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I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................
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I don't want him sacked but I'm so disappointed. He has been set up for success. We did a lot of our business early, he had the whole summer to work with the squad and lay down how we were going to play, and within 10 games he's had to rip that whole plan up, and will likely have to rip up the latest system soon.
He has been allowed to spearhead recruitment and sell a popular player to fund people he wanted. He's been given a top-class sports scientist and I'm not sure I've seen such a fit team in a long time (you can tell by the way we dominate the last 10 mins of every game). And, according to former players, the training ground is better than it has ever been, including the prem days.
The guy has been set up for success but he's failing. Once again we're looking like our season might be over by Christmas, and we're going to have to use Jan to put things right that were obvious in July.
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I think this is probably what makes the situation so grating (for me at least.) The likes of Holden, Appleton, Gardner etc may have had some pretty low points but there were always some sort of mitigating reasons or other things going on, bad management of the club in general or money issues etc. Not to say they weren't bad because they were for various reasons and to varying degrees. But all those times we also knew that things behind the scenes were pretty bad and maybe a bad team was just a symptom of that.Chunes said:I don't want him sacked but I'm so disappointed. He has been set up for success. We did a lot of our business early, he had the whole summer to work with the squad and lay down how we were going to play, and within 10 games he's had to rip that whole plan up, and will likely have to rip up the latest system soon.
He has been allowed to spearhead recruitment and sell a popular player to fund people he wanted. He's been given a top-class sports scientist and I'm not sure I've seen such a fit team in a long time (you can tell by the way we dominate the last 10 mins of every game). And, according to former players, the training ground is better than it has ever been, including the prem days.
The guy has been set up for success but he's failing. Once again we're looking like our season might be over by Christmas, and we're going to have to use Jan to put things right that were obvious in July.
But Jones? He's been given money, he's been given control, he's even got the best medical resources we've had for a long time. He's been given every single advantage and opportunity to make something better and what we've got is a team of cloggers. High energy cloggers who can run around busily for an impressive amount of time doing not very much except bore us to tears.
It's not good enough. It's got to get better. I hope it does. But right now... no its not good enough and Jones has to take actual responsibility for that and not say "Well I want better."
Then MAKE it better Nathan Jones. Do your job.15 -
For those who want more attacking football manager, I hear Ruud van Nistelrooy is looking for a job 😏0
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Stable and crap and bad to watch ?superdulvertonred said:We need some stability not another manager sacked1 -
100% in support of stability that what I’ve yearned for but I just can’t see a way that Jones is the one to commit to, he’s not growing or learning or improving or attempting to2
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It's obviously not great but that stat is slightly misleading because he came in after the January window to a team very low on confidence that hadn't won for months and was heading for relegation. He was working with players that he didn't sign and did a pretty reasonable job in getting us to safety with games to spare.Chunes said:
7 defeats in 30 isn't bad at all. The issue is we don't have any creative spark to turn those draws into wins.13 -
I agree, Jones is a crank but with Methven and Scott in charge we’re only going to attract the unhinged (Jones) or the below average (Appleton). It won’t improve until they go.Lincsaddick said:I'm coming more and more to the conclusion that Jones N is a crank. His touchline antics, erratic interviews, odd team selections .. he's had a couple of good seasons elsewhere along with several bad ones. Like many many managers who build a career and reputation on the 'good' he is living on past results that went his way.
Mark Robins has been replaced by a Welshman at Coventry, I'd love him to take over at the Valley replacing another Welshman. However, I wonder if after seven turbulent years managing Coventry, he is looking for some r&r for a while and doesn't need another semi basket case managerial role.
To sum up, Jones is yet another bad appointment by whoever is holding the Charlton power and purse strings at the time4 -
Mid table in league 1 is not going to get him a decent move after the terrible tenures he’s had recently at Stoke and Soton - he really needs this to go wellBigDiddy said:Jones is moody and stubborn.
I doubt he’s here next season and i bet he is touting his next club now;
Problem is the dross he leaves behind.
Outlook is grim6 -
Agree totally with this. I'm just hoping that something will "click" with NJ and the players and we'll see an improvement in the second half of the season. If he goes I dread to think of who might replace him. We wont attract anyone with a genuine reputation so it'll either be a hopeful punt on a young relative unknown (think Des Buckingham) or a lower league journeyman (think Appleton). I still favour giving Jones more time over these scenarios.Chunes said:I don't want him sacked but I'm so disappointed. He has been set up for success. We did a lot of our business early, he had the whole summer to work with the squad and lay down how we were going to play, and within 10 games he's had to rip that whole plan up, and will likely have to rip up the latest system soon.
He has been allowed to spearhead recruitment and sell a popular player to fund people he wanted. He's been given a top-class sports scientist and I'm not sure I've seen such a fit team in a long time (you can tell by the way we dominate the last 10 mins of every game). And, according to former players, the training ground is better than it has ever been, including the prem days.
The guy has been set up for success but he's failing. Once again we're looking like our season might be over by Christmas, and we're going to have to use Jan to put things right that were obvious in July.4 -
This post sums it up. Make no mistake about it, we were drifting towards relegation last season before he took over. As things stand, we have moved from being relegation candidates to mid table candidates. It’s disappointing, but before we ditch Jones we ought to be pretty certain that any replacement is going to do better with the resources given to him.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
It's obviously not great but that stat is slightly misleading because he came in after the January window to a team very low on confidence that hadn't won for months and was heading for relegation. He was working with players that he didn't sign and did a pretty reasonable job in getting us to safety with games to spare.Chunes said:
7 defeats in 30 isn't bad at all. The issue is we don't have any creative spark to turn those draws into wins.8 - Sponsored links:
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Possibly, but I think Charlton is seen as a bit of a free hit. If it goes well you’ll look like a genius, if it goes badly and you get the sack then people will just say you never had a chance because we’re a basket case of a club (and that’s definitely how you and your agent will spin it).Danny Addick said:
Mid table in league 1 is not going to get him a decent move after the terrible tenures he’s had recently at Stoke and Soton - he really needs this to go wellBigDiddy said:Jones is moody and stubborn.
I doubt he’s here next season and i bet he is touting his next club now;
Problem is the dross he leaves behind.
Outlook is grimIf we sacked Jones tomorrow he’d get another job before the end of the season.5 -
Chunes said:I don't want him sacked but I'm so disappointed. He has been set up for success. We did a lot of our business early, he had the whole summer to work with the squad and lay down how we were going to play, and within 10 games he's had to rip that whole plan up, and will likely have to rip up the latest system soon.
He has been allowed to spearhead recruitment and sell a popular player to fund people he wanted. He's been given a top-class sports scientist and I'm not sure I've seen such a fit team in a long time (you can tell by the way we dominate the last 10 mins of every game). And, according to former players, the training ground is better than it has ever been, including the prem days.
The guy has been set up for success but he's failing. Once again we're looking like our season might be over by Christmas, and we're going to have to use Jan to put things right that were obvious in July.
This is absolutely where I'm at , it's just general disappointment with how things are going. Feels like there's no real plan , the "box" midfield did the job to nullify Birmingham but I'm not sure if it's ever going to offer much in the way of creativity against the rest of the league. Expected more from the ex Luton signings (Hylton aside) given they're all players with experience of how NJ plays.
Just find this attritional style of football seemingly predicated on being fitter than the opposition so dull. I just can't see a situation where he takes the brakes off though. We're not suddenly going to be transformed into passing teams off the pitch in an attacking formation with flying wingers and a creative No10 that runs the show.7 -
Well apparently we have the 4th biggest budget in the league. Shouldn't we be expecting around a 4th place finish ? We have been underperforming league position to budget wise for years. How are we ever going to progress when our better players are allowed to move on and replaced with journeymen.Mametz said:
This post sums it up. Make no mistake about it, we were drifting towards relegation last season before he took over. As things stand, we have moved from being relegation candidates to mid table candidates. It’s disappointing, but before we ditch Jones we ought to be pretty certain that any replacement is going to do better with the resources given to him.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
It's obviously not great but that stat is slightly misleading because he came in after the January window to a team very low on confidence that hadn't won for months and was heading for relegation. He was working with players that he didn't sign and did a pretty reasonable job in getting us to safety with games to spare.Chunes said:
7 defeats in 30 isn't bad at all. The issue is we don't have any creative spark to turn those draws into wins.6 -
I think the real disappointment is that he had moved us from performing like relegation candidates to performing like a mid table team by the end of last season. So this season should have seen further progression from there but it hasn’t, we aren’t any better now than we were at the end of last seasonMametz said:
This post sums it up. Make no mistake about it, we were drifting towards relegation last season before he took over. As things stand, we have moved from being relegation candidates to mid table candidates. It’s disappointing, but before we ditch Jones we ought to be pretty certain that any replacement is going to do better with the resources given to him.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
It's obviously not great but that stat is slightly misleading because he came in after the January window to a team very low on confidence that hadn't won for months and was heading for relegation. He was working with players that he didn't sign and did a pretty reasonable job in getting us to safety with games to spare.Chunes said:
7 defeats in 30 isn't bad at all. The issue is we don't have any creative spark to turn those draws into wins.
We have just got to give him time though, and hope he can get us to take another step forward from mid table into promotion material4 -
I’m still pissed off about the time and money spent going to Exeter.
An awful low point of the weekend.
I don’t mind a defeat. I’m used to them.
But it was just a pathetic display.
Having said that, changing manager feels like a disaster. I agree that 3 or 4 years is needed by anyone to revive a club dying on its arse.0 -
Two main reasons we haven't improved from the end of last season.NabySarr said:
I think the real disappointment is that he had moved us from performing like relegation candidates to performing like a mid table team by the end of last season. So this season should have seen further progression from there but it hasn’t, we aren’t any better now than we were at the end of last seasonMametz said:
This post sums it up. Make no mistake about it, we were drifting towards relegation last season before he took over. As things stand, we have moved from being relegation candidates to mid table candidates. It’s disappointing, but before we ditch Jones we ought to be pretty certain that any replacement is going to do better with the resources given to him.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
It's obviously not great but that stat is slightly misleading because he came in after the January window to a team very low on confidence that hadn't won for months and was heading for relegation. He was working with players that he didn't sign and did a pretty reasonable job in getting us to safety with games to spare.Chunes said:
7 defeats in 30 isn't bad at all. The issue is we don't have any creative spark to turn those draws into wins.
We have just got to give him time though, and hope he can get us to take another step forward from mid table into promotion material
Dobson and May.
Our two best players replaced by crap.16 -
Next few comments will be about getting sent off in a dud game in a rubbish cup.2
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Fancy getting sent off in a rubbish game in a dud cup!10
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The fancy dud! Getting sent off in a rubbish cup game10
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I sat fairly close to the dugout tonight, he’s pretty hyper ain’t he?Looked on edge all the time, kept glancing at the crowd as if looking for some sort of acknowledgement or checking reactions, very strange.0
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And exactly with what currency is Jones touting ? It isn’t the roaring success he’s currently enjoyingBigDiddy said:Jones is moody and stubborn.
I doubt he’s here next season and i bet he is touting his next club now;
Problem is the dross he leaves behind.
Outlook is grim0 -
he's nutsDA9 said:I sat fairly close to the dugout tonight, he’s pretty hyper ain’t he?Looked on edge all the time, kept glancing at the crowd as if looking for some sort of acknowledgement or checking reactions, very strange.7 -
I've said it before and I'll say it again, any new manager would have kept us up last season. We just needed a change from Appleton.Mametz said:
This post sums it up. Make no mistake about it, we were drifting towards relegation last season before he took over. As things stand, we have moved from being relegation candidates to mid table candidates. It’s disappointing, but before we ditch Jones we ought to be pretty certain that any replacement is going to do better with the resources given to him.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
It's obviously not great but that stat is slightly misleading because he came in after the January window to a team very low on confidence that hadn't won for months and was heading for relegation. He was working with players that he didn't sign and did a pretty reasonable job in getting us to safety with games to spare.Chunes said:
7 defeats in 30 isn't bad at all. The issue is we don't have any creative spark to turn those draws into wins.4 -
Bring. Back. Powell.3
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Slightly controversial, but I don’t think the injury situation is as bad as is being made out. I think we’re probably missing ~3 players that would make the first team which, at this stage of the season, doesn’t feel horrific.Showmetheway2gohome said:To me you got to question the players commitment.we can’t keep blaming manager after manager how can they play like that against Birmingham then not be able to string a pass together since.
Then injuries why are all our players injured season after season.
you used to have half the team present in every squad and 2/3 would play every game nowadays your lucky to see 1 player be present in every match.Feels like we always have injuries and we’ve been through worse.4 -
He should be sacked just for not signing a creative midfielder which every person could see we needed1
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Who would we get if we did sack him?
We need stability.7 -
The figures are correct and in no way misleadingChris_from_Sidcup said:
It's obviously not great but that stat is slightly misleading because he came in after the January window to a team very low on confidence that hadn't won for months and was heading for relegation. He was working with players that he didn't sign and did a pretty reasonable job in getting us to safety with games to spare.Chunes said:
7 defeats in 30 isn't bad at all. The issue is we don't have any creative spark to turn those draws into wins.
22 points from 16 games last season
19 points from 14 this
Will Jones be anywhere these points total after 30 games this season as per below?09/10: 57 points - 3rd - Parkinson
11/12: 68 points - 1st - Powell
18/19: 54 points - 4th - Bowyer
All those seasons managers in their first full season in charge, just like Jones at present4
