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I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................

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  • Ok but you can’t say that and then also say he’s lost the dressing room surely? 

    No manager will lose the dressing room ever? Glad we’re throwing that old cliche out the window…
    You won’t find a comment on here from me saying he has lost the dressing room, I haven’t got a clue regarding that matter 
  • Our attendances say it all.

    I still think back to when the Roland fiasco was going on. The majority view was that we just wanted him gone, no matter the cost. Well, he's gone now (mostly), and we are pretty stable, just shit. 

    The flame is barely alive. We have no atmosphere at home (the covered end do their bit), empty seats everywhere, a lack of buzz around the area, fans losing interest by the numbers. 

    We have a team to watch every week, there's no real crisis that I'm aware of? The stadium hasn't moved, yet collectively, we don't show up for this club. Before it was "I'm not giving a penny more to Roland" and now the attitude is "I'm not paying to watch that shit" 

    Just to make it clear as well, I'm not pointing fingers at anyone for not going, I've had spells where I couldn't go. A two year period where I struggled to go living in Essex, and a 6 year period where I lived up North. I will also gladly admit I don't enjoy going Charlton anymore, but go when I can because I feel that's what I need to do. I hope that turns into more of a want again in the near future. 

    The point is, there's a severe lack of interest. We are a 'dying' club imo. 
    Unfortunately your thoughts match those of so many people mate. I can’t explain it but all through Roland and then Mouthall etc I never once started to lose that Charlton feeling but now there is absolutely no chance of me coming to the valley to witness the shite being served up for me that is a big commitment in terms of time and money living where I do. However now I even have to force myself to watch Charlton TV it is all so depressing ! It seems this lot are succeeding where Roland and Mouthall failed 😞 
  • 63 next month, do miss a busy, happy, optimistic Valley. Would love to be there with sons (one had a season ticket for nineteen years), grandkids. Just cant see it in the near future
  • Would rather see Methven, Scott and Rodwell go before Jones. Sad to see some (or one) in particular brown-nosing Methven on the other site (pics taken etc with)
    Ditch them all
  • We talk about the team and manager being shit (it's a bit of both) but imagine walking out to that half empty stadium every other week, where pretty much only one stand actually sings and backs the team for most of the game. 

    You can be overwhelmingly positive and support a team, you can be completely toxic to try and motivate a team, we are neither, easy stadium for visiting teams to play in, and not much of a home impact for players to take advantage of (talking more recent years in particular) 

    There's a real air of acceptance and tolerance around the club, and it feels like a lot of people are just waiting for us to get lucky, be good at football again, and then people will be bothered to turn up. 

    Sorry if that's harsh but it's how I see it and why I would agree with any comments that the club doesn't feel the same anymore.  
    Tend to agree with both of your posts mate. It's a bleak outlook. 

    Having an enemy and a common goal in the Roland and ESI days definitely helped mitigate the rubbish on the pitch, as it felt like we had a purpose. I basically just went to the protest games in those days and I know others were in the same boat. At the moment we're lifeless and left with nothing. 

    Think it's a fair point about The Valley being an uninspiring place for the players too (even though a lot of this is their fault). I'm quite envious of teams like Bradford who have been stagnant in League 2 for years but still turn up in numbers much bigger than ours. Maybe it's because of the old 'there are more things to do in London' argument, or we are indeed just losing our purpose and identity as mentioned. 

    Anyway, to try and bring this back around to Jones, it does show how the negative impact of his football is quite deep and all-encompassing. It doesn't just leave us struggling in the league, the total non-entertainment gives another reason for people not to go and for our club to die a little more...

    All very depressing. I'm confident that an upswing on the pitch a la 2018/19 can revive us quickly, but I just don't know where that comes from at the moment.


  • Tend to agree with both of your posts mate. It's a bleak outlook. 

    Having an enemy and a common goal in the Roland and ESI days definitely helped mitigate the rubbish on the pitch, as it felt like we had a purpose. I basically just went to the protest games in those days and I know others were in the same boat. At the moment we're lifeless and left with nothing. 

    Think it's a fair point about The Valley being an uninspiring place for the players too (even though a lot of this is their fault). I'm quite envious of teams like Bradford who have been stagnant in League 2 for years but still turn up in numbers much bigger than ours. Maybe it's because of the old 'there are more things to do in London' argument, or we are indeed just losing our purpose and identity as mentioned. 

    Anyway, to try and bring this back around to Jones, it does show how the negative impact of his football is quite deep and all-encompassing. It doesn't just leave us struggling in the league, the total non-entertainment gives another reason for people not to go and for our club to die a little more...

    All very depressing. I'm confident that an upswing on the pitch a la 2018/19 can revive us quickly, but I just don't know where that comes from at the moment.


    Clubs like Bradford are in a completely different situation to us, how many football matches can someone go and watch at 3pm on a Saturday within say 10 miles of the valley ? Even during the dark days of ESI the football was miles better than the current offering. I normally take a group of friends to atleast 2 matches a season but I’m actually too embarrassed to take them this year. Again not really because of the results ! It’s just a boring dire spectacle that only us hardcore fans should have to endure
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  • Redhenry said:

    How much did he cost? 
    Far more than the vast majority of this division spent on a striker.
  • Far more than the vast majority of this division spent on a striker.
    How do you know? Just putting it out there. We are told that more money is being spent than others clubs but we don't know for sure! I have my doubts...
  • Redhenry said:
    How do you know? Just putting it out there. We are told that more money is being spent than others clubs but we don't know for sure! I have my doubts...
    I don’t recall being told what the money was being spent on. Charlie said we had a “top four budget” but looking at the dross we have signed you have to assume the budget includes wages because the transfer fees must have been minimal.


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    the rumour we paid a mill for Coventry, turned out it was nowt, hence my question, how much did we pay for Ahadme.
    We need proper investment in the team to get out of this shite League...
  • Redhenry said:
    the rumour we paid a mill for Coventry, turned out it was nowt, hence my question, how much did we pay for Ahame...
    Blimey I never heard we paid a million for Coventry, where did you hear that 
  • Blimey I never heard we paid a million for Coventry, where did you hear that 
    on here probably :)
  • Redhenry said:
    the rumour we paid a mill for Coventry, turned out it was nowt, hence my question, how much did we pay for Ahadme.
    We need proper investment in the team to get out of this shite League...
    You’ll never know for sure how much we’ve paid for an individual player. “player trading” is reported in our annual accounts but I think that’s a net sum (I.e all transfer fees received minus all transfer fees paid in the reporting period). People who tell you with certainty how much we paid for a player are 99% of the time either making it up or regurgitating information that someone else made up. 

    Salaries are reported in the annual accounts too, but this is on a whole company basis rather than player by player. So you can surmise from our latest accounts that we have one of the highest wage budgets in the division, but you can’t figure exactly how much we’re overpaying each of these wastes of space. 
  • I don’t recall being told what the money was being spent on. Charlie said we had a “top four budget” but looking at the dross we have signed you have to assume the budget includes wages because the transfer fees must have been minimal.


    As you say, I reckon we are on a net profit for player sales over the last 12 months .  Frightening to imagine how much the likes of Docherty are being paid 
  • I really thought he’d be gone by now. 
  • Blimey I never heard we paid a million for Coventry, where did you hear that 
    It came from the West Ham end

    https://www.westhamzone.com/news/west-ham-agree-1million-fee-for-conor-coventry-exit-to-charlton-deal-could-be-completed-on-friday/
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  • edited December 2024
    Redhenry said:
    the rumour we paid a mill for Coventry, turned out it was nowt, hence my question, how much did we pay for Ahadme.
    We need proper investment in the team to get out of this shite League...
    However much we paid, it was too much.
  • Chunes said:
    However much we paid, it was too much.
    Hi Chunes! 
  • Chunes said:
    However much we paid, it was too much.
    For Coventry? He’s alright, one of the better players in the squad (which is faint praise to be fair). 
  • Chunes said:
    However much we paid, it was too much.
    Good job then that he didn't cost us a bean, except in wages.

  • Leuth said:
    Hi Chunes! 
    Even you don’t think he’s worth a million 

  • wmcf123 said:
    Even you don’t think he’s worth a million 

    No, but 'whatever we paid it was too much' is ridiculous for one of the few who looks like a competent footballer 
  • Leuth said:
    No, but 'whatever we paid it was too much' is ridiculous for one of the few who looks like a competent footballer 
    I thought that was referring to Ahadme.
  • edited December 2024
    Leuth said:
    No, but 'whatever we paid it was too much' is ridiculous for one of the few who looks like a competent footballer 
    I was talking about Ahadme. 
  • Chunes said:
    I was talking about Ahadme. 
    Ah, in that case I don't think anyone has a clue but all this talk of a million is just rubbish. Heavily weighted with add-on payments is my guess, small upfront fee.

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