in Asia again might help the situation. You wouldn't make the change now obviously, and yes Israel vs Iran would be horrendously tense, but maybe it would have started the process towards reconciliation and a slight normalisation of the relations of the countries of the region. After all Ireland and N Ireland aren't prevented from playing each other, ditto North and South Korea.2
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