Who would you want IF Jones does go..?

Ask Jason Pearce to take on the role temporarily whilst the club looks for a replacement and then drag the process out and take to the end of the season looking for someone if he is moving us up the table.

JP would automatically have the backing of the fans that Nathan hasn’t really had or appeared to have bothered about developing. We’ve seen how that backing for Curbs, SCP, Bowyer and even Jacko can make a significant difference.

Braziliance said:

Another manager that could be a good appointment is Scott Lindsey. On paper he has the exact same achievement as Jones, a promotion from League2. 

Had Crawley last season with the 2nd highest average possession with 57%, 5th highest shots per match with 14.1 and the 3rd highest pass accuracy of 78%. If anything I feel he probably laid the foundations for Elliott.

Compared to currently with Jones: 10.8 shots per game (14th lowest), 15th lowest average possession (48%) and a pass accuracy of 68.8% (18th lowest). These stats are quite telling and show we really are just long ball merchants, and not very good at it.

Lindsey is currently at MK Dons. They're doing very well, up in 3rd, and so far this season averaging 12 shots per game, 60.6% average possession, and 81.2% pass accuracy. They're also thumping teams. Last 6 league wins, they've had a combined 17 goals and won every game. 

I know we have tried a similar appointment with Garner, but I am of the view Garner was the best of a bad bunch, who with more time, may have got us clicking. The difference with Lindsey though, is he actually achieved promotion from league2, unlike Garner.

This is another appointment I'd like to think the higher ups would be aware of, you can't fluke these kind of results and stats, that's the sign of a coach who can set up a team. If we can't get a league 1 manager, surely we can get a league 2 manager? 

Lindsey was assistant manager to Ben Garner when Swindon narrowly missed promotion, but stayed with them after Garner and Scott Marshall joined us. 

His success by his own (and the lack of success for Garner) suggests that he was a major part of Garner's success at Swindon. I can't see him jumping ship again, having just jumped ship from Crawley to MKD. 

For all their relative lack of success, MKD have a clear identity on the pitch as a passing team, and all their recent head coaches have played a similar style.

killerandflash said:

Braziliance said:

Another manager that could be a good appointment is Scott Lindsey. On paper he has the exact same achievement as Jones, a promotion from League2. 

Had Crawley last season with the 2nd highest average possession with 57%, 5th highest shots per match with 14.1 and the 3rd highest pass accuracy of 78%. If anything I feel he probably laid the foundations for Elliott.

Compared to currently with Jones: 10.8 shots per game (14th lowest), 15th lowest average possession (48%) and a pass accuracy of 68.8% (18th lowest). These stats are quite telling and show we really are just long ball merchants, and not very good at it.

Lindsey is currently at MK Dons. They're doing very well, up in 3rd, and so far this season averaging 12 shots per game, 60.6% average possession, and 81.2% pass accuracy. They're also thumping teams. Last 6 league wins, they've had a combined 17 goals and won every game. 

I know we have tried a similar appointment with Garner, but I am of the view Garner was the best of a bad bunch, who with more time, may have got us clicking. The difference with Lindsey though, is he actually achieved promotion from league2, unlike Garner.

This is another appointment I'd like to think the higher ups would be aware of, you can't fluke these kind of results and stats, that's the sign of a coach who can set up a team. If we can't get a league 1 manager, surely we can get a league 2 manager? 

Lindsey was assistant manager to Ben Garner when Swindon narrowly missed promotion, but stayed with them after Garner and Scott Marshall joined us. 

His success by his own (and the lack of success for Garner) suggests that he was a major part of Garner's success at Swindon. I can't see him jumping ship again, having just jumped ship from Crawley to MKD. 

For all their relative lack of success, MKD have a clear identity on the pitch as a passing team, and all their recent head coaches have played a similar style.

Good points mate, but honestly, I'd like us to play like MK Dons, just obviously to a higher level. I can't stand watching games where we surrender the ball for long periods, the game has outgrown that style imo, and you need to control the game now, especially at home and at this level. 

You say he wouldn't hop, but if anything, his record proves he will, and money talks. I reckon if he was offered the right amount, he could be lured. 

Either way, that's the type of manager I want next, someone who either has a track record of making multiple clubs play good football, or someone with a recent promotion from League1 on their CV who doesn't play long ball. 

Braziliance said:

killerandflash said:

Braziliance said:

Another manager that could be a good appointment is Scott Lindsey. On paper he has the exact same achievement as Jones, a promotion from League2. 

Had Crawley last season with the 2nd highest average possession with 57%, 5th highest shots per match with 14.1 and the 3rd highest pass accuracy of 78%. If anything I feel he probably laid the foundations for Elliott.

Compared to currently with Jones: 10.8 shots per game (14th lowest), 15th lowest average possession (48%) and a pass accuracy of 68.8% (18th lowest). These stats are quite telling and show we really are just long ball merchants, and not very good at it.

Lindsey is currently at MK Dons. They're doing very well, up in 3rd, and so far this season averaging 12 shots per game, 60.6% average possession, and 81.2% pass accuracy. They're also thumping teams. Last 6 league wins, they've had a combined 17 goals and won every game. 

I know we have tried a similar appointment with Garner, but I am of the view Garner was the best of a bad bunch, who with more time, may have got us clicking. The difference with Lindsey though, is he actually achieved promotion from league2, unlike Garner.

This is another appointment I'd like to think the higher ups would be aware of, you can't fluke these kind of results and stats, that's the sign of a coach who can set up a team. If we can't get a league 1 manager, surely we can get a league 2 manager? 

Lindsey was assistant manager to Ben Garner when Swindon narrowly missed promotion, but stayed with them after Garner and Scott Marshall joined us. 

His success by his own (and the lack of success for Garner) suggests that he was a major part of Garner's success at Swindon. I can't see him jumping ship again, having just jumped ship from Crawley to MKD. 

For all their relative lack of success, MKD have a clear identity on the pitch as a passing team, and all their recent head coaches have played a similar style.

Good points mate, but honestly, I'd like us to play like MK Dons, just obviously to a higher level. I can't stand watching games where we surrender the ball for long periods, the game has outgrown that style imo, and you need to control the game now, especially at home and at this level. 

You say he wouldn't hop, but if anything, his record proves he will, and money talks. I reckon if he was offered the right amount, he could be lured. 

Either way, that's the type of manager I want next, someone who either has a track record of making multiple clubs play good football, or someone with a recent promotion from League1 on their CV who doesn't play long ball. 

Would there not be a concern of switching styles so dramatically? If we go for a Lindsey type manager then we will need to overhaul the squad and give the project time. MK Dons had a manager with similar philosophy before Lindsey, so he was able to play that way with the players he inherited. Look at our squad now and there are only a few that I think would fit that kind of style. 

These owners are 2 years in, I don’t think they’ve got the patience for that kind of appointment that needs a big overhaul and could take another couple of years to see the rewards. They won’t get rid of Jones, but if they did they will want someone who can come in and work with this squad, add a few of their own missing pieces and get results. Rather than starting from scratch with a new style. 

Bedsaddick said:

shirty5 said:

Bedsaddick said:

shirty5 said:

Bedsaddick said:

shirty5 said:

Start from the top. Get rid of Rodwell, Methven and Scott. Then employ an old head as Director of Football to choose a young man as Head Coach/Manager. (Under 40) 

Some of the best managers at Charlton were at the Valley under the age of 40. Lennie, Curbs, Seed

Who gets rid of them . Aren’t they the part of the actual behind the scenes set up ? 

The owners. Who else would get rid of them? 

Which ones?  . There are more than one set of investors 

All of them. Who else would would it be? 

How Naïve 

It’s my opinion Beds, you won’t change it

shirty5 said:

Bedsaddick said:

shirty5 said:

Bedsaddick said:

shirty5 said:

Bedsaddick said:

shirty5 said:

Start from the top. Get rid of Rodwell, Methven and Scott. Then employ an old head as Director of Football to choose a young man as Head Coach/Manager. (Under 40) 

Some of the best managers at Charlton were at the Valley under the age of 40. Lennie, Curbs, Seed

Who gets rid of them . Aren’t they the part of the actual behind the scenes set up ? 

The owners. Who else would get rid of them? 

Which ones?  . There are more than one set of investors 

All of them. Who else would would it be? 

How Naïve 

It’s my opinion Beds, you won’t change it

That's fine. We can't all agree on things

bromleyjohn said:

Nathan Jones should be given more time at least until the end of the season and see where that takes us. Most of you on here will say to relegation. But I think he needs more time and more time to learn from his mistakes. I personally think he has cocked up with the Bringing in of the wrong players, but I still think he is a good man manager and needs more time.

It won’t be relegation but we will end up in mid table once again if he stays and the crowds will drop in attendance for the rest of the season and into next.

NabySarr said:

Braziliance said:

NabySarr said:

Braziliance said:

killerandflash said:

Braziliance said:

Another manager that could be a good appointment is Scott Lindsey. On paper he has the exact same achievement as Jones, a promotion from League2. 

Had Crawley last season with the 2nd highest average possession with 57%, 5th highest shots per match with 14.1 and the 3rd highest pass accuracy of 78%. If anything I feel he probably laid the foundations for Elliott.

Compared to currently with Jones: 10.8 shots per game (14th lowest), 15th lowest average possession (48%) and a pass accuracy of 68.8% (18th lowest). These stats are quite telling and show we really are just long ball merchants, and not very good at it.

Lindsey is currently at MK Dons. They're doing very well, up in 3rd, and so far this season averaging 12 shots per game, 60.6% average possession, and 81.2% pass accuracy. They're also thumping teams. Last 6 league wins, they've had a combined 17 goals and won every game. 

I know we have tried a similar appointment with Garner, but I am of the view Garner was the best of a bad bunch, who with more time, may have got us clicking. The difference with Lindsey though, is he actually achieved promotion from league2, unlike Garner.

This is another appointment I'd like to think the higher ups would be aware of, you can't fluke these kind of results and stats, that's the sign of a coach who can set up a team. If we can't get a league 1 manager, surely we can get a league 2 manager? 

Lindsey was assistant manager to Ben Garner when Swindon narrowly missed promotion, but stayed with them after Garner and Scott Marshall joined us. 

His success by his own (and the lack of success for Garner) suggests that he was a major part of Garner's success at Swindon. I can't see him jumping ship again, having just jumped ship from Crawley to MKD. 

For all their relative lack of success, MKD have a clear identity on the pitch as a passing team, and all their recent head coaches have played a similar style.

Good points mate, but honestly, I'd like us to play like MK Dons, just obviously to a higher level. I can't stand watching games where we surrender the ball for long periods, the game has outgrown that style imo, and you need to control the game now, especially at home and at this level. 

You say he wouldn't hop, but if anything, his record proves he will, and money talks. I reckon if he was offered the right amount, he could be lured. 

Either way, that's the type of manager I want next, someone who either has a track record of making multiple clubs play good football, or someone with a recent promotion from League1 on their CV who doesn't play long ball. 

Would there not be a concern of switching styles so dramatically? If we go for a Lindsey type manager then we will need to overhaul the squad and give the project time. MK Dons had a manager with similar philosophy before Lindsey, so he was able to play that way with the players he inherited. Look at our squad now and there are only a few that I think would fit that kind of style. 

These owners are 2 years in, I don’t think they’ve got the patience for that kind of appointment that needs a big overhaul and could take another couple of years to see the rewards. They won’t get rid of Jones, but if they did they will want someone who can come in and work with this squad, add a few of their own missing pieces and get results. Rather than starting from scratch with a new style. 

I also think that’s a big risk for a mid-season appointment. Trying to play that way with this squad, without any time to really work on the training ground could be disastrous. You can’t just start popping it around at the back when you have Alex Mitchell as your best centre back 

I think it would be fine. Lloyd Jones and Mitchell are both comfortable playing it out from the back, especially paired up. TT and CC would suit a formation around ball retention and build up. That's your spine sorted already almost. I think with the right coach, maybe even a few of these players would look better than what they have showed so far. 

January around the corner, loan window, probably have some wiggle room. I'd argue it's more risky to stick with Jones, I look at the teams below us, and I see a fair few of them sorting themselves out. There's every chance currently we go down with Jones, which I never thought I'd say. Luckily, we had a bit of a fortunate start, and the teams below started terribly.

Taylor and Coventry are probably the only 2 players we have that suit. I’d also say Leaburn, if he was fully fit. I don’t think either centre back or goalkeeper options really suit. Mitchell is not comfortable on the ball, Jones is a little better so might be ok but we’d need a new goalkeeper (need one anyway tbf), and a new centre back (need one anyway) just as a starting point. A lot of the squad would be lost though and we’d struggle to offload them 

We have surely learnt by now that jumping from one style of play and recruiting a squad for it, sacking a manager, and then going a completely different direction is a disastrous way of running a club. You end up with a bloated squad full of players that don’t fit the style but you can’t get rid off 

I agree, sadly. Just look at Ahadme on a 4-year contract - he is going to struggle in a footballing team. Even our fullbacks/wingbacks, who are decent players, aren't really possession-based footballers who can feint, turn and keep the ball. In the midfield, we have zero central or attacking midfielders who can play that way. 

NabySarr said:

Braziliance said:

NabySarr said:

Braziliance said:

killerandflash said:

Braziliance said:

Another manager that could be a good appointment is Scott Lindsey. On paper he has the exact same achievement as Jones, a promotion from League2. 

Had Crawley last season with the 2nd highest average possession with 57%, 5th highest shots per match with 14.1 and the 3rd highest pass accuracy of 78%. If anything I feel he probably laid the foundations for Elliott.

Compared to currently with Jones: 10.8 shots per game (14th lowest), 15th lowest average possession (48%) and a pass accuracy of 68.8% (18th lowest). These stats are quite telling and show we really are just long ball merchants, and not very good at it.

Lindsey is currently at MK Dons. They're doing very well, up in 3rd, and so far this season averaging 12 shots per game, 60.6% average possession, and 81.2% pass accuracy. They're also thumping teams. Last 6 league wins, they've had a combined 17 goals and won every game. 

I know we have tried a similar appointment with Garner, but I am of the view Garner was the best of a bad bunch, who with more time, may have got us clicking. The difference with Lindsey though, is he actually achieved promotion from league2, unlike Garner.

This is another appointment I'd like to think the higher ups would be aware of, you can't fluke these kind of results and stats, that's the sign of a coach who can set up a team. If we can't get a league 1 manager, surely we can get a league 2 manager? 

Lindsey was assistant manager to Ben Garner when Swindon narrowly missed promotion, but stayed with them after Garner and Scott Marshall joined us. 

His success by his own (and the lack of success for Garner) suggests that he was a major part of Garner's success at Swindon. I can't see him jumping ship again, having just jumped ship from Crawley to MKD. 

For all their relative lack of success, MKD have a clear identity on the pitch as a passing team, and all their recent head coaches have played a similar style.

Good points mate, but honestly, I'd like us to play like MK Dons, just obviously to a higher level. I can't stand watching games where we surrender the ball for long periods, the game has outgrown that style imo, and you need to control the game now, especially at home and at this level. 

You say he wouldn't hop, but if anything, his record proves he will, and money talks. I reckon if he was offered the right amount, he could be lured. 

Either way, that's the type of manager I want next, someone who either has a track record of making multiple clubs play good football, or someone with a recent promotion from League1 on their CV who doesn't play long ball. 

Would there not be a concern of switching styles so dramatically? If we go for a Lindsey type manager then we will need to overhaul the squad and give the project time. MK Dons had a manager with similar philosophy before Lindsey, so he was able to play that way with the players he inherited. Look at our squad now and there are only a few that I think would fit that kind of style. 

These owners are 2 years in, I don’t think they’ve got the patience for that kind of appointment that needs a big overhaul and could take another couple of years to see the rewards. They won’t get rid of Jones, but if they did they will want someone who can come in and work with this squad, add a few of their own missing pieces and get results. Rather than starting from scratch with a new style. 

I also think that’s a big risk for a mid-season appointment. Trying to play that way with this squad, without any time to really work on the training ground could be disastrous. You can’t just start popping it around at the back when you have Alex Mitchell as your best centre back 

I think it would be fine. Lloyd Jones and Mitchell are both comfortable playing it out from the back, especially paired up. TT and CC would suit a formation around ball retention and build up. That's your spine sorted already almost. I think with the right coach, maybe even a few of these players would look better than what they have showed so far. 

January around the corner, loan window, probably have some wiggle room. I'd argue it's more risky to stick with Jones, I look at the teams below us, and I see a fair few of them sorting themselves out. There's every chance currently we go down with Jones, which I never thought I'd say. Luckily, we had a bit of a fortunate start, and the teams below started terribly.

Taylor and Coventry are probably the only 2 players we have that suit. I’d also say Leaburn, if he was fully fit. I don’t think either centre back or goalkeeper options really suit. Mitchell is not comfortable on the ball, Jones is a little better so might be ok but we’d need a new goalkeeper (need one anyway tbf), and a new centre back (need one anyway) just as a starting point. A lot of the squad would be lost though and we’d struggle to offload them 

We have surely learnt by now that jumping from one style of play and recruiting a squad for it, sacking a manager, and then going a completely different direction is a disastrous way of running a club. You end up with a bloated squad full of players that don’t fit the style but you can’t get rid off 

I think you'd see more with a better coach. This is all hypothetical anyway, as we won't get a manager like that, but Jones is really decent on the ball imo, and Mitchell is too. Mitchell is a victim of being stuck in the middle of clowns and jokers. REG isn't near Ramsays level, so he's had to pick up for his slack, and his current partner doesn't offer the same aerial service Jones does. Mitchell looked excellent on the ball one home game this season, just can't remember exactly who it was, might have been Brum? 

Each to their own, but I don't think it is, we would be better off gambling at this stage and giving a manager 30+ games and January to build a style for next season, than just giving Jones a year for the sake of it. Drastic changes are needed and I think something like this or Moore are solid options, I'd be happy with either. 

Radostanradical said:

Garrymanilow said:

Radostanradical said:

Garrymanilow said:

I'm always confused about so many people wanting Johnnie Jackson as manager. He is one of my all time favourite players for Charlton and I adore him, but he wasn't a successful manager for us. We can sit here and talk about the players and the backing he had offsetting his terrible tactics but that's also exactly what we're saying about Jones. The situation isn't going to be any different so why would we go back in for a manager who has already shown he'll fail under these sorts of circumstances when we need someone to transcend that? You can say he might have improved since then but he's also in his third year of trying to get out of League Two so I'm not seeing a huge amount of evidence that he's going to take us up to the Championship. He knows the place (like Jones did) and I love seeing him associated with the club but it's a weird one to want. At least Powell won this league with us. He might succeed but going in for a manager who failed in L1 and is currently yet to achieve as much as Ben Garner in L2 would be an apocalyptic choice on here if it wasn't our old mate.

A better of revisionism needs to be seen here, Jackson's inherited players and played a style of football that was pragmatic and still got results. The form the team achieved with Jacko would of been around play-off form if he had been in charge earlier, not my opinion a quantifiable achievement. Less quantifiable though i believe had he been given a summer to bring in his players he would of changed the style, also how one earth did he fail in league one ? he was in charge for less than a season and took over a team from Adkins that had only won 2 matches out of 13 that season.

As for the point that he hasnt achieved what Garner has ? he is managing AFC Wimbledon not Swindon, they dont have the same resources. Genuine question, what do you constitute as failing for Jackson ? 

He got results sometimes. And then he didn't, sometimes for ages. Jackson got around 1.5 points a game, which isn't promotion form. It's better than we achieved with Adkins dropping all the points but he probably would have finished 10th or 11th, which isn't a success, it's a failure. It's not that bad, but I think it owed a lot to that very good start off the back off him freeing the team from the Adkins misery and wouldn't have been any more sustainable across a full season than it was over a shorter one so I suspect we would have got less. He started brilliantly and had the players working in a creative changeable 352 but that died away and became turgid and predictable as the season went on. When it was working it was good but he just refused to change it even when it was flailing badly. We won 4 of our first 6 and didn't lose any, but then we lost 4 of our next 6. Then a nice little 4 game run where we won 3 and drew one followed by a miserable 7 game run where we lost 6 and drew 1. His teams rarely drew games, we got beaten a lot and by some really poor teams. I honestly don't know who Jackson would have signed, but it doesn't matter, because he wouldn't have got them anyway and he probably wouldn't get them now. That's the point: the backing from the club is weird and limited, there's some bloke who wants completely different players to the manager and no-one ends up happy. Jackson lived that with Sandgaard and he couldn't make a silk purse from it any more than Jones has. Compare that to Bowyer who somehow sneaked us into the Play-Offs getting 2 points a game as caretaker while relying on the likes of Magennis, Ajose, Zyro and Kaikai to save the day.

Do you know much about Swindon? They are constantly lurching from one crisis to another and were relegated the previous season while Wimbledon stayed up. Swindon spent exactly £0 on transfer fees and are regularly a basket case, but Garner made it to the Play-Offs which is something Jacko is yet to achieve. Wimbledon were relegated in 21/22 and Jackson was brought in with the intention of taking them back up. He hasn't. He hasn't failed yet because he can still have a successful season, but he won't view any of his seasons so far as a success because they haven't been any more than last season was a success for any of our managers.

Those extra 1.5 points a game over 13 games where he wasnt manager would of seen us finish with 80 points which most seasons is enough for a play off spot, admittedly not that season as 6th place had 83 points but i said around play off form ? no one claimed it was promotion form so where have you got that ? As i said its not up for debate its purely and utterly quantifiable and cant be argued with, even using your own formula for points per game.

Equally you in the next sentence mention Bowyer squeezing us to playoffs with those 4 when only one one of them made over 15 appearances that season and that was Magennis who most would agree was pretty decent and our top goal scorer that season ? and then what happened the next season ? Bowyer got his chance to bring in some players he wanted and got the team over the summer he made advancements won promotion. Whilst i concede promotion is never guaranteed its not beyond the realms of possibility that if Jackson, who actually by your own standard would of got more points the season he missed out on promotion than Bowyer did his first season, got another season he could of moved the squad forwards ?

All this is largely irrelevant as i can understand that people didnt like the football but to say he failed at league 1 level, again i ask you what do you constitute as failure ?  

Play-Off form is promotion form. It's how you get promoted if you don't finish in the top two. It doesn't guarantee it but it gets you in the place where you can get promoted. But yes, as you say, it's ultimately impossible to say what we would have got and it's down to opinion. My opinion is we would have got lower than even those points as I think Jackson's initial feelgood factor surge inflated the overall points tally (and thank God it did). He got over a quarter of his points in that initial player playing with smiles on their faces run and I think over the course of a season what we saw after that would have been the norm, which was attritional runs of ok and not good form bunched together, which would have led to a lower tally. Who knows.

I listed those players mainly to point out how rancid a lot of the squad was that season, but also you're drawing a very short tenure against a very long season. No players would have made 15 appearances for Bowyer because he didn't have 15 games, but he did surprisingly favour those players. Ajose started every single game for Bowyer except the final league game, which he essentially threw in order to not risk players for the Play-Offs. 9 games out of 10 he started. Zyro started 6/10 and made one sub app. Magennis got 7 games (3 starts, 4 sub apps) but I can't remember if he'd been injured or not. Magennis was given so much grief on here - unfairly I think - but I reckon most people on here would tell you he wasn't much good. Kaikai made 7 appearances (3 starts, 4 sub apps). Those were the players he had to rely on during his 10 games. and he used them extensively, that's just a fact. It was honestly remarkable that he did as well as he did with what he had in attacking areas, though he did have some excellent defenders.

What I constitute as failure is us finishing 13th in League One. In 19/20 we were one last minute Barnsley goal away from staying in the Championship. The next season we lost all our best players leaving us with Chuks, Pratley and prayer, spent the whole summer wrangling in a messy takeover and then had to put a squad together last minute with a stupid salary cap imposed over us. Despite Bowyer going full Apocalypse Now and his replacement being Adkins we finished 7th, just outside the Play-Offs on goal difference. Even that was a failure, but looking back at the absolute mess they had to deal with it was still a better finish than what came after. The next season we finished 13th with a lot of the same players, some new ones that were worse and some that were better, and we ended the season looking worse than when the manager took over, with all the initial positivity drained away into absolutely miserable, unchanging football and inconsistent results. Jackson can rightly claim plenty of mitigating circumstances but in the end I didn't see anything that told me he'd be a manager who could take us up from L1 like I did with Bowyer's caretaker tenure and I haven't seen anything from him since to say the same.

I feel like you're mostly ascribing an argument to me that I'm not making though. I'm not saying it's impossible that Jackson could have got us promoted the next season if he'd got the players he wanted (though why would he? Adkins got what he was given via the algorithm even if he didn't want that sort of player and Garner got to pick whoever he wanted as long as they were free and ideally from L2. Jackson would have got the players he was given and been told to make the best of it again) what I'm primarily saying is that when Jackson was given the opportunity to take over at a club where you don't always get the players you want, there's someone often arguing against the players you choose and the finances are tight and insufficient, it didn't go well for us, we had a bad time. That's where we are right now again. As a result I'm surprised that people keep putting his name about. Take any other manager who had 33 league games in charge and finished 13th with us, then went to L2 and finished 21st and then 10th and I don't think there would be anyone saying he was the man for the job. His name comes up because we love him and at the very least it's nicer to have a manager you like, not because of his managerial record.

We would not get a better manager/coach, by now they know that Charlton would be the death knell of their career.

Vladimir Ivic? Sacked by Watford when they were 5th.

Callumcafc said:

I’m not in the Jones out club but of the current available names I’d be looking at Neil and Schumacher.

If you want a Charlton connection, you’re probably looking at Woodman from Bromley at this point. Don’t think Jacko or Elliot would take it.

Thanks, but I'd be rubbish tbh.

But i thought the players were Jones’s choice