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I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................
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Orpingtony said:
Didn't Barry Fry wee on all 4 corner flats at one club to remove a gipsy curse?Braziliance said:
It is odd, I think we may actually be cursed.CoveredEnd1905 said:Braziliance said:
Imo, we would have a difficult time if we came up against him and MK Dons right now. Sometimes it's more to do with the club itself than the level of football.carly burn said:Meanwhile
So. Just found his level? Or de-Charltonised??
Elliot Lee for instance dropped down and is now back in this league, above us, has also picked up more man of the match awards and goals than all of our midfielders combined.
He was absolutely naff for us, but obviously something clicks for him there. It doesn't always work that way, cause Charlie Kirk is the opposite example of Lee, but I do believe some players just move to us at the wrong time and Gilbey might have been one of them. Looking like there is a chance we
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I disagree players have to be able to make adjustments to tactics during the game in response to what the opposition are doing - they cannot wait for a rather excitable manager to communicate those changes. I think one of our problems is that too many of our players lack the experience or initiative to make those changes - I am not sure we have had a captain to help this process for quite a while. Dobson certainly seeked to lead by inspiration but he was fairly quiet and didn't give much in the way of instruction.usetobunkin said:Do the club back NJ in January? Because if not we should have binned him last week.Personally I think poor result and performance tomorrow and he will be toast.But the players carry a lot of responsibility for the performances, but tactics are NJ AND NJ ALONE0 -
Also don't think Leaburn is or ever has been that good at hold up play, which appears to be what is being demanded at present - you can see he is learning but still a long way to go compared with the rest of his game.alburyaddick said:The only decent striker we have at the moment is Aneke and he is never fit to play
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You only need to see a player two or three times to form an opinion on them - key strengths and weaknesses. Or for some fans, 45 minutes is enough. :-)paulsturgess said:Callumcafc said:
Ahadme had played what 50 odd games before joining us? How many of those were even televised , maybe 5?
That’s a big assumption you’ve made about how other people judge players.paulsturgess said:
100%.eaststandmike said:
The people you are referring too, probably me included are not doomsters, we just don’t see everything through rose tinted glassesswordfish said:I hate the fact that the doomsters always seemed to be proved right, and it's no consolation that they hate that too.
I'd luv it if NJ turned it around. Luv it, but I've seen our last three games on Sky, from start to finish.
I have been heavily criticized by others on here for stating the following very early in the season however when you look closely……….
“We will finish 7th to 12th”
“Ahadme is a hopeless player”
”Wrexham will finish above us”
”Jones could be gone by Christmas”There is absolutely zero pleasure in being “proved right”. I would LOVE to be shown up as a fool who knows nothing and see us romp to promotion. I was ecstatic when Jones changed the formation and we produced that wonderful performance against Birmingham neither of which I had thought would happen.
However; I find it very bizarre when season after season, window after window, people start lauding signings who they had never heard of prior to then joining and praising our board for clever recruitment and savvy business - based on a look at their Wikipedia page or a handful of other clubs fan’s tweets, instead of watching them play and commenting on what they actually see.I watched the Pompey friendly, and by the end of the Wigan game it was pretty clear and by the end of the Orient game absolutely clear that Ahadme and Campbell were clearly going to be a substantial downgrade on any strike force containing Alfie May, who almost instantly last pre season you could see was a great footballer.
Yet for weeks and months and even very recently there were still people intimating the contrary despite the clear evidence before their eyes.Luke Berry played 17 games in the Prem last season don’t ya know!
I may be a saddo but I watch A LOT of football and have seen plenty of games including the likes of Docherty, Ahadme for example.
I’ve not previously seen either of those two perform as poorly as they have in a Charlton shirt so far. Docherty looks lost being asked to do a job he’s not suited to & Ahadme is there to nod in crosses that our midfielders aren’t capable of swinging in.You telling me Charlton fans have been hunting out Burton Albion and Cambridge United live streams? I know things have been bad for us but sweet lord Callum. If you have been doing this then I’m inclined to agree with your self assessment!0 -
Starting to wonder if you’re Andy Scott !Callumcafc said:
You only need to see a player two or three times to form an opinion on them - key strengths and weaknesses. Or for some fans, 45 minutes is enough. :-)paulsturgess said:Callumcafc said:
Ahadme had played what 50 odd games before joining us? How many of those were even televised , maybe 5?
That’s a big assumption you’ve made about how other people judge players.paulsturgess said:
100%.eaststandmike said:
The people you are referring too, probably me included are not doomsters, we just don’t see everything through rose tinted glassesswordfish said:I hate the fact that the doomsters always seemed to be proved right, and it's no consolation that they hate that too.
I'd luv it if NJ turned it around. Luv it, but I've seen our last three games on Sky, from start to finish.
I have been heavily criticized by others on here for stating the following very early in the season however when you look closely……….
“We will finish 7th to 12th”
“Ahadme is a hopeless player”
”Wrexham will finish above us”
”Jones could be gone by Christmas”There is absolutely zero pleasure in being “proved right”. I would LOVE to be shown up as a fool who knows nothing and see us romp to promotion. I was ecstatic when Jones changed the formation and we produced that wonderful performance against Birmingham neither of which I had thought would happen.
However; I find it very bizarre when season after season, window after window, people start lauding signings who they had never heard of prior to then joining and praising our board for clever recruitment and savvy business - based on a look at their Wikipedia page or a handful of other clubs fan’s tweets, instead of watching them play and commenting on what they actually see.I watched the Pompey friendly, and by the end of the Wigan game it was pretty clear and by the end of the Orient game absolutely clear that Ahadme and Campbell were clearly going to be a substantial downgrade on any strike force containing Alfie May, who almost instantly last pre season you could see was a great footballer.
Yet for weeks and months and even very recently there were still people intimating the contrary despite the clear evidence before their eyes.Luke Berry played 17 games in the Prem last season don’t ya know!
I may be a saddo but I watch A LOT of football and have seen plenty of games including the likes of Docherty, Ahadme for example.
I’ve not previously seen either of those two perform as poorly as they have in a Charlton shirt so far. Docherty looks lost being asked to do a job he’s not suited to & Ahadme is there to nod in crosses that our midfielders aren’t capable of swinging in.You telling me Charlton fans have been hunting out Burton Albion and Cambridge United live streams? I know things have been bad for us but sweet lord Callum. If you have been doing this then I’m inclined to agree with your self assessment!2 -
This 100%. Our previous few most successful managers have been ex Charlton players as well - Curbs, Powell, Bowyer. Charlton are a unique club and these people ‘got it’. None had managerial experience, just passion and a drive for the club to succeed.ElfsborgAddick said:
Holden should never have been given the job in the first place. Jackson should have been persevered with.paulsturgess said:
I would have been fine sticking with Jacko or Holden.hezzla said:
I understand why a lot of people think this, and the football is truly hard to watch right now, but the trouble I have is that it's the same argument that gets aired whenever we go through a bad spell with any manager.paulsturgess said:
Agree with this sentiment but Jones isn’t the one to commit to.hezzla said:Since January 2021, only 1 Charlton manager has been in post for 2 consecutive transfer windows (Dean Holden, and even he had 2 different ownership groups to deal with). In the last 3 windows, 3 different managers have gone out and recruited entirely different profiles of player.
I don't know if Jones is the right answer any more, but I honestly believe that the constant changing of manager and recruitment strategy is doing more damage than any amount of hoof-ball tactics.
Jackson, Adkins, Garner, Holden, Appleton were also "not the right ones" to commit to. The experienced managers like Adkins were 'past it' or 'living off former glories', the young ones like Garner were 'naive' or 'unproven at the level'. Appleton didn't care enough, Jones can't control his emotions. They're either too stubborn to change their tactics, or they switch things up and get accused of not knowing their best XI.
There always seems to be a reason why it won't work, and always this implicit belief that a new manager with different strengths (and weaknesses) will bring the best out of this club. But when it comes to speculating on who that manager should be, there is zero alignment across the fanbase on what we all want.
I sometimes wonder if the reason why we only seem to do well with club legends in charge is because they're the only people with enough credit in the bank to avoid getting sacked when the team goes through its inevitable troughs in performance.3 -
I really liked Lee for the first half of the season! He really dropped off though, was weird - why does it happen so often that we Charltonise them?!Braziliance said:
Imo, we would have a difficult time if we came up against him and MK Dons right now. Sometimes it's more to do with the club itself than the level of football.carly burn said:Meanwhile
So. Just found his level? Or de-Charltonised??
Elliot Lee for instance dropped down and is now back in this league, above us, has also picked up more man of the match awards and goals than all of our midfielders combined.
He was absolutely naff for us, but obviously something clicks for him there. It doesn't always work that way, cause Charlie Kirk is the opposite example of Lee, but I do believe some players just move to us at the wrong time and Gilbey might have been one of them. Looking like there is a chance we will find out next season the answer to this question anyway, oh joy.
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genuinely not sure if you are trolling or not?Ducktapeshoerepairs said:
This 100%. Our previous few most successful managers have been ex Charlton players as well - Curbs, Powell, Bowyer. Charlton are a unique club and these people ‘got it’. None had managerial experience, just passion and a drive for the club to succeed.ElfsborgAddick said:
Holden should never have been given the job in the first place. Jackson should have been persevered with.paulsturgess said:
I would have been fine sticking with Jacko or Holden.hezzla said:
I understand why a lot of people think this, and the football is truly hard to watch right now, but the trouble I have is that it's the same argument that gets aired whenever we go through a bad spell with any manager.paulsturgess said:
Agree with this sentiment but Jones isn’t the one to commit to.hezzla said:Since January 2021, only 1 Charlton manager has been in post for 2 consecutive transfer windows (Dean Holden, and even he had 2 different ownership groups to deal with). In the last 3 windows, 3 different managers have gone out and recruited entirely different profiles of player.
I don't know if Jones is the right answer any more, but I honestly believe that the constant changing of manager and recruitment strategy is doing more damage than any amount of hoof-ball tactics.
Jackson, Adkins, Garner, Holden, Appleton were also "not the right ones" to commit to. The experienced managers like Adkins were 'past it' or 'living off former glories', the young ones like Garner were 'naive' or 'unproven at the level'. Appleton didn't care enough, Jones can't control his emotions. They're either too stubborn to change their tactics, or they switch things up and get accused of not knowing their best XI.
There always seems to be a reason why it won't work, and always this implicit belief that a new manager with different strengths (and weaknesses) will bring the best out of this club. But when it comes to speculating on who that manager should be, there is zero alignment across the fanbase on what we all want.
I sometimes wonder if the reason why we only seem to do well with club legends in charge is because they're the only people with enough credit in the bank to avoid getting sacked when the team goes through its inevitable troughs in performance.
You believe we got promoted because Charlton are unique and those managers "got the club"?
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How many of us would it take to cover the whole pitch before the game today?Orpingtony said:
Didn't Barry Fry wee on all 4 corner flats at one club to remove a gipsy curse?Braziliance said:
It is odd, I think we may actually be cursed.1 -
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Every club is unique and there are many examples of managers, personalities, backgrounds aligning with those of the club/ fans, and then not. Unity and empathy can take you a hell of a long way and are especially important and arguably your greatest weapon when you aren’t necessarily blessed with an enormous budget or are operating in tough circumstances.Kindoncasella said:
genuinely not sure if you are trolling or not?Ducktapeshoerepairs said:
This 100%. Our previous few most successful managers have been ex Charlton players as well - Curbs, Powell, Bowyer. Charlton are a unique club and these people ‘got it’. None had managerial experience, just passion and a drive for the club to succeed.ElfsborgAddick said:
Holden should never have been given the job in the first place. Jackson should have been persevered with.paulsturgess said:
I would have been fine sticking with Jacko or Holden.hezzla said:
I understand why a lot of people think this, and the football is truly hard to watch right now, but the trouble I have is that it's the same argument that gets aired whenever we go through a bad spell with any manager.paulsturgess said:
Agree with this sentiment but Jones isn’t the one to commit to.hezzla said:Since January 2021, only 1 Charlton manager has been in post for 2 consecutive transfer windows (Dean Holden, and even he had 2 different ownership groups to deal with). In the last 3 windows, 3 different managers have gone out and recruited entirely different profiles of player.
I don't know if Jones is the right answer any more, but I honestly believe that the constant changing of manager and recruitment strategy is doing more damage than any amount of hoof-ball tactics.
Jackson, Adkins, Garner, Holden, Appleton were also "not the right ones" to commit to. The experienced managers like Adkins were 'past it' or 'living off former glories', the young ones like Garner were 'naive' or 'unproven at the level'. Appleton didn't care enough, Jones can't control his emotions. They're either too stubborn to change their tactics, or they switch things up and get accused of not knowing their best XI.
There always seems to be a reason why it won't work, and always this implicit belief that a new manager with different strengths (and weaknesses) will bring the best out of this club. But when it comes to speculating on who that manager should be, there is zero alignment across the fanbase on what we all want.
I sometimes wonder if the reason why we only seem to do well with club legends in charge is because they're the only people with enough credit in the bank to avoid getting sacked when the team goes through its inevitable troughs in performance.
You believe we got promoted because Charlton are unique and those managers "got the club"?
Nothing to do with those managers having quality players no?All 3 of those managers operated under very difficult circumstances of varying degrees and for varying reasons but no, they weren’t blessed with loads of quality players just like that. Powell a bit, but not when he arrived, and he was careful when he selected the players they signed that he followed the Curbs mould of personality, “hungry / angry”, team ethic, desire to succeed for Charlton and Charlton being seen as a huge opportunity for all of them.A lot of why they succeeded, and actually I’m pretty sure all 3 would say this (certainly curbs and Powell) was underpinned by the unity with the fans and the people in the club around them, and the support this gave them to drive us forward.Contrast that with a Welsh geezer who clearly doesn’t respect or like our fans, things he’s bigger than the club and has signed various players cast off from Luton and sold the only
player we had who was literally from the area, was practically a Charlton fan and felt like one of us grafting for the club on the pitch which clearly Jones had no concept of or respect for.3 -
Yes every club is unique but i don't see how that helps them get promoted.paulsturgess said:
Every club is unique and there are many examples of managers, personalities, backgrounds aligning with those of the club/ fans, and then not. Unity and empathy can take you a hell of a long way and are especially important and arguably your greatest weapon when you aren’t necessarily blessed with an enormous budget or are operating in tough circumstances.Kindoncasella said:
genuinely not sure if you are trolling or not?Ducktapeshoerepairs said:
This 100%. Our previous few most successful managers have been ex Charlton players as well - Curbs, Powell, Bowyer. Charlton are a unique club and these people ‘got it’. None had managerial experience, just passion and a drive for the club to succeed.ElfsborgAddick said:
Holden should never have been given the job in the first place. Jackson should have been persevered with.paulsturgess said:
I would have been fine sticking with Jacko or Holden.hezzla said:
I understand why a lot of people think this, and the football is truly hard to watch right now, but the trouble I have is that it's the same argument that gets aired whenever we go through a bad spell with any manager.paulsturgess said:
Agree with this sentiment but Jones isn’t the one to commit to.hezzla said:Since January 2021, only 1 Charlton manager has been in post for 2 consecutive transfer windows (Dean Holden, and even he had 2 different ownership groups to deal with). In the last 3 windows, 3 different managers have gone out and recruited entirely different profiles of player.
I don't know if Jones is the right answer any more, but I honestly believe that the constant changing of manager and recruitment strategy is doing more damage than any amount of hoof-ball tactics.
Jackson, Adkins, Garner, Holden, Appleton were also "not the right ones" to commit to. The experienced managers like Adkins were 'past it' or 'living off former glories', the young ones like Garner were 'naive' or 'unproven at the level'. Appleton didn't care enough, Jones can't control his emotions. They're either too stubborn to change their tactics, or they switch things up and get accused of not knowing their best XI.
There always seems to be a reason why it won't work, and always this implicit belief that a new manager with different strengths (and weaknesses) will bring the best out of this club. But when it comes to speculating on who that manager should be, there is zero alignment across the fanbase on what we all want.
I sometimes wonder if the reason why we only seem to do well with club legends in charge is because they're the only people with enough credit in the bank to avoid getting sacked when the team goes through its inevitable troughs in performance.
You believe we got promoted because Charlton are unique and those managers "got the club"?
Nothing to do with those managers having quality players no?All 3 of those managers operated under very difficult circumstances of varying degrees and for varying reasons but no, they weren’t blessed with loads of quality players just like that. Powell a bit, but not when he arrived, and he was careful when he selected the players they signed that he followed the Curbs mould of personality, “hungry / angry”, team ethic, desire to succeed for Charlton and Charlton being seen as a huge opportunity for all of them.A lot of why they succeeded, and actually I’m pretty sure all 3 would say this (certainly curbs and Powell) was underpinned by the unity with the fans and the people in the club around them, and the support this gave them to drive us forward.Contrast that with a Welsh geezer who clearly doesn’t respect or like our fans, things he’s bigger than the club and has signed various players cast off from Luton and sold the only
player we had who was literally from the area, was practically a Charlton fan and felt like one of us grafting for the club on the pitch which clearly Jones had no concept of or respect for.
A lot of why they succeeded, and actually I’m pretty sure all 3 would say this (certainly curbs and Powell) was underpinned by the unity with the fans and the people in the club around them, and the support this gave them to drive us forward.
Sorry but this kind of thing just sounds superstitious. The unity with the fans was most probably created because we were playing attractive football with decent players. The opposite of what we have now.
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Dog shit again get him out!!0
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Barely got a murmur out of the covered end when the drummer tried to get 'Nathan Jones' red army' going. Even had 2 groups have a barmy near me over one of them singing it. He's lost the vast majority of the fanbase, and it would take a miracle to get people back on side.
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Not saying I want him to stay but it wouldn’t have taken much to turn those two 0-0s into two 1-0 wins. A couple of wins like that and he’ll buy himself some time.Croydon said:Barely got a murmur out of the covered end when the drummer tried to get 'Nathan Jones' red army' going. Even had 2 groups have a barmy near me over one of them singing it. He's lost the vast majority of the fanbase, and it would take a miracle to get people back on side.3 -
He’s not getting sacked, we can’t continue going through managers every 10 months1
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Not good when a fan base is divided, it's been all of ten years since it last happened.Croydon said:Barely got a murmur out of the covered end when the drummer tried to get 'Nathan Jones' red army' going. Even had 2 groups have a barmy near me over one of them singing it. He's lost the vast majority of the fanbase, and it would take a miracle to get people back on side.
The reason is still with us.1 -
Leaburn was a bit better today in terms of giving defenders something to do. He should have scored at least one and should have won a penalty. People are worried he will go in January. I can't see anybody being interested unless he sorts his game out. We do know his potential and a step in the right direction is positive. But his career is not a guaranteed rise to the top anymore.0
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We will go down with this numpty in charge.3
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Yeah, agreeScoham said:
Not saying I want him to stay but it wouldn’t have taken much to turn those two 0-0s into two 1-0 wins. A couple of wins like that and he’ll buy himself some time.Croydon said:Barely got a murmur out of the covered end when the drummer tried to get 'Nathan Jones' red army' going. Even had 2 groups have a barmy near me over one of them singing it. He's lost the vast majority of the fanbase, and it would take a miracle to get people back on side.
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I understand he can't dwell on the negativity as he has to think about confidence within the squad but he could avoid saying things like we are the best in the league at this etc... It is treating us like idiots. I would probably say something like we are getting there. I know it doesn't look like it sometimes but we have to take small steps in certain areas to get where we want to be. Complete bollocks I know but not as much bollocks as what he is coming out with every week.
I can see we are a bit better defensively but we are terrible offensively and that is not just the strikers to blame. Every Charlton fan can see it too. It isn't because I am a football genius it is because it is obvious. If I was running the club I would want to find out what his plans to put it right are. As a fan it is probably best not listening to his patronising bullshit! If you believe a word of it you need your bumps felt!1 -
I agree. We are in a spell of playing the teams we should absolutely beat and still can’t . Just wait until we have away games at Birmingham, Wrexham , Stockport , Wycombe etc.Hartleypete said:We will go down with this numpty in charge.
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I have been veering from he should be sacked to he should be given more time. At the moment it is more time. There are two reasons for this, not entirely positive. Firstly, I don't trust the SMT to make a decent appointment so what is the F*ng point. Secondly, I have reminded myself not to listen to his inarticulate press conferences, which wind me up they are so full of bullshit and just give him a few more games to make things better. Hoping that he is actually trying to do this rather than being satisfied with where the team are and what they are doing now. Rather than hear his words I will continue to critically watch his team and see how that goes in what is left of December.1
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When I said "Naff for us" I was referring to Gilbey btw and MK Dons, wasn't very clear, my bad.North Lower Neil said:
I really liked Lee for the first half of the season! He really dropped off though, was weird - why does it happen so often that we Charltonise them?!Braziliance said:
Imo, we would have a difficult time if we came up against him and MK Dons right now. Sometimes it's more to do with the club itself than the level of football.carly burn said:Meanwhile
So. Just found his level? Or de-Charltonised??
Elliot Lee for instance dropped down and is now back in this league, above us, has also picked up more man of the match awards and goals than all of our midfielders combined.
He was absolutely naff for us, but obviously something clicks for him there. It doesn't always work that way, cause Charlie Kirk is the opposite example of Lee, but I do believe some players just move to us at the wrong time and Gilbey might have been one of them. Looking like there is a chance we will find out next season the answer to this question anyway, oh joy.
I thought Lee was very decent, but faded a bit.1 -
I’d have Gilbey and Lee in our team all day long now.0
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We could try and get the MK band back together - Fraser, Gilbey and that other flop with the blond balding head who's name I've now forgotten - that's how much of an impact he made.5
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A Charlton fan has been driven to thisBedsaddick said:I’d have Gilbey and Lee in our team all day long now.18 -
That's the kiddie!Leuth said:
Ben Reeves? Legend. Don't put him in a sentence with those other twoOff_it said:We could try and get the MK band back together - Fraser, Gilbey and that other flop with the blond balding head who's name I've now forgotten - that's how much of an impact he made.
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Gilbey or Anderson ? Lee or Docherty ? If you are picking the former then you haven’t been watching the lack of quality we have this season ?Leuth said:
A Charlton fan has been driven to thisBedsaddick said:I’d have Gilbey and Lee in our team all day long now.0
