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POST-MATCH THREAD: Huddersfield Town v Charlton Athletic: Saturday 23rd November 2024: KO 15:00
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Fair enough, it could be that nearly every current professional footballer manager/set piece coach must be wrong and you are correct, but that doesn’t seem that likely.agim said:
Sorry mate but there's absolutely nothing you can say that will convince me zonal marking is a good idea at our level with our capabilitesNabySarr said:
Once you take out our 3 zonal players then small is probably one of the taller players left. He’s also quick and strong which are also useful attributes when marking a playeragim said:
May be the case but it doesn't make sense to me. After a quick Google Small is 5ft10 and Pearson who scored the goal is 6ft3. Pearson now has 4 goals in 9 so clearly a threat. You don't stick someone who's under 6ft on him regardless of physicality that's a crazy tactical decision.NabySarr said:
The way corners are defended nowadays, your best 2 or 3 headers are given zonal rolesagim said:
I was thinking exactly this. I'm pretty sure the commentary said it was hid 4th goal this season as well so not bad for a centre half. Surely Leaburn or Mitchell or Mac should have been on him?Gisappointed said:
As I have posted elsewhere, their guy is six three. Neither Small nor REG should have been marking him. Who allocated his marker? Who didnt change it when the same player hit the bar minutes later. A clue, it wasn't Charlie Methven or our American owners.Covered End said:
It was Small not REG.The Red Robin said:Luckily didn’t go to the game. What exactly
is REG doing for their first goal? Right on his man and doesn’t even move.Small should have done a lot more to prevent the goal. He doesn’t have to win the header, but he’s got to put him off and make it harder to score. He’s probably one of our strongest players physically but did absolutely nothing. The goal is nothing to do with how we set up, it was Small’s fault entirely
You can think it’s crazy, but pretty much every team defends corners like this, so it probably isn’t that crazy if all the top managers set up the same way. If Small had defended properly then we likely wouldn’t have concededA mix of zonal and man marking is the best way to defend a corner, which is why pretty much every team in football defends in that way.Purely man marking is suicidal nowadays, because players can’t get away with the level of holding/grappling that was previously allowed without giving away a penalty.0 -
Gisappointed said:What "zone" were our big men marking, because Pearson scored from between 2/3 to 3/4 towards the back post, directly in front of goal?
Our set up is Leaburn front, Mitchell middle and Gillesphey back, everyone else picks up a spare man. Watching the goal back and Mitchell and/or Gillesphey should go for the ball but don’t
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I think the ability of the players is a factor. When I managed at youth level I wouldn't dream of implementing or trying to implement zonal marking. But at a professional level, even leagues one and two, it shouldn't be too hard. What it seems to come down to is a player or players not doing their jobs which can be just as problematic playing a man to man system. Maybe the physical attributes of the players contributes.0
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I think the big thing is Lloyd Jones is missing and we don’t have anyone else in the squad that replaces what he offers us in aerial ability. Gillesphey is tall but he is useless in the air (and at most other things tbh), Mitchell is decent in the air but he isn’t that tall.MuttleyCAFC said:I think the ability of the players is a factor. When I managed at youth level I wouldn't dream of implementing or trying to implement zonal marking. But at a professional level, even leagues one and two, it shouldn't be too hard. What it seems to come down to is a player or players not doing their jobs which can be just as problematic playing a man to man system. Maybe the physical attributes of the players contributes.I don’t think we concede that goal if Jones is fit, and you could probably say that for quite a few goals we’ve conceded since his injury1 -
Just checked the TFL map, by the looks of things Zones 1-3, certainly not anything near Huddersfield 😉Gisappointed said:What "zone" were our big men marking, because Pearson scored from between 2/3 to 3/4 towards the back post, directly in front of goal?
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It is. So nothing to do with injuries, our midfield is non existent in terms of creativity. No midfielders are injured they are just not performing. I genuinely expected us to get better after Docherty was sent off and we did. A Campbell, Docherty, Anderson all offer nothing. Buck stops with Jones on this.crookester said:
That is shockingBailey said:Interesting stat, only one midfield player has provided an assist this season, Allan Campbell. Josh Edwards and Chuks are leading a very small field with two each.
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What zonal marking gives you is that grey area in between the zones where a player isn't sure whether to go for the ball or not which is exactly what happened on Saturday and I'm pretty sure against Exeter. On Saturday it left Small who's 5ft10 marking someone who's 6ft3. You say in a previous message it's not the system it's the players why it isn't working so why are we trying to do something that we both agree our players aren't up to. It's madness and it's cost us points definitely the last two games and probably more if I look into it. Just because something works for other clubs doesn't mean it will work for us.NabySarr said:
Fair enough, it could be that nearly every current professional footballer manager/set piece coach must be wrong and you are correct, but that doesn’t seem that likely.agim said:
Sorry mate but there's absolutely nothing you can say that will convince me zonal marking is a good idea at our level with our capabilitesNabySarr said:
Once you take out our 3 zonal players then small is probably one of the taller players left. He’s also quick and strong which are also useful attributes when marking a playeragim said:
May be the case but it doesn't make sense to me. After a quick Google Small is 5ft10 and Pearson who scored the goal is 6ft3. Pearson now has 4 goals in 9 so clearly a threat. You don't stick someone who's under 6ft on him regardless of physicality that's a crazy tactical decision.NabySarr said:
The way corners are defended nowadays, your best 2 or 3 headers are given zonal rolesagim said:
I was thinking exactly this. I'm pretty sure the commentary said it was hid 4th goal this season as well so not bad for a centre half. Surely Leaburn or Mitchell or Mac should have been on him?Gisappointed said:
As I have posted elsewhere, their guy is six three. Neither Small nor REG should have been marking him. Who allocated his marker? Who didnt change it when the same player hit the bar minutes later. A clue, it wasn't Charlie Methven or our American owners.Covered End said:
It was Small not REG.The Red Robin said:Luckily didn’t go to the game. What exactly
is REG doing for their first goal? Right on his man and doesn’t even move.Small should have done a lot more to prevent the goal. He doesn’t have to win the header, but he’s got to put him off and make it harder to score. He’s probably one of our strongest players physically but did absolutely nothing. The goal is nothing to do with how we set up, it was Small’s fault entirely
You can think it’s crazy, but pretty much every team defends corners like this, so it probably isn’t that crazy if all the top managers set up the same way. If Small had defended properly then we likely wouldn’t have concededA mix of zonal and man marking is the best way to defend a corner, which is why pretty much every team in football defends in that way.Purely man marking is suicidal nowadays, because players can’t get away with the level of holding/grappling that was previously allowed without giving away a penalty.1 -
What's even worse about this is that it's a inswinging corner so our "zonal defenders" should have a better run up and read of the delivery than the attacking team. So poorNabySarr said:Gisappointed said:What "zone" were our big men marking, because Pearson scored from between 2/3 to 3/4 towards the back post, directly in front of goal?Our set up is Leaburn front, Mitchell middle and Gillesphey back, everyone else picks up a spare man. Watching the goal back and Mitchell and/or Gillesphey should go for the ball but don’t
The set up isn’t the problem, our defenders are the problem2 -
wether you man mark, zonal or a mixture of both, you need a decent goalkeeper something AMB isn’t.2
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The corner was too far out for AMB to claim. He stood no chance once Pearson had a free header.Hartleypete said:wether you man mark, zonal or a mixture of both, you need a decent goalkeeper something AMB isn’t.2 -
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It’s fine because your xWeight is lowerAFKABartram said:
I’m putting on weight and we haven’t even started the Xmas season.Callumcafc said:So apart from the SMT being a bunch of chancers, the manager not having a clue and all the players being shit apart from the one who’s contract is up at the end of the season, what else have we got going on?
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Hmm, I see a problem hereBilly_Mix said:Was Nathan Asiimwe fit for selection on Saturday?
If so NJ is obviously taking the piss and looking for a pay off - Thierry Small in current form is a rotten defender, he is also totally left sided, in any event shoving him in at right back/wing back would be cavalier to the point of lunacy - if there's a halfway capable right sided defender available there is obviously no choice to make and Nathan Asiimwe is decent, with recent match experience and plaudits from his time at Hartlepool. Square pegs and round holes = ruin.
REG and Gillesphey are both way off even the standard required in this shitty shitty division but they're all we've got this week. Small at right back in favour of Asiimwe makes the same sense as Miles Leaburn at CH cos you think you don't fancy the other two.
I smell a rat, a very stinky rotten rat that smells bad. Or maybe we are actually in the grip of an awful injury crisis (and have a clueless gobshite for a manager).
Based on what we've seen so far, I'm no fan of Gassan Ahadme, he's nowhere near Miles Leaburn as a player but this forum almost to a man has dealt very differently with the two of them missing headed chances in Saturday's game.
Burton this week and Crawley next both need beating and not just by the odd goal, they both need a proper roasting. Even our threadbare squad should be tearing them several new holes. Properly coached, no square pegs, a simple gameplan sculpted around the scant playing resources and they are lambs to very bloody slaughters. Any of the now all too familiar NJ bullshit and more points will be tossed aside.
I'd like to go for similar against Walsall in the cup but pragmatism demands that some U21 & U18 scratch team will have to fulfil that fixture cos the resources for the league games are stretched so thinly as to be see-through
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apart from the CB and RB, which injured players would be first team starters? I realize we have a number of injuries but apart from the obvious 2, which injured players will make our increasingly bizarre starting line ups stronger? Asking as I am genuinely confused. Aren’t the majority of Jones signings fit and available? We left a half decent midfielder out of the squad on Saturday and seemed to play a left back out of position, we persist with Karoy who looked a bit lost. I don’t get Jones, but am starting to think that the Swindon All Stars version of CAFC would give the current Luton Vets version a reasonable game. We are in relegation form and I’m not seeing any improvement on last year and Jones stats as manager are really quite poor. Can’t wait for us to “click” which is Jones latest “wait for this thing to happen moment”, after the window, rebuilding, scoring, when we all get fit, and now “click”2
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We left our best midfielder out of the squad and there is no news of injury, so it makes no sense.
Playing Small at right back makes even less sense. Don't know if it's just me but something seems a bit off. I'll be watching tomorrow with fear in my heart.2 -
Fraud! He was impersonating a professional footballerAndyG said:
Is he really ? What did he get convicted of ?Braziliance said:Excellent post cabbles. If you don't laugh you'll cry, particularly at this part: Marcus Maddison - In Prison
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