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I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................
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I don’t think it’s controversial, I posted a break down the other day. Most of the injured players don’t improve our starting 11.se9addick said:
Slightly controversial, but I don’t think the injury situation is as bad as is being made out. I think we’re probably missing ~3 players that would make the first team which, at this stage of the season, doesn’t feel horrific.Showmetheway2gohome said:To me you got to question the players commitment.we can’t keep blaming manager after manager how can they play like that against Birmingham then not be able to string a pass together since.
Then injuries why are all our players injured season after season.
you used to have half the team present in every squad and 2/3 would play every game nowadays your lucky to see 1 player be present in every match.Feels like we always have injuries and we’ve been through worse.
Jones was clutching at straws when boosting the numbers by mentioning Edun being injured (our third choice LWB, and he could easily be overtaken by Enslin), despite being on the bench.
It gives Jones an explanation for our form, but what’s really happened is his plan to battle harder and hoof it long hasn’t worked as he expected. Docherty isn’t the goalscoring midfielder he hoped he would be, Ahadme not the target man we needed and so on.8 -
Not fit to lace Dobbo’s bootsShowmetheway2gohome said:Coventry not the Dobson we expected3 -
Maybe NJ is focusing too much on the EFL trophy…after all we are top of the league!🤓4
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This.redbuttle said:Who would we get if we did sack him?
We need stability.
In the little over three and a half years since Bowyer left, we have had six full time managers. This churn has not improved our standing and last season was our lowest league position for ninety+ years. Given that and remembering it took Curbishley, albeit in straightened times, seven years to get his first promotion maybe, just maybe, it might be worth sticking with a manager, who does have a promotion on his CV, for a little longer.
Of course, if Klopp fancies spending some time in the capital……..
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I just can't fathom the thinking behind this? The team is devoid of any attacking threat whatsoever, we don't have anyone who can beat a man, we don't have any pace (only TC). If we don't sign x2 creative/attack minded midfielders in Jan I will lose hope in NJ.FAVADDICK said:He should be sacked just for not signing a creative midfielder which every person could see we needed1 -
Yes, Jones clearly went for an approach that wanted to focus on physicality and endeavour and it equally clearly isn't working.J BLOCK said:
I just can't fathom the thinking behind this? The team is devoid of any attacking threat whatsoever, we don't have anyone who can beat a man, we don't have any pace (only TC). If we don't sign x2 creative/attack minded midfielders in Jan I will lose hope in NJ.FAVADDICK said:He should be sacked just for not signing a creative midfielder which every person could see we needed
If he acknowledges it and changes course in January then it won't exactly make it "okay" as we've lost half a season already, but it shows that he can at least acknowledge the mistake and work to correct it.
If he doesn't or just doubles down on it then all faith is gone on my part. Self belief is one thing, wilful delusion is another entirely.5 -
Powell👏🏻 Does👏🏻Not👏🏻Want👏🏻the👏🏻Job. And who can blame him. He has a nice gig at Sheffield Wednesday.paulsturgess said:Bring. Back. Powell.
I am more annoyed we sacked Jackson and Euell never got a chance (and I apply annoyance to AFC Wimbledon (obviously this isn't about the Jackson sacking) as well, the guy score goals, but can't catch a break).4 -
So many fans in the summer (including myself) pointed out the lack of attacking creativity, yet our recruitment team somehow couldn't identify this. Hopefully they learn from their mistakes and address the situation in January, but I'm not holding my breath.1
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Safer to call it as it happens. If we keep going at the current rate, no, but the key word in that statement is 'IF' as the past can't be used to predict the future with certainly.shirty5 said:
The figures are correct and in no way misleadingChris_from_Sidcup said:
It's obviously not great but that stat is slightly misleading because he came in after the January window to a team very low on confidence that hadn't won for months and was heading for relegation. He was working with players that he didn't sign and did a pretty reasonable job in getting us to safety with games to spare.Chunes said:
7 defeats in 30 isn't bad at all. The issue is we don't have any creative spark to turn those draws into wins.
22 points from 16 games last season
19 points from 14 this
Will Jones be anywhere these points total after 30 games this season as per below?09/10: 57 points - 3rd - Parkinson
11/12: 68 points - 1st - Powell
18/19: 54 points - 4th - Bowyer
All those seasons managers in their first full season in charge, just like Jones at present
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Slight disagreement from me - the recruitment team were fully aware, this was a completely intentional situation. They DID identify it but thought it would work anyway.charlton_hero said:So many fans in the summer (including myself) pointed out the lack of attacking creativity, yet our recruitment team somehow couldn't identify this. Hopefully they learn from their mistakes and address the situation in January, but I'm not holding my breath.
Trying to go with a physical approach was a deliberate choice but it's one that went wrong.
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He signed the players!!!Showmetheway2gohome said:To me you got to question the players commitment.we can’t keep blaming manager after manager how can they play like that against Birmingham then not be able to string a pass together since.
Then injuries why are all our players injured season after season.
you used to have half the team present in every squad and 2/3 would play every game nowadays your lucky to see 1 player be present in every match.And the fact they’re capable of Birmingham but not delivering it suggests poor management/ coaching
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Without doubt we are under performing and yes NJ is a highly strung loon. However when he signed the likes of Berry, Cambell, Doc I assume like the majority on here he expected them to be the players they had been previously. These are players that had played successfully in the Championship and also didnt disgrace themselves in the Premiership but WTF !!! Berry last night was playing against a 2nd string league two outfit who were resting most of their 1st team and he still looked miles off it !!! Then Doc comes on and does nothing exceptional, I think we could be excused for thinking they should look a class above in those circumstances but if anything they looked out of their depth !! it just doesnt make any sense3
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We hear you.....but can we interest you in yet another holding midfielder who we can shoehorn into the #10 role? Maybe it'll work this time, who knows!charlton_hero said:So many fans in the summer (including myself) pointed out the lack of attacking creativity, yet our recruitment team somehow couldn't identify this. Hopefully they learn from their mistakes and address the situation in January, but I'm not holding my breath.1 -
The last statement you make here is the most poignant for me, it doesn't make any sense how bad our players look as footballers we know they have achieved elsewhere and surely can't be as average as they're showing currently and surely Nath isn't saying 'What I want is for you all to be static as fuck, lump anonymous balls up the pitch and don't anticipate the drop or challenge for seconds'. I am completely at a loss as to where its going wrong, except for the fact we have absolutely no pace in the team when TC and Ramsay are out, but that doesn't answer much for me as we play with no width, we keep calling it a 3 at the back when it's always a 5, a 3 would imply your wingbacks are bombing on which ours just do not doAndyG said:Without doubt we are under performing and yes NJ is a highly strung loon. However when he signed the likes of Berry, Cambell, Doc I assume like the majority on here he expected them to be the players they had been previously. These are players that had played successfully in the Championship and also didnt disgrace themselves in the Premiership but WTF !!! Berry last night was playing against a 2nd string league two outfit who were resting most of their 1st team and he still looked miles off it !!! Then Doc comes on and does nothing exceptional, I think we could be excused for thinking they should look a class above in those circumstances but if anything they looked out of their depth !! it just doesnt make any sense0 -
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Exactly my point mate it isnt like the Ben Watson situation where clearly his legs had gone, these players should be in their prime and they all look so far off its ridiculous ! dont get me started on Ahadme who without doubt tries and puts the effort in but just doesnt have the pace to be a professional footballer in my eyes, Im 62 and have smoked all my life never really done anything to remain in peak fitness but I honestly would back myself in a 20 yard sprint against himYannTheMann said:
The last statement you make here is the most poignant for me, it doesn't make any sense how bad our players look as footballers we know they have achieved elsewhere and surely can't be as average as they're showing currently and surely Nath isn't saying 'What I want is for you all to be static as fuck, lump anonymous balls up the pitch and don't anticipate the drop or challenge for seconds'. I am completely at a loss as to where its going wrong, except for the fact we have absolutely no pace in the team when TC and Ramsay are out, but that doesn't answer much for me as we play with no width, we keep calling it a 3 at the back when it's always a 5, a 3 would imply your wingbacks are bombing on which ours just do not doAndyG said:Without doubt we are under performing and yes NJ is a highly strung loon. However when he signed the likes of Berry, Cambell, Doc I assume like the majority on here he expected them to be the players they had been previously. These are players that had played successfully in the Championship and also didnt disgrace themselves in the Premiership but WTF !!! Berry last night was playing against a 2nd string league two outfit who were resting most of their 1st team and he still looked miles off it !!! Then Doc comes on and does nothing exceptional, I think we could be excused for thinking they should look a class above in those circumstances but if anything they looked out of their depth !! it just doesnt make any sense3 -
Luton need to get a move on with sacking Rob Edwards and taking Jones off us.6
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I have no idea who we bring in. I just wonder when the inflexion point arises that Jones' (stability's) defenders start to ask the question....is it worth keeping a rubbish manager just in case we hire another rubbish manager?redbuttle said:Who would we get if we did sack him?
We need stability.
We may indeed hire an equally bad manager but I'm willing to risk it because I'm absolutely certain (and have been for months) that we unquestionably have a rubbish manager now.
Jones was hounded out of Stoke and Southampton for playing the Panglossian village idiot whilst serving up football that's almost impossibly bad to watch. With every vacancy he fills, his success at Luton becomes increasingly mystifying and more and more of a stark anomaly as opposed to something we can be confident he will replicate given time. I'd love to call him a one trick pony but he's actually just pony. Our lack of Plan B is less concerning than a nine month tenure that has yet to produce a Plan A.
I'm not paying to watch any more of this dirge. I said after the Bristol Rovers game that Jones' 'style' of play could easily see us beat Brum 1-0 but equally make us highly likely to lose 1-0 to Exeter. I'm hardly Nostradamus but fans need to stop reading individual results and smell the coffee. What you're watching every week is unacceptable. Yes, his style of play means we will be safe from relegation. We will scrape together enough ugly points to stay up (we might even do it next game...it's not us turning a corner) but this team which he has put together, playing the football he wants them to play, are less creative than your average brick and he is entirely to blame for that. These professional players train all week to produce these performances, game after game after game, having taken all their instructions from him.
I can handle us struggling if we're at least trying to play football but I've no idea under what false illusions fans are still turning up at matches. We're going nowhere and there's not even a pretense of entertainment or excitement. If the reason for attending is loyalty to the club then it should extend to calling for this manager to be axed. I said it once and I'll keep parroting it, stability does not bring success, it is success that brings stability. There is no sense in obstinately backing the wrong man out of a faith in stability. There is no point in fearing change will bring about failure, when you've been watching nine months of seriously flawed failure under NJ.21 -
🎼 “Nathan Jones has he been here too long”…🫣Making_all_the_noise said:
I have no idea who we bring in. I just wonder when the inflexion point arises that Jones' (stability's) defenders start to ask the question....is it worth keeping a rubbish manager just in case we hire another rubbish manager?redbuttle said:Who would we get if we did sack him?
We need stability.
We may indeed hire an equally bad manager but I'm willing to risk it because I'm absolutely certain (and have been for months) that we unquestionably have a rubbish manager now.
Jones was hounded out of Stoke and Southampton for playing the Panglossian village idiot whilst serving up football that's almost impossibly bad to watch. With every vacancy he fills, his success at Luton becomes increasingly mystifying and more and more of a stark anomaly as opposed to something we can be confident he will replicate given time. I'd love to call him a one trick pony but he's actually just pony. Our lack of Plan B is less concerning than a nine month tenure that has yet to produce a Plan A.
I'm not paying to watch any more of this dirge. I said after the Bristol Rovers game that Jones' 'style' of play could easily see us beat Brum 1-0 but equally make us highly likely to lose 1-0 to Exeter. I'm hardly Nostradamus but fans need to stop reading individual results and smell the coffee. What you're watching every week is unacceptable. Yes, his style of play means we will be safe from relegation. We will scrape together enough ugly points to stay up (we might even do it next game...it's not us turning a corner) but this team which he has put together, playing the football he wants them to play, are less creative than your average brick and he is entirely to blame for that. These professional players train all week to produce these performances, game after game after game, having taken all their instructions from him.
I can handle us struggling if we're at least trying to play football but I've no idea under what false illusions fans are still turning up at matches. We're going nowhere and there's not even a pretense of entertainment or excitement. If the reason for attending is loyalty to the club then it should extend to calling for this manager to be axed. I said it once and I'll keep parroting it, stability does not bring success, it is success that brings stability. There is no sense in obstinately backing the wrong man out of a faith in stability. There is no point in fearing change will bring about failure, when you've been watching nine months of seriously flawed failure under NJ.2 - Sponsored links:
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Have always been jones in and sacking a manager every 6 months is not ideal. But by christ is NJ making it hard for me now.24
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Dreadful football and an embarrassment on the touchline. I ve had enough of him.7
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It’s not great by any means but we tried the continuous sackings cycle and that got us nowhere I would still stick with him4
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2 massive league games coming up for Jones and the squad. Anything less than 6 points and questions will be asked2
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It's not great but he has been hampered by injuries and most importantly I don't know who we would replace him with. The only manager I can think of who is available that I'd like is Mark Robins but that won't happen. We need players back and some good signings in January but our recruitment team is clearly poor too.2
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I'm not advocating for him to be sacked either, but even before the injuries we still didn't look goodfenaddick said:It's not great but he has been hampered by injuries and most importantly I don't know who we would replace him with. The only manager I can think of who is available that I'd like is Mark Robins but that won't happen. We need players back and some good signings in January but our recruitment team is clearly poor too.3 -
Let’s face it. It’s been a big disappointment8
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I just don’t give a shit anymore.7
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ShootersHillGuru said:Let’s face it. It’s been a big disappointment
In some ways that sums up being a football supporter. Other than the odd joyous blip.0 -
I want a manager to inspire players and get us playing decent stuff, being a pitch side lunatic isn't high on my priority list.1
