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  • https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jan/18/reform-deputy-leader-richard-tice-splitting-time-between-skegness-and-dubai-after-partner-leaves-uk

    Reform Party leadership not helping out much with keeping air travel down. The leader back and forth to the US and now the Deputy leader back and forwards to Dubai.
  • I love this our side is full of facts from scientists and evidence but your side is fed from disinformation (reminds me of a certain shock jock and his gullible listeners) even though Nobel prizewinning scientists dont agree with them.

     Reminds me of a certain thread called brexit. Those experts (and fortunately some of the posters) soon disappeared once it was done.

    Arrogance is astonishing.
    I took a while, and they had to be dragged kicking and screaming, but it does seem that our friends are finally admitting that having too many humans inhabiting too small an area (UK being a great example) emitting ever increasing amounts of pollutants into the atmosphere, is not only terrible for wildlife, its also no good for the planet generally.

    But that still won't stop them mocking people like you and I for wanting to stop the boats, secure borders, and have strict migration controls.

    We still won't get them to admit that the overriding problem IS the population boom. 

    Unfortunately the first step in solving any problem, is to actually identify it.
    One side of politics has great problems doing that unfortunately.
    To them the overriding issue is rich people (Probably white rich people 😜) flying around in private jets.

    Hopefully, from tomorrow, things start to change and common sense once again prevails.

    When an old Trump hating leftie like Bill Mayhar starts talking common sense, then you know that the worm has started to turn.
  • Leuth said:
    As I've said, the 'what do we do about population increase' question is generally answered by the 'overpopulation is the only factor' brigade with 'not lift a finger when they all start dying'. Oh, and 'gunboats in UK waters' 
    There are plenty of people who want Royal Navy gunboats in the channel right now. 
  • I took a while, and they had to be dragged kicking and screaming, but it does seem that our friends are finally admitting that having too many humans inhabiting too small an area (UK being a great example) emitting ever increasing amounts of pollutants into the atmosphere, is not only terrible for wildlife, its also no good for the planet generally.

    But that still won't stop them mocking people like you and I for wanting to stop the boats, secure borders, and have strict migration controls.

    We still won't get them to admit that the overriding problem IS the population boom. 

    Unfortunately the first step in solving any problem, is to actually identify it.
    One side of politics has great problems doing that unfortunately.
    To them the overriding issue is rich people (Probably white rich people 😜) flying around in private jets.

    Hopefully, from tomorrow, things start to change and common sense once again prevails.

    When an old Trump hating leftie like Bill Mayhar starts talking common sense, then you know that the worm has started to turn.
    Population is just one of the causes.

    Why do you think there is so much migration?

    One of the big drivers of migration is due to parts of the planet being unable to support humans due to rapidly changing climate, the others being war and persecution. 
  • edited January 19
    I took a while, and they had to be dragged kicking and screaming, but it does seem that our friends are finally admitting that having too many humans inhabiting too small an area (UK being a great example) emitting ever increasing amounts of pollutants into the atmosphere, is not only terrible for wildlife, its also no good for the planet generally.

    But that still won't stop them mocking people like you and I for wanting to stop the boats, secure borders, and have strict migration controls.

    We still won't get them to admit that the overriding problem IS the population boom. 

    Unfortunately the first step in solving any problem, is to actually identify it.
    One side of politics has great problems doing that unfortunately.
    To them the overriding issue is rich people (Probably white rich people 😜) flying around in private jets.

    Hopefully, from tomorrow, things start to change and common sense once again prevails.

    When an old Trump hating leftie like Bill Mayhar starts talking common sense, then you know that the worm has started to turn.
    It's been identified. It's humans burning fossil fuels, which has been most pronounced post industrialisation, of which the population boom is a key driver, but how the population choose to live their lifestyles in creating more consumer demand is another.
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  • edited January 19
    Chaz Hill said:
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jan/18/reform-deputy-leader-richard-tice-splitting-time-between-skegness-and-dubai-after-partner-leaves-uk

    Reform Party leadership not helping out much with keeping air travel down. The leader back and forth to the US and now the Deputy leader back and forwards to Dubai.
    China comes to mind me old china, and two tier hasn't exactly been static has he. Apart from making sensible decisions. 17 trips to 17 different territories. Still I am sure that idiot milliband won't mind. 
  • China comes to mind me old china, and two tier hasn't exactly been static has he. Apart from making sensible decisions. 17 trips to 17 different territories. Still I am sure that idiot milliband won't mind. 
    Prime Minister doing his job and two grifters looking after themselves by any chance  ;) 

    And what a loss Oakeshott doing one is. Still working from abroad though  :)
  • Chaz Hill said:
    Prime Minister doing his job and two grifters looking after themselves by any chance  ;) 

    And what a loss Oakeshott doing one is. Still working from abroad though  :)
    One is repairing the damage that several idiots who didn't have the intelligence to realise how stupid they are, matched by those who put them in. 
  • I'll remind you of what you said in your post at 10.02 this morning:


    I love this our side is full of facts from scientists and evidence but your side is fed from disinformation (reminds me of a certain shock jock and his gullible listeners) even though Nobel prizewinning scientists dont agree with them.
    You were the one talking about sides, not Chippy!
    Chippy was just quoting what you had said about "sides"
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  • If the answers were simple the world wouldn’t have the problem it does. 

    Compromise and a whole range of actions / inactions will be needed and we will evolve over time. Too simplistic to blame one country / individual/ group. 
  • swordfish said:
    It's been identified. It's humans burning fossil fuels, which has been most pronounced post industrialisation, of which the population boom is a key driver, but how the population choose to live their lifestyles in creating more consumer demand is another.
    Exactly, thank you!
  • You were the one talking about sides, not Chippy!
    Chippy was just quoting what you had said about "sides"
    I know I shouldn't bite, but I did not mention sides' until Chippy did. 
  • swordfish said:
    I choose to play the ball not the man, and don't go in for name calling.
    Very refreshing, well said 👍
  • Leuth said:
    Ultimately, the next 50 years are going to be characterised by truly unprecedented levels of I'm Alright Jack 
    I think that’s the obvious observation but if god forbid millions of people are on the move and food and water becomes more scarce then I don’t think any levels of wealth will mean much. They’ll be swept away on a tide on human need. Certainly won’t be pretty though.
  • Very refreshing, well said 👍
    Seconded... 
  • So, to those people who think that global overpopulation is the problem, how do you propose to solve this?  
  • edited January 19
    Chizz said:
    So, to those people who think that global overpopulation is the problem, how do you propose to solve this?  
    I liked Karl Pilkington's idea of bringing back dinosaurs and just letting them roam around, picking a few people off here and there.
  • Chizz said:
    So, to those people who think that global overpopulation is the problem, how do you propose to solve this?  
    There is no solution to it. 
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