Who would you want IF Jones does go..?

JustFloydRoad said:

king addick said:

Naturally, people were annoyed about last nights result. We didn't play well and whilst Crawley didn't either, they won and looked comfortable seeing the result out.

My question is, who would people want IF Jones does go? Me personally, I would like the look of Gary Rowett or Ryan Lowe. As an outside bet, Id like Mark Robins but think he will land a championship gig. 

If there is a manager who can break the cycle, and I am not talking about sleep walking into League Two, I would back another manager coming in, but there is no plan is there (and this is why we have Jones in the first place).

If you ask me I'd rather of kept Jackson (even if we got relegated)- then he could built a team, with Euell, and then we come back up gradually.

eaststandmike said:

lol, got to laugh at some of the suggestions above, some if not most would not touch us with a barge pole.

No way our owners are going to pay another club compensation to lure someone away 

JustFloydRoad said:

If (Nathan) Jones goes- I will stop watching Charlton, work on Saturdays, write off this season and come back next season.

usetobunkin said:

What would happen if we did get a “new special one “ who turned us around?
Be snapped up by Premier League club,and we would be back to square one. 

Radostanradical said:

Garrymanilow said:

I'm always confused about so many people wanting Johnnie Jackson as manager. He is one of my all time favourite players for Charlton and I adore him, but he wasn't a successful manager for us. We can sit here and talk about the players and the backing he had offsetting his terrible tactics but that's also exactly what we're saying about Jones. The situation isn't going to be any different so why would we go back in for a manager who has already shown he'll fail under these sorts of circumstances when we need someone to transcend that? You can say he might have improved since then but he's also in his third year of trying to get out of League Two so I'm not seeing a huge amount of evidence that he's going to take us up to the Championship. He knows the place (like Jones did) and I love seeing him associated with the club but it's a weird one to want. At least Powell won this league with us. He might succeed but going in for a manager who failed in L1 and is currently yet to achieve as much as Ben Garner in L2 would be an apocalyptic choice on here if it wasn't our old mate.

A better of revisionism needs to be seen here, Jackson's inherited players and played a style of football that was pragmatic and still got results. The form the team achieved with Jacko would of been around play-off form if he had been in charge earlier, not my opinion a quantifiable achievement. Less quantifiable though i believe had he been given a summer to bring in his players he would of changed the style, also how one earth did he fail in league one ? he was in charge for less than a season and took over a team from Adkins that had only won 2 matches out of 13 that season.

As for the point that he hasnt achieved what Garner has ? he is managing AFC Wimbledon not Swindon, they dont have the same resources. Genuine question, what do you constitute as failing for Jackson ? 

Lewis Coaches said:

JustFloydRoad said:

If (Nathan) Jones goes- I will stop watching Charlton, work on Saturdays, write off this season and come back next season.

Wonder what you would do if he stayed?

Garrymanilow said:

Radostanradical said:

Garrymanilow said:

I'm always confused about so many people wanting Johnnie Jackson as manager. He is one of my all time favourite players for Charlton and I adore him, but he wasn't a successful manager for us. We can sit here and talk about the players and the backing he had offsetting his terrible tactics but that's also exactly what we're saying about Jones. The situation isn't going to be any different so why would we go back in for a manager who has already shown he'll fail under these sorts of circumstances when we need someone to transcend that? You can say he might have improved since then but he's also in his third year of trying to get out of League Two so I'm not seeing a huge amount of evidence that he's going to take us up to the Championship. He knows the place (like Jones did) and I love seeing him associated with the club but it's a weird one to want. At least Powell won this league with us. He might succeed but going in for a manager who failed in L1 and is currently yet to achieve as much as Ben Garner in L2 would be an apocalyptic choice on here if it wasn't our old mate.

A better of revisionism needs to be seen here, Jackson's inherited players and played a style of football that was pragmatic and still got results. The form the team achieved with Jacko would of been around play-off form if he had been in charge earlier, not my opinion a quantifiable achievement. Less quantifiable though i believe had he been given a summer to bring in his players he would of changed the style, also how one earth did he fail in league one ? he was in charge for less than a season and took over a team from Adkins that had only won 2 matches out of 13 that season.

As for the point that he hasnt achieved what Garner has ? he is managing AFC Wimbledon not Swindon, they dont have the same resources. Genuine question, what do you constitute as failing for Jackson ? 

He got results sometimes. And then he didn't, sometimes for ages. Jackson got around 1.5 points a game, which isn't promotion form. It's better than we achieved with Adkins dropping all the points but he probably would have finished 10th or 11th, which isn't a success, it's a failure. It's not that bad, but I think it owed a lot to that very good start off the back off him freeing the team from the Adkins misery and wouldn't have been any more sustainable across a full season than it was over a shorter one so I suspect we would have got less. He started brilliantly and had the players working in a creative changeable 352 but that died away and became turgid and predictable as the season went on. When it was working it was good but he just refused to change it even when it was flailing badly. We won 4 of our first 6 and didn't lose any, but then we lost 4 of our next 6. Then a nice little 4 game run where we won 3 and drew one followed by a miserable 7 game run where we lost 6 and drew 1. His teams rarely drew games, we got beaten a lot and by some really poor teams. I honestly don't know who Jackson would have signed, but it doesn't matter, because he wouldn't have got them anyway and he probably wouldn't get them now. That's the point: the backing from the club is weird and limited, there's some bloke who wants completely different players to the manager and no-one ends up happy. Jackson lived that with Sandgaard and he couldn't make a silk purse from it any more than Jones has. Compare that to Bowyer who somehow sneaked us into the Play-Offs getting 2 points a game as caretaker while relying on the likes of Magennis, Ajose, Zyro and Kaikai to save the day.

Do you know much about Swindon? They are constantly lurching from one crisis to another and were relegated the previous season while Wimbledon stayed up. Swindon spent exactly £0 on transfer fees and are regularly a basket case, but Garner made it to the Play-Offs which is something Jacko is yet to achieve. Wimbledon were relegated in 21/22 and Jackson was brought in with the intention of taking them back up. He hasn't. He hasn't failed yet because he can still have a successful season, but he won't view any of his seasons so far as a success because they haven't been any more than last season was a success for any of our managers.

Radostanradical said:

Garrymanilow said:

Radostanradical said:

Garrymanilow said:

I'm always confused about so many people wanting Johnnie Jackson as manager. He is one of my all time favourite players for Charlton and I adore him, but he wasn't a successful manager for us. We can sit here and talk about the players and the backing he had offsetting his terrible tactics but that's also exactly what we're saying about Jones. The situation isn't going to be any different so why would we go back in for a manager who has already shown he'll fail under these sorts of circumstances when we need someone to transcend that? You can say he might have improved since then but he's also in his third year of trying to get out of League Two so I'm not seeing a huge amount of evidence that he's going to take us up to the Championship. He knows the place (like Jones did) and I love seeing him associated with the club but it's a weird one to want. At least Powell won this league with us. He might succeed but going in for a manager who failed in L1 and is currently yet to achieve as much as Ben Garner in L2 would be an apocalyptic choice on here if it wasn't our old mate.

A better of revisionism needs to be seen here, Jackson's inherited players and played a style of football that was pragmatic and still got results. The form the team achieved with Jacko would of been around play-off form if he had been in charge earlier, not my opinion a quantifiable achievement. Less quantifiable though i believe had he been given a summer to bring in his players he would of changed the style, also how one earth did he fail in league one ? he was in charge for less than a season and took over a team from Adkins that had only won 2 matches out of 13 that season.

As for the point that he hasnt achieved what Garner has ? he is managing AFC Wimbledon not Swindon, they dont have the same resources. Genuine question, what do you constitute as failing for Jackson ? 

He got results sometimes. And then he didn't, sometimes for ages. Jackson got around 1.5 points a game, which isn't promotion form. It's better than we achieved with Adkins dropping all the points but he probably would have finished 10th or 11th, which isn't a success, it's a failure. It's not that bad, but I think it owed a lot to that very good start off the back off him freeing the team from the Adkins misery and wouldn't have been any more sustainable across a full season than it was over a shorter one so I suspect we would have got less. He started brilliantly and had the players working in a creative changeable 352 but that died away and became turgid and predictable as the season went on. When it was working it was good but he just refused to change it even when it was flailing badly. We won 4 of our first 6 and didn't lose any, but then we lost 4 of our next 6. Then a nice little 4 game run where we won 3 and drew one followed by a miserable 7 game run where we lost 6 and drew 1. His teams rarely drew games, we got beaten a lot and by some really poor teams. I honestly don't know who Jackson would have signed, but it doesn't matter, because he wouldn't have got them anyway and he probably wouldn't get them now. That's the point: the backing from the club is weird and limited, there's some bloke who wants completely different players to the manager and no-one ends up happy. Jackson lived that with Sandgaard and he couldn't make a silk purse from it any more than Jones has. Compare that to Bowyer who somehow sneaked us into the Play-Offs getting 2 points a game as caretaker while relying on the likes of Magennis, Ajose, Zyro and Kaikai to save the day.

Do you know much about Swindon? They are constantly lurching from one crisis to another and were relegated the previous season while Wimbledon stayed up. Swindon spent exactly £0 on transfer fees and are regularly a basket case, but Garner made it to the Play-Offs which is something Jacko is yet to achieve. Wimbledon were relegated in 21/22 and Jackson was brought in with the intention of taking them back up. He hasn't. He hasn't failed yet because he can still have a successful season, but he won't view any of his seasons so far as a success because they haven't been any more than last season was a success for any of our managers.

Those extra 1.5 points a game over 13 games where he wasnt manager would of seen us finish with 80 points which most seasons is enough for a play off spot, admittedly not that season as 6th place had 83 points but i said around play off form ? no one claimed it was promotion form so where have you got that ? As i said its not up for debate its purely and utterly quantifiable and cant be argued with, even using your own formula for points per game.

Equally you in the next sentence mention Bowyer squeezing us to playoffs with those 4 when only one one of them made over 15 appearances that season and that was Magennis who most would agree was pretty decent and our top goal scorer that season ? and then what happened the next season ? Bowyer got his chance to bring in some players he wanted and got the team over the summer he made advancements won promotion. Whilst i concede promotion is never guaranteed its not beyond the realms of possibility that if Jackson, who actually by your own standard would of got more points the season he missed out on promotion than Bowyer did his first season, got another season he could of moved the squad forwards ?

All this is largely irrelevant as i can understand that people didnt like the football but to say he failed at league 1 level, again i ask you what do you constitute as failure ?  

ForeverAddickted said:

Jason Pearce or someone with a background like Kieran McKenna / Des Buckingham / Michael Skubala 

Someone new with fresh ideas, it worked when we hired Curbs - Powell - Bowyer. Dont necessarily care about their CV and what they've done beforehand

Braziliance said:

Another manager that could be a good appointment is Scott Lindsey. On paper he has the exact same achievement as Jones, a promotion from League2. 

Had Crawley last season with the 2nd highest average possession with 57%, 5th highest shots per match with 14.1 and the 3rd highest pass accuracy of 78%. If anything I feel he probably laid the foundations for Elliott.

Compared to currently with Jones: 10.8 shots per game (14th lowest), 15th lowest average possession (48%) and a pass accuracy of 68.8% (18th lowest). These stats are quite telling and show we really are just long ball merchants, and not very good at it.

Lindsey is currently at MK Dons. They're doing very well, up in 3rd, and so far this season averaging 12 shots per game, 60.6% average possession, and 81.2% pass accuracy. They're also thumping teams. Last 6 league wins, they've had a combined 17 goals and won every game. 

I know we have tried a similar appointment with Garner, but I am of the view Garner was the best of a bad bunch, who with more time, may have got us clicking. The difference with Lindsey though, is he actually achieved promotion from league2, unlike Garner.

This is another appointment I'd like to think the higher ups would be aware of, you can't fluke these kind of results and stats, that's the sign of a coach who can set up a team. If we can't get a league 1 manager, surely we can get a league 2 manager? 

swordfish said:

eaststandmike said:

lol, got to laugh at some of the suggestions above, some if not most would not touch us with a barge pole.

No way our owners are going to pay another club compensation to lure someone away 

Laughing at others suggestions, but have I missed yours?