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I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................
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Unless you’re directly involved in the transfer in question (or very, very close to someone that is) then it’ll still be hearsay. Hence we’ve had about 500 different versions of how much we paid for Ahadme, just like we had lots of different versions of how much paid (or didn’t) for Coventry.Redhenry said:
Yes you can and I have been told previously what we have paid for certain players...se9addick said:
You’ll never know for sure how much we’ve paid for an individual player. “player trading” is reported in our annual accounts but I think that’s a net sum (I.e all transfer fees received minus all transfer fees paid in the reporting period). People who tell you with certainty how much we paid for a player are 99% of the time either making it up or regurgitating information that someone else made up.Redhenry said:the rumour we paid a mill for Coventry, turned out it was nowt, hence my question, how much did we pay for Ahadme.
We need proper investment in the team to get out of this shite League...Salaries are reported in the annual accounts too, but this is on a whole company basis rather than player by player. So you can surmise from our latest accounts that we have one of the highest wage budgets in the division, but you can’t figure exactly how much we’re overpaying each of these wastes of space.3 -
The bit of ribbon by his hand almost reads as "premium loog"BigRedEvil said:We need to stick with him
Tahnoon Number was onto something.6 -
If we don’t win today will he be gone by Xmas?
sadly I doubt it.0 -
I don’t get the feeling he’s getting the chop anytime soon. My guess is that things would have to get seriously out of hand (I.e. genuine risk of relegation).Arsenetatters said:If we don’t win today will he be gone by Xmas?
sadly I doubt it.
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Quietly pleased with this call. But Northampton look doomed. More to do yet...Leuth said:I've been fairly adamant he has to go for a few weeks, but yesterday would be the wrong game to fire him after. The players got a deserved clap off at the end. It was a horrible game and we play terrible football, but...it would feel wrong, this time, for me.
Win the next two and we'll review2 -
Yeah yeah 'we made them look doomed'1
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Well done Nathan! Now please don't have a pop at the fans in your interview4
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I'd been waiting all season for the game where it finally all clicked and we shellacked someone in the true Nathan Jones confluence of stars style. I gave up on that a few weeks ago, glad to see it finally happen. Now if we just do that every week from now on we'll probably be alright!
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Jones just needs to leave things alone now for as much as he can... He's been forced to tinker at times, and probably got lucky today if there was a sickness bug that went around the squad, but sometimes a bit of luck is all that you need.
Luton fans said that he tends to persist with his formations and that players can sometimes take a while to come round to the way he expects them to play - Hopefully thats a sign that its starting to click.
This is Charlton though, so fully expecting a limp 3-0 defeat on Boxing Day now, with Allan Campbell getting 90mins and scoring a hat-trick of own goals.9 -
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And just maybe have a little bit of a think about WHY things actually worked today and consider the possibility that maybe boring your way through games might not actually be the answer.Chunes said:Well done Nathan! Now please don't have a pop at the fans in your interview5 -
Nightmare fuelrobroy said:1 -
Hands off Man City, he's ours!10
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He's clearly not lost the dressing room. Hope that can be put to bed. For all our problems, commitment isn't one of them.21
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Perhaps. In a way though, if you are correct (I’m not convinced, I rather think they just came up against a truly awful and mentally shot side today), that is arguably even more scathing an indictment of Jones as a coach and tactician - or simply of the players abilities… if they do in fact have faith in him and have still been playing their balls off for him, then the performances and results overs the last few months are even more worrying!Chunes said:He's clearly not lost the dressing room. Hope that can be put to bed. For all our problems, commitment isn't one of them.
one swallow a summer does not make as we saw with the rampant win at Walsall1 -
Come on. Not perhaps. Teams don't work or perform like that when the manager has lost the dressing room.paulsturgess said:
Perhaps. In a way though, if you are correct (I’m not convinced, I rather think they just came up against a truly awful and mentally shot side today), that is arguably even more scathing an indictment of Jones as a coach and tactician - or simply of the players abilities… if they do in fact have faith in him and have still been playing their balls off for him, then the performances and results overs the last few months are even more worrying!Chunes said:He's clearly not lost the dressing room. Hope that can be put to bed. For all our problems, commitment isn't one of them.
one swallow a summer does not make as we saw with the rampant win at Walsall
And tbf they have always worked hard. They've just lacked the play going forwards.9 -
They clearly won in spite of Jones, rather than for him... they took matters into their own handsChunes said:
Come on. Not perhaps. Teams don't work or perform like that when the manager has lost the dressing room.paulsturgess said:
Perhaps. In a way though, if you are correct (I’m not convinced, I rather think they just came up against a truly awful and mentally shot side today), that is arguably even more scathing an indictment of Jones as a coach and tactician - or simply of the players abilities… if they do in fact have faith in him and have still been playing their balls off for him, then the performances and results overs the last few months are even more worrying!Chunes said:He's clearly not lost the dressing room. Hope that can be put to bed. For all our problems, commitment isn't one of them.
one swallow a summer does not make as we saw with the rampant win at Walsall
And tbf they have always worked hard. They've just lacked the play going forwards.9 -
I’m going to enjoy this type of mental gymnastics this weekpaulsturgess said:
Perhaps. In a way though, if you are correct (I’m not convinced, I rather think they just came up against a truly awful and mentally shot side today), that is arguably even more scathing an indictment of Jones as a coach and tactician - or simply of the players abilities… if they do in fact have faith in him and have still been playing their balls off for him, then the performances and results overs the last few months are even more worrying!Chunes said:He's clearly not lost the dressing room. Hope that can be put to bed. For all our problems, commitment isn't one of them.
one swallow a summer does not make as we saw with the rampant win at Walsall4 -
I still think Jones is as mad as a box of frogs. An accident waiting to happen. Very welcome and for me surprising win today and long may it continue but I have my doubts.5
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False dawn, or corner turned, find out on Thursday during the Wacky Addicks showdown against the Mighty Cambridge United.3
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Docherty kept talking post match about how they were convinced a big win was around the corner. Maybe they’re all as mad as each other? Or maybe there’s more going on than we see for two hours on a Saturday afternoon?ShootersHillGuru said:I still think Jones is as mad as a box of frogs. An accident waiting to happen. Very welcome and for me surprising win today and long may it continue but I have my doubts.9 -
Hopefully the win today will provide some stability going into the window that Jones will be our manager for the immediate future1
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Maybe there is but if so its been going on for a bloody long time now so I'll hold off assuming any corners have been turned on the basis of one (admittedly very good) performance.Callumcafc said:
Docherty kept talking post match about how they were convinced a big win was around the corner. Maybe they’re all as mad as each other? Or maybe there’s more going on than we see for two hours on a Saturday afternoon?ShootersHillGuru said:I still think Jones is as mad as a box of frogs. An accident waiting to happen. Very welcome and for me surprising win today and long may it continue but I have my doubts.2 -
Think we are above Northampton now (also don't think today's game did harm to the goal difference) 😉SouthLincsAddick said:Callumcafc said:
If by trouble you mean treading water in League One, I know.ElfsborgAddick said:Callumcafc said:ElfsborgAddick said:Scoham said:
I think Gavin Carter’s new role suggests they have concerns but expect they don’t want to keep sacking managers. We’d likely end up with an appointment part way through the transfer window which isn’t ideal.Oh Eddie Youds... said:We’re playing the worst football the valley has ever seen, have only managed to beat bottom placed Burton (who had 10 men) in the last 8 league games & are on track to repeat our ‘lowest finish for 98 years’ record but the owners do not see any immediate concern??
Unless there is a dramatic turnaround in our fortunes very soon, I will be amazed if Methven, Rodwell and Scott are still at Charlton come the start of next season.
At last, it looks like you're coming around to the fact we are in trouble.
If by trouble you mean relegation, you’ve been saying that the last three years…
In the last 12 game form table we are firmly in the relegation zone. It took two changes of management to get us out of this position last season.0 -
And in the last 1 game form table we’re top of the league!JustFloydRoad said:
Think we are above Northampton now (also don't think today's game did harm to the goal difference) 😉SouthLincsAddick said:Callumcafc said:
If by trouble you mean treading water in League One, I know.ElfsborgAddick said:Callumcafc said:ElfsborgAddick said:Scoham said:
I think Gavin Carter’s new role suggests they have concerns but expect they don’t want to keep sacking managers. We’d likely end up with an appointment part way through the transfer window which isn’t ideal.Oh Eddie Youds... said:We’re playing the worst football the valley has ever seen, have only managed to beat bottom placed Burton (who had 10 men) in the last 8 league games & are on track to repeat our ‘lowest finish for 98 years’ record but the owners do not see any immediate concern??
Unless there is a dramatic turnaround in our fortunes very soon, I will be amazed if Methven, Rodwell and Scott are still at Charlton come the start of next season.
At last, it looks like you're coming around to the fact we are in trouble.
If by trouble you mean relegation, you’ve been saying that the last three years…In the last 12 game form table we are firmly in the relegation zone. It took two changes of management to get us out of this position last season.10 -
Top in the last league game form table, you'll never sing that!se9addick said:
And in the last 1 game form table we’re top of the league!JustFloydRoad said:
Think we are above Northampton now (also don't think today's game did harm to the goal difference) 😉SouthLincsAddick said:Callumcafc said:
If by trouble you mean treading water in League One, I know.ElfsborgAddick said:Callumcafc said:ElfsborgAddick said:Scoham said:
I think Gavin Carter’s new role suggests they have concerns but expect they don’t want to keep sacking managers. We’d likely end up with an appointment part way through the transfer window which isn’t ideal.Oh Eddie Youds... said:We’re playing the worst football the valley has ever seen, have only managed to beat bottom placed Burton (who had 10 men) in the last 8 league games & are on track to repeat our ‘lowest finish for 98 years’ record but the owners do not see any immediate concern??
Unless there is a dramatic turnaround in our fortunes very soon, I will be amazed if Methven, Rodwell and Scott are still at Charlton come the start of next season.
At last, it looks like you're coming around to the fact we are in trouble.
If by trouble you mean relegation, you’ve been saying that the last three years…In the last 12 game form table we are firmly in the relegation zone. It took two changes of management to get us out of this position last season.8 -
I don't think any sane person could have watched us for the past few months and thought a big win was around the corner. We have been conceding soft goals and creating nothing in the league.Callumcafc said:
Docherty kept talking post match about how they were convinced a big win was around the corner. Maybe they’re all as mad as each other? Or maybe there’s more going on than we see for two hours on a Saturday afternoon?ShootersHillGuru said:I still think Jones is as mad as a box of frogs. An accident waiting to happen. Very welcome and for me surprising win today and long may it continue but I have my doubts.
Today was a great result and a much better performance, but every bit of criticism the players and manager have got recently has been well and truly deserved.
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I didn't think a big win was coming but I did think if things clicked a 2/3-0 was easily possible. We get these little flickers of quality and if they're sustained you get performances like today. Defensively we are pretty solid, even more so when the attack is on song.Croydon said:
I don't think any sane person could have watched us for the past few months and thought a big win was around the corner. We have been conceding soft goals and creating nothing in the league.Callumcafc said:
Docherty kept talking post match about how they were convinced a big win was around the corner. Maybe they’re all as mad as each other? Or maybe there’s more going on than we see for two hours on a Saturday afternoon?ShootersHillGuru said:I still think Jones is as mad as a box of frogs. An accident waiting to happen. Very welcome and for me surprising win today and long may it continue but I have my doubts.
Today was a great result and a much better performance, but every bit of criticism the players and manager have got recently has been well and truly deserved.3 -
Trying to remain objective and not get too carried away, but there's still cautionary details for me - yes we played well and the attacking play was much more convincing BUT it was against a team that is not doing particularly well and there was a bit of luck in that (for once) a lot of those indefinable things fell in our favour more than against us.
While a 5-0 win is excellent, we've got to try and start getting more basic 2-0 or 2-1 type wins against decent teams before we can get too enthused.
We had 15 shots today, 7 on target, 5 goals. That won't happen every week, we need to be winning games where we might only get 4 or 5 chances instead.8 -
We were fortunate that a few things came together at once, illness and injuries dictated the team selection and formation, which worked.
Added to which Northampton were very bad and ripe for a hammering.
However sometimes it takes fate and a bit of luck to turn fortunes around, and we should take it, and use it as a springboard for the rest of the season.
There have been a few little signs over the past couple of weeks that Jones is trying to be more positive in how we play, included some nice through balls and forward runs from midfielders etc.
Until yesterday we rarely if ever managed to get in behind a defence and pull the ball back.
Berry and Mitchell both did it yesterday and we scored each time.
Some encouraging signs are finally emerging.3
