BT has abandoned its scheme to turn green street cabinets into electric vehicle (EV) charging points having completed only one of the 60,000 conversions it initially said it was aiming for.
The metal cases, seen on streets around the UK, are usually used for phone and broadband cables.
By next year, there will be around 8,000 public rapid (150kW+) charging points in the UK, as well as 75,000 traditional public charging points and about half a million homes capable of charging EVs. This will compare with around 8,000 petrol stations. By the end of the decade, there is predicted to be 20,000+ fast charging points, more than 300,000 traditional charging points and more than a million homes charging EVs. The proliferation of petrol stations will continue to decline, probably slumping to fewer than 6,000 by 2030.
In London, there are 650 petrol stations currently, 18,000 EV charging points. By the end of the decade, there is predicted to be between 40,000 and 60,000. And, perhaps, a few hundred petrol stations.
I wonder at what point people will start to switch from ICE to EV because "the infrastructure for ICE cars just isn't there".
Great numbers if it works out but it takes me 5 mins to fill the tank and then I'm off. Not hanging around for a coffee and sandwich before setting off again. More needs to be done to restrict the polution from major countries who don't appear at all concerned about the green house effect. Such as Brazil, China, India and any other emerging nations who are seeking growth over pretty much everything else. I expect the US might also be in the mix. Too many people on this planet which countries are fighting to support will be our ultimate downfall.
That growth comes with a health cost. Populations in those countries tend to be concentrated in large cities and the smog/pollution that comes with it, particularly with more and more coal fired power stations to generate electricity for their industries and homes, let alone switching to EVs, and rising temperatures is basically going to kill more and more of it’s citizens. Growth in those countries is going to take a dive, along with the number of citizens they have. The US is big enough, land size, to not worry about the climate problem and its cities don’t have as many people in them as the emerging market countries do
Not quite sure what you mean by “the US is big enough, land size, to not worry about the climate problem” ?
Because they have such large city populations, the impact of climate change and pollution will impact China, India and developing countries a lot quicker (it already is) and more seriously than it will the US. Illness and starvation will start to accelerate in those countries, population sizes will decrease, which in turn will begin to alleviate the problem. The US can sit back to a large extent and cherry pick changes that suit it. To a large extent, so can the UK. We only have one large city and it’s got a comprehensive public transport network that’s not dependent on coal fired electricity and which could be extended and utilised a lot more.
To be honest I think that’s completely myopic and also completely wrong.
Sadly, what’s wrong ?
that countries like China, India and other developing nations already have smog problems; and days when cars are banned; or that the very high temperatures and pollution they see cause illness and deaths; that those countries seem to be concentrating their populations in cities of 20 million or more; that electricity in those countries is generated by more and more coal fired power stations; that the US doesn’t want or need to do as much as those countries have to, and won’t (Trump definitely won’t, Harris will get told she can’t); that, actually, the UK is not in as bad a position as most other countries and is already doing a lot more ?
and so it starts with Trump putting the brakes on the rush to electric cars .
By next year, there will be around 8,000 public rapid (150kW+) charging points in the UK, as well as 75,000 traditional public charging points and about half a million homes capable of charging EVs. This will compare with around 8,000 petrol stations. By the end of the decade, there is predicted to be 20,000+ fast charging points, more than 300,000 traditional charging points and more than a million homes charging EVs. The proliferation of petrol stations will continue to decline, probably slumping to fewer than 6,000 by 2030.
In London, there are 650 petrol stations currently, 18,000 EV charging points. By the end of the decade, there is predicted to be between 40,000 and 60,000. And, perhaps, a few hundred petrol stations.
I wonder at what point people will start to switch from ICE to EV because "the infrastructure for ICE cars just isn't there".
Great numbers if it works out but it takes me 5 mins to fill the tank and then I'm off. Not hanging around for a coffee and sandwich before setting off again. More needs to be done to restrict the polution from major countries who don't appear at all concerned about the green house effect. Such as Brazil, China, India and any other emerging nations who are seeking growth over pretty much everything else. I expect the US might also be in the mix. Too many people on this planet which countries are fighting to support will be our ultimate downfall.
That growth comes with a health cost. Populations in those countries tend to be concentrated in large cities and the smog/pollution that comes with it, particularly with more and more coal fired power stations to generate electricity for their industries and homes, let alone switching to EVs, and rising temperatures is basically going to kill more and more of it’s citizens. Growth in those countries is going to take a dive, along with the number of citizens they have. The US is big enough, land size, to not worry about the climate problem and its cities don’t have as many people in them as the emerging market countries do
Not quite sure what you mean by “the US is big enough, land size, to not worry about the climate problem” ?
Because they have such large city populations, the impact of climate change and pollution will impact China, India and developing countries a lot quicker (it already is) and more seriously than it will the US. Illness and starvation will start to accelerate in those countries, population sizes will decrease, which in turn will begin to alleviate the problem. The US can sit back to a large extent and cherry pick changes that suit it. To a large extent, so can the UK. We only have one large city and it’s got a comprehensive public transport network that’s not dependent on coal fired electricity and which could be extended and utilised a lot more.
To be honest I think that’s completely myopic and also completely wrong.
Sadly, what’s wrong ?
that countries like China, India and other developing nations already have smog problems; and days when cars are banned; or that the very high temperatures and pollution they see cause illness and deaths; that those countries seem to be concentrating their populations in cities of 20 million or more; that electricity in those countries is generated by more and more coal fired power stations; that the US doesn’t want or need to do as much as those countries have to, and won’t (Trump definitely won’t, Harris will get told she can’t); that, actually, the UK is not in as bad a position as most other countries and is already doing a lot more ?
and so it starts with Trump putting the brakes on the rush to electric cars .
One wonders what will happen to Tesla sales now. I doubt Musk supports his mate on this because he can't publicly be seen to be anti climate action, unless he wants the Gerald Ratner effect to hit his business. It would be like him telling his customers that they're mugs for buying his cars because they aren't necessary.
By next year, there will be around 8,000 public rapid (150kW+) charging points in the UK, as well as 75,000 traditional public charging points and about half a million homes capable of charging EVs. This will compare with around 8,000 petrol stations. By the end of the decade, there is predicted to be 20,000+ fast charging points, more than 300,000 traditional charging points and more than a million homes charging EVs. The proliferation of petrol stations will continue to decline, probably slumping to fewer than 6,000 by 2030.
In London, there are 650 petrol stations currently, 18,000 EV charging points. By the end of the decade, there is predicted to be between 40,000 and 60,000. And, perhaps, a few hundred petrol stations.
I wonder at what point people will start to switch from ICE to EV because "the infrastructure for ICE cars just isn't there".
Great numbers if it works out but it takes me 5 mins to fill the tank and then I'm off. Not hanging around for a coffee and sandwich before setting off again. More needs to be done to restrict the polution from major countries who don't appear at all concerned about the green house effect. Such as Brazil, China, India and any other emerging nations who are seeking growth over pretty much everything else. I expect the US might also be in the mix. Too many people on this planet which countries are fighting to support will be our ultimate downfall.
That growth comes with a health cost. Populations in those countries tend to be concentrated in large cities and the smog/pollution that comes with it, particularly with more and more coal fired power stations to generate electricity for their industries and homes, let alone switching to EVs, and rising temperatures is basically going to kill more and more of it’s citizens. Growth in those countries is going to take a dive, along with the number of citizens they have. The US is big enough, land size, to not worry about the climate problem and its cities don’t have as many people in them as the emerging market countries do
Not quite sure what you mean by “the US is big enough, land size, to not worry about the climate problem” ?
Because they have such large city populations, the impact of climate change and pollution will impact China, India and developing countries a lot quicker (it already is) and more seriously than it will the US. Illness and starvation will start to accelerate in those countries, population sizes will decrease, which in turn will begin to alleviate the problem. The US can sit back to a large extent and cherry pick changes that suit it. To a large extent, so can the UK. We only have one large city and it’s got a comprehensive public transport network that’s not dependent on coal fired electricity and which could be extended and utilised a lot more.
To be honest I think that’s completely myopic and also completely wrong.
Sadly, what’s wrong ?
that countries like China, India and other developing nations already have smog problems; and days when cars are banned; or that the very high temperatures and pollution they see cause illness and deaths; that those countries seem to be concentrating their populations in cities of 20 million or more; that electricity in those countries is generated by more and more coal fired power stations; that the US doesn’t want or need to do as much as those countries have to, and won’t (Trump definitely won’t, Harris will get told she can’t); that, actually, the UK is not in as bad a position as most other countries and is already doing a lot more ?
and so it starts with Trump putting the brakes on the rush to electric cars .
One wonders what will happen to Tesla sales now. I doubt Musk supports his mate on this because he can't publicly be seen to be anti climate action, unless he wants the Gerald Ratner effect to hit his business. It would be like him telling his customers that they're mugs for buying his cars because they aren't necessary.
Tesla cars made in the US won’t be impacted negatively and most likely cheap cars made in China will start to cost as much as a Tesla in the US market. If/when that happens and the consumer choice comes down to a Tesla or a Chinese made electric car around the same price I suspect there might be a favourable impact on Tesla shares. Electric cars were/are never going to be the answer, particularly in countries the size of the US. Besides, Elon got the big prize, Space.
I've never really understood why Diesel cars never took off in the US. You'd think with those big open highways and people driving long distances that they'd be perfect. Diesel is cheaper than gasoline out there too.
I sort of get it in the red states where fuel is very cheap, but in places like California, Oregon and Washington where governors have artificially increased the price of fuel, it does make sense.
I've never really understood why Diesel cars never took off in the US. You'd think with those big open highways and people driving long distances that they'd be perfect. Diesel is cheaper than gasoline out there too.
I sort of get it in the red states where fuel is very cheap, but in places like California, Oregon and Washington where governors have artificially increased the price of fuel, it does make sense.
I've never really understood why Diesel cars never took off in the US. You'd think with those big open highways and people driving long distances that they'd be perfect. Diesel is cheaper than gasoline out there too.
I sort of get it in the red states where fuel is very cheap, but in places like California, Oregon and Washington where governors have artificially increased the price of fuel, it does make sense.
do they do V8 diesels?
Audi were selling V12 diesels in the UK at one point. The only manufacturer making diesels over there was VW with the golf and Jetta around 2010-2012, but new emissions regulations put an end to those.
Only diesels being sold over there now are the big Ford 6.7l Powerstrokes, and 5.9l Cummins engines in the Ford F-series and Dodge Ram trucks. I think they're exempt from the same emissions regulations that cars face. But those trucks have diesel engines for the torque benefit; not because they get better mileage.
I've never really understood why Diesel cars never took off in the US. You'd think with those big open highways and people driving long distances that they'd be perfect. Diesel is cheaper than gasoline out there too.
I sort of get it in the red states where fuel is very cheap, but in places like California, Oregon and Washington where governors have artificially increased the price of fuel, it does make sense.
do they do V8 diesels?
Audi were selling V12 diesels in the UK at one point. The only manufacturer making diesels over there was VW with the golf and Jetta around 2010-2012, but new emissions regulations put an end to those.
Only diesels being sold over there now are the big Ford 6.7l Powerstrokes, and 5.9l Cummins engines in the Ford F-series and Dodge Ram trucks. I think they're exempt from the same emissions regulations that cars face. But those trucks have diesel engines for the torque benefit; not because they get better mileage.
By next year, there will be around 8,000 public rapid (150kW+) charging points in the UK, as well as 75,000 traditional public charging points and about half a million homes capable of charging EVs. This will compare with around 8,000 petrol stations. By the end of the decade, there is predicted to be 20,000+ fast charging points, more than 300,000 traditional charging points and more than a million homes charging EVs. The proliferation of petrol stations will continue to decline, probably slumping to fewer than 6,000 by 2030.
In London, there are 650 petrol stations currently, 18,000 EV charging points. By the end of the decade, there is predicted to be between 40,000 and 60,000. And, perhaps, a few hundred petrol stations.
I wonder at what point people will start to switch from ICE to EV because "the infrastructure for ICE cars just isn't there".
Great numbers if it works out but it takes me 5 mins to fill the tank and then I'm off. Not hanging around for a coffee and sandwich before setting off again. More needs to be done to restrict the polution from major countries who don't appear at all concerned about the green house effect. Such as Brazil, China, India and any other emerging nations who are seeking growth over pretty much everything else. I expect the US might also be in the mix. Too many people on this planet which countries are fighting to support will be our ultimate downfall.
That growth comes with a health cost. Populations in those countries tend to be concentrated in large cities and the smog/pollution that comes with it, particularly with more and more coal fired power stations to generate electricity for their industries and homes, let alone switching to EVs, and rising temperatures is basically going to kill more and more of it’s citizens. Growth in those countries is going to take a dive, along with the number of citizens they have. The US is big enough, land size, to not worry about the climate problem and its cities don’t have as many people in them as the emerging market countries do
Not quite sure what you mean by “the US is big enough, land size, to not worry about the climate problem” ?
Because they have such large city populations, the impact of climate change and pollution will impact China, India and developing countries a lot quicker (it already is) and more seriously than it will the US. Illness and starvation will start to accelerate in those countries, population sizes will decrease, which in turn will begin to alleviate the problem. The US can sit back to a large extent and cherry pick changes that suit it. To a large extent, so can the UK. We only have one large city and it’s got a comprehensive public transport network that’s not dependent on coal fired electricity and which could be extended and utilised a lot more.
To be honest I think that’s completely myopic and also completely wrong.
Sadly, what’s wrong ?
that countries like China, India and other developing nations already have smog problems; and days when cars are banned; or that the very high temperatures and pollution they see cause illness and deaths; that those countries seem to be concentrating their populations in cities of 20 million or more; that electricity in those countries is generated by more and more coal fired power stations; that the US doesn’t want or need to do as much as those countries have to, and won’t (Trump definitely won’t, Harris will get told she can’t); that, actually, the UK is not in as bad a position as most other countries and is already doing a lot more ?
and so it starts with Trump putting the brakes on the rush to electric cars .
One wonders what will happen to Tesla sales now. I doubt Musk supports his mate on this because he can't publicly be seen to be anti climate action, unless he wants the Gerald Ratner effect to hit his business. It would be like him telling his customers that they're mugs for buying his cars because they aren't necessary.
Tesla cars made in the US won’t be impacted negatively and most likely cheap cars made in China will start to cost as much as a Tesla in the US market. If/when that happens and the consumer choice comes down to a Tesla or a Chinese made electric car around the same price I suspect there might be a favourable impact on Tesla shares. Electric cars were/are never going to be the answer, particularly in countries the size of the US. Besides, Elon got the big prize, Space.
In the US, if an american has the choice between an american product and a non-american product then years of brainwashing will kick in and they will go for the American product, however inferior.
I wonder if Musk has ambitions to become POTUS himself ?
Born in South Africa fella
That explains a lot.
No worries, after annexing Greenland, Panama and the Gulf of Mexico im sure that Trump will eventually get around to South Africa, and Musk will end up as a good old, really Southern boy from the 57th state.
So if I’m reading the above correctly, an EV with a new battery will do 600k miles on that original battery so the need for any EV owner to replace a battery at any point is extremely unlikely. Unlikely even if that 600k turns out to be 300k. That’s something I’m not aware of and in many respects is a game changer. On the other hand I understand most EV batteries warranties last for 8 - 15 years or 100k miles. Somewhat of a discrepancy here ? A more realistic figure is 150k miles, so around 15 years which to me seems decent enough.
And with the rate at which battery technology is developing, any replacement battery will be superior to the original one, lasting longer, and charging more quickly.
So if I’m reading the above correctly, an EV with a new battery will do 600k miles on that original battery so the need for any EV owner to replace a battery at any point is extremely unlikely. Unlikely even if that 600k turns out to be 300k. That’s something I’m not aware of and in many respects is a game changer. On the other hand I understand most EV batteries warranties last for 8 - 15 years or 100k miles. Somewhat of a discrepancy here ? A more realistic figure is 150k miles, so around 15 years which to me seems decent enough.
And with the rate at which battery technology is developing, any replacement battery will be superior to the original one, lasting longer, and charging more quickly.
Renault have a Zoe produced produced in 2012, still running around, with 1M KM on the clock, on it's original battery
So if I’m reading the above correctly, an EV with a new battery will do 600k miles on that original battery so the need for any EV owner to replace a battery at any point is extremely unlikely. Unlikely even if that 600k turns out to be 300k. That’s something I’m not aware of and in many respects is a game changer. On the other hand I understand most EV batteries warranties last for 8 - 15 years or 100k miles. Somewhat of a discrepancy here ? A more realistic figure is 150k miles, so around 15 years which to me seems decent enough.
And with the rate at which battery technology is developing, any replacement battery will be superior to the original one, lasting longer, and charging more quickly.
Let's hope so. Apologies if the attached link has appeared earlier on the thread, but the title is self explanatory. Hope it isn't behind a paywall. As ever, I'm fully supportive of any initiatives that reduce C02 emissions, which converting to EV's will over time, although the time frames vary depending on variables as as explained in the article.
Took Eric for a longish spin today to experience using a public charger. I have never driving a non manual vehicle so it’s all new to me. Crikey it’s weird! One thing that truly amazed me is that you can press a button that locks on to the vehicle in front of you and you can take your foot off the pedals and the car will safely drive behind said vehicle at a safe distance until the vehicle in front turns off the road or pulls in 😳
What kind of sorcery is that???
The charging was an absolute doddle. Plugged it in, sorted it with the app, went for a mooch around the shops, 40mins later 85% charged, €17, jobs a goodun.
Took Eric for a longish spin today to experience using a public charger. I have never driving a non manual vehicle so it’s all new to me. Crikey it’s weird! One thing that truly amazed me is that you can press a button that locks on to the vehicle in front of you and you can take your foot off the pedals and the car will safely drive behind said vehicle at a safe distance until the vehicle in front turns off the road or pulls in 😳
What kind of sorcery is that???
The charging was an absolute doddle. Plugged it in, sorted it with the app, went for a mooch around the shops, 40mins later 85% charged, €17, jobs a goodun.
Home charger being fitted next week.
Seriously impressed so far.
Any sufficiently advanced science is indistinguishable from magic.
I noticed that the Martin Lewis website has a handy guide on Eiectric vehicles - I can’t seem to pick up the link on my phone so you’ll have to google it.
there a bit about pushing back the road tax a year that you’ll now have to pay if those of you with an EV were not aware of it.
I noticed that the Martin Lewis website has a handy guide on Eiectric vehicles - I can’t seem to pick up the link on my phone so you’ll have to google it.
there a bit about pushing back the road tax a year that you’ll now have to pay if those of you with an EV were not aware of it.
Yeah basically if you have bought an EV tax it now before the changes in April . Current road tax is £0 it will increase in April to about £195 I think. All EV will be liable, including those purchases previously.
In my case the car was bought in September, so I'll need to pay the road fund in 6 months time. I've taxed for £0 in Feb for 12 months, and will do so again 1st March.
It will save me 6 months road tax. I am taxing twice just in case the government wise up and stop me taxing in March.
Took Eric for a longish spin today to experience using a public charger. I have never driving a non manual vehicle so it’s all new to me. Crikey it’s weird! One thing that truly amazed me is that you can press a button that locks on to the vehicle in front of you and you can take your foot off the pedals and the car will safely drive behind said vehicle at a safe distance until the vehicle in front turns off the road or pulls in 😳
What kind of sorcery is that???
The charging was an absolute doddle. Plugged it in, sorted it with the app, went for a mooch around the shops, 40mins later 85% charged, €17, jobs a goodun.
Home charger being fitted next week.
Seriously impressed so far.
Any sufficiently advanced science is indistinguishable from magic.
I had this facility on a basic Nissan Quasqui 5 years ago, it’s nothing new
Took Eric for a longish spin today to experience using a public charger. I have never driving a non manual vehicle so it’s all new to me. Crikey it’s weird! One thing that truly amazed me is that you can press a button that locks on to the vehicle in front of you and you can take your foot off the pedals and the car will safely drive behind said vehicle at a safe distance until the vehicle in front turns off the road or pulls in 😳
What kind of sorcery is that???
The charging was an absolute doddle. Plugged it in, sorted it with the app, went for a mooch around the shops, 40mins later 85% charged, €17, jobs a goodun.
Home charger being fitted next week.
Seriously impressed so far.
Any sufficiently advanced science is indistinguishable from magic.
I had this facility on a basic Nissan Quasqui 5 years ago, it’s nothing new
It is for me. I’ve only ever owned 2CV’s & my husbands last new vehicle was 13yrs ago, a Fiat 500! It’s like driving a spaceship for me! 🤣🤣
Took Eric for a longish spin today to experience using a public charger. I have never driving a non manual vehicle so it’s all new to me. Crikey it’s weird! One thing that truly amazed me is that you can press a button that locks on to the vehicle in front of you and you can take your foot off the pedals and the car will safely drive behind said vehicle at a safe distance until the vehicle in front turns off the road or pulls in 😳
What kind of sorcery is that???
The charging was an absolute doddle. Plugged it in, sorted it with the app, went for a mooch around the shops, 40mins later 85% charged, €17, jobs a goodun.
Home charger being fitted next week.
Seriously impressed so far.
Racy road-goer, electric rev up.
(That's an anagram of "Eric O’Grady, our electric Avenger")
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BT has abandoned its scheme to turn green street cabinets into electric vehicle (EV) charging points having completed only one of the 60,000 conversions it initially said it was aiming for.
The metal cases, seen on streets around the UK, are usually used for phone and broadband cables.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c75zwyeq3v9o
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I sort of get it in the red states where fuel is very cheap, but in places like California, Oregon and Washington where governors have artificially increased the price of fuel, it does make sense.
Only diesels being sold over there now are the big Ford 6.7l Powerstrokes, and 5.9l Cummins engines in the Ford F-series and Dodge Ram trucks. I think they're exempt from the same emissions regulations that cars face. But those trucks have diesel engines for the torque benefit; not because they get better mileage.
Nice!
https://earth.org/environmental-impact-of-battery-production/#:~:text=Nickel and cobalt have similar,add to the environmental footprint.
I have never driving a non manual vehicle so it’s all new to me. Crikey it’s weird!
One thing that truly amazed me is that you can press a button that locks on to the vehicle in front of you and you can take your foot off the pedals and the car will safely drive behind said vehicle at a safe distance until the vehicle in front turns off the road or pulls in 😳
The charging was an absolute doddle. Plugged it in, sorted it with the app, went for a mooch around the shops, 40mins later 85% charged, €17, jobs a goodun.
Home charger being fitted next week.
Seriously impressed so far.
there a bit about pushing back the road tax a year that you’ll now have to pay if those of you with an EV were not aware of it.
It’s like driving a spaceship for me! 🤣🤣
(That's an anagram of "Eric O’Grady, our electric Avenger")