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  • Stig said:
    Thanks Clive. Any idea what impact that'll have on parking? My guess is that there'll be more residents only zones and those of us from out of town will be left floundering. 
    It seems that 'The Royal Borough of Greenwich' want to press ahead with plans to discourage motorists from parking in the borough.

    Our Sustainable Streets programme aims to reduce the number of car journeys in our borough and encourage more people to walk, cycle or use public transport, to reduce air pollution, traffic and congestion, improve road safety and lower carbon emissions.  


    The Council need your feedback to help develop detailed potential designs. Share your thoughts by Wednesday 19 March 2025. 

    https://sustainable-streets-rbg.commonplace.is/

  • edited February 23
    As someone involved said to me yesterday, it is foolish and short sighted to try to charge a parent with two children £48 to travel on Valley Express, particularly as parking close to the ground gets more difficult.
  • All across the leagues attendances improve with football success.
  • fenaddick said:
    If the tickets were lower people would come. Or you need to do a promotion that drags someone back. Season ticket holders can bring a friend for free and then two weeks later do football for a fiver. Gives the friend a week away to do other things but drags them back in cheaply 
    I’m not sure that’s sustainable. There are things to do, but the only thing that will result in repeated, higher attendances is the team performance well on the field.
  • se9addick said:
    I’m not sure that’s sustainable. There are things to do, but the only thing that will result in repeated, higher attendances is the team performance well on the field.
    Doesn't have to be sustainable, this late into the season you can only really do that once anyway. At a push you could do two "bring a friend" games. Agree that team performance is the biggest driving factor but as others have said price is a massive one too 
  • All this talk of Sky showing midweek games. The play off semi finals will be on Sky and likely to be midweek. Would that affect the attendance?
  • JohnnyH2 said:
    All this talk of Sky showing midweek games. The play off semi finals will be on Sky and likely to be midweek. Would that affect the attendance?
    Totally different prospect. Play off semi in May vs Crawley/Orient at home in December is like chalk and cheese. People would go to a play off game for the occassion
  • The long term solution to Attendances, is we must find a way to appeal to the 41%+ of Londoners who were not born in the UK.
    I had an example of this problem the other day.
    I am a school governor and the other day sharing a school governors meet the parents with a parent governor Eric, a great fella.
    So in between talking to parents we talked football,  I asked him which team he followed,  first up was Accra in Ghana where he comes from. The next question any English teams and answer surprised me, no but he follows Bayern Munich. 
    Why? because it was the football that they could get in Ghana when he was a boy , so hooked on them, he admired British fans for their loyalty to the local team though.
    We need and not just Charlton but all lower league clubs , to over come this.
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  • clive said:
    It seems that 'The Royal Borough of Greenwich' want to press ahead with plans to discourage motorists from parking in the borough.

    Our Sustainable Streets programme aims to reduce the number of car journeys in our borough and encourage more people to walk, cycle or use public transport, to reduce air pollution, traffic and congestion, improve road safety and lower carbon emissions.  


    The Council need your feedback to help develop detailed potential designs. Share your thoughts by Wednesday 19 March 2025. 

    https://sustainable-streets-rbg.commonplace.is/

    Thanks again. Questionnaire completed..
  • edited February 23
    JohnnyH2 said:
    All this talk of Sky showing midweek games. The play off semi finals will be on Sky and likely to be midweek. Would that affect the attendance?
    A play-off game is a one off event with promotion directly at stake. It's not an apples to apples comparison with the other 23 league games with varying levels of jeopardy that people can pick and choose to attend. 
  • msomerton said:
    The long term solution to Attendances, is we must find a way to appeal to the 41%+ of Londoners who were not born in the UK.
    I had an example of this problem the other day.
    I am a school governor and the other day sharing a school governors meet the parents with a parent governor Eric, a great fella.
    So in between talking to parents we talked football,  I asked him which team he followed,  first up was Accra in Ghana where he comes from. The next question any English teams and answer surprised me, no but he follows Bayern Munich. 
    Why? because it was the football that they could get in Ghana when he was a boy , so hooked on them, he admired British fans for their loyalty to the local team though.
    We need and not just Charlton but all lower league clubs , to over come this.

    i think that will help but for me its mainly about nicking back the floaters from our local rivals who are currently doing better than us on the pitch - and our dormant supporters - having said that, i like to think i've done my bit - a chap at work from cambridge now living in London is a regular and i brought another from saudi arabia along a couple of years ago. Against Barnsley we have a little work contingent coming along which includes a chinaman, a saudi arabian, a latvian and a cambridgeman - there were plenty of foreigners there yesterday as well   
  • clive said:
    The area is part of the regeneration plan below.
    https://www.royalgreenwich.gov.uk/info/200200/regeneration/1822/charlton_riverside_regeneration
    Regenerate that area and the area right next to it  will look even shabbier than it does at present. that would surely be next and bang in the middle of that is The Valley

     


  • What's that football stadium shaped plot of land near the river currently used for?
  • What's that football stadium shaped plot of land near the river currently used for?
    It's the Sainsbury's depot isn't it?
  • clive said:
    The area is part of the regeneration plan below.
    https://www.royalgreenwich.gov.uk/info/200200/regeneration/1822/charlton_riverside_regeneration
    That's been the case for a number of years - the "regeneration" is moving along at a snail's pace (the only decent-sized development under way is the block behind the old Victoria, with a block next door supposedly imminent).

    I don't think there's any threat to the retail parks and their car parks for the next few years, but that won't be the case for ever.

    Parking is going to be a broader issue, though, with the spread of CPZs, even if the matchday restrictions appear to have gone nowhere, and the deterioration in public transport options in the past few years. 
  • What's that football stadium shaped plot of land near the river currently used for?
    I believe thats Valley Parade, home of the 'Latics'
  • CAFCTrev said:
    A play-off game is a one off event with promotion directly at stake. It's not an apples to apples comparison with the other 23 league games with varying levels of jeopardy that people can pick and choose to attend. 
    Exactly, everyone comes out for a play off game in the same way they'd come out if we drew Arsenal or Man U at home in a cup game.

    If i remember rightly we sold out the Doncaster away play off in one day and that was an allocation of over 3k. We'd do well to take half that many there for a league game.
  • Regenerate that area and the area right next to it  will look even shabbier than it does at present. that would surely be next and bang in the middle of that is The Valley

     


    Have had a quick scan through a the regen docs, which are from 2017, all moving very slowly as InspectorSands points out. Interestingly we may be in for a new Clipper ferry terminal just along from the Anchor and Hope, which would be nice.


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  • Exactly, everyone comes out for a play off game in the same way they'd come out if we drew Arsenal or Man U at home in a cup game.

    If i remember rightly we sold out the Doncaster away play off in one day and that was an allocation of over 3k. We'd do well to take half that many there for a league game.
    Which was the case when we played them earlier in the season.
  • It's growing gradually.
    NURSE………..the screens!
  • Clipper service would be an option for me, Fenchurch Street and then Tower to Charlton.
    Hopefully it doesn’t take ten years to sort out…

    I’ll probably get a season ticket again next year, as my Son is now 8 and no matter how hard his friends try, he isn’t switching to Arsenal or West Ham!
    Yesterday we brought the Father-in-law too, so four of us. I have no idea where to park now (used Kinveachy Gardens when my Grandad lived there), so we use public transport (yesterday we had bus replacement due to engineering works yet again). We probably spent around £90 on transport, £90 on tickets, £150 on food and drink and my Son spent £50 in Club shop. That’s nearly £400 in a day. 

    I’d spend less and it would be far easier if there was a dedicated CAFC secure parking area for the match, or a park and ride. Wouldn’t go down the pub, so that saves too. We would attend more too, but without secure parking I’m not interested in driving.
    We will attend probably two more home games, but as I’ve said, for me personally it’s parking that’s the issue. If that was easier, I’d attend nearly all home games from Essex.
  • edited February 25
    Train £30, ticket £30, 3 pints £23, food £10....thats the bare minimum for being out of the house on my own for 9 hours. Double it if my Mrs comes and add another £50 if the boy attends.

    £100-£250 spent without even trying and people wonder why attendances are lower than previously.
  • shine166 said:
    Train £30, ticket £30, 3 pints £23, food £10....thats the bare minimum for being out of the house on my own for 7 hours. Double it if my Mrs comes and add another £50 if the boy attends.

    £100-£250 spent without even trying and people wonder why attendances are lower than previously.
    Yes it's expensive, but the food and drink element is optional, you could always bring sandwiches etc. And if you had gone somewhere else, you'd still be eating and drinking.
  • Clipper service would be an option for me, Fenchurch Street and then Tower to Charlton.
    Hopefully it doesn’t take ten years to sort out…

    I’ll probably get a season ticket again next year, as my Son is now 8 and no matter how hard his friends try, he isn’t switching to Arsenal or West Ham!
    Yesterday we brought the Father-in-law too, so four of us. I have no idea where to park now (used Kinveachy Gardens when my Grandad lived there), so we use public transport (yesterday we had bus replacement due to engineering works yet again). We probably spent around £90 on transport, £90 on tickets, £150 on food and drink and my Son spent £50 in Club shop. That’s nearly £400 in a day. 

    I’d spend less and it would be far easier if there was a dedicated CAFC secure parking area for the match, or a park and ride. Wouldn’t go down the pub, so that saves too. We would attend more too, but without secure parking I’m not interested in driving.
    We will attend probably two more home games, but as I’ve said, for me personally it’s parking that’s the issue. If that was easier, I’d attend nearly all home games from Essex.
    CAST can sort you out a parking voucher for the roads round The Valley (eg Charlton Lane, Coxmount Road) for £2.40. Email secretary@castrust.org with your registration number. 
  • Clipper service would be an option for me, Fenchurch Street and then Tower to Charlton.
    Hopefully it doesn’t take ten years to sort out…

    I’ll probably get a season ticket again next year, as my Son is now 8 and no matter how hard his friends try, he isn’t switching to Arsenal or West Ham!
    Yesterday we brought the Father-in-law too, so four of us. I have no idea where to park now (used Kinveachy Gardens when my Grandad lived there), so we use public transport (yesterday we had bus replacement due to engineering works yet again). We probably spent around £90 on transport, £90 on tickets, £150 on food and drink and my Son spent £50 in Club shop. That’s nearly £400 in a day. 

    I’d spend less and it would be far easier if there was a dedicated CAFC secure parking area for the match, or a park and ride. Wouldn’t go down the pub, so that saves too. We would attend more too, but without secure parking I’m not interested in driving.
    We will attend probably two more home games, but as I’ve said, for me personally it’s parking that’s the issue. If that was easier, I’d attend nearly all home games from Essex.

    You and your son could use the river boat from barking riverside to Woolwich I think @photoellery on a Saturday. I wouldn't be keen after a game myself, in the dark but it zips along between Woolwich and barking and might cut your current journey time too.
  • edited February 25
    Yes it's expensive, but the food and drink element is optional, you could always bring sandwiches etc. And if you had gone somewhere else, you'd still be eating and drinking.
    Tbh that would include bringing god knows how much snacks and food for the 6 year old. There's only so much you can carry when you leave home at 10am and return at 7pm. 

    That was also a very frugle potential spend, 3 drinks and some food over 9 hours is hardly going mental. I still attend when I can, just pointing out why it's less than previously and it's probably the same for many others. 

  • shine166 said:
    Tbh that would include bringing god knows how much snacks and food for the 6 year old. There's only so much you can carry when you leave home at 10am and return at 7pm. 

    That was also a very frugle potential spend, 3 drinks and some food over 9 hours is hardly going mental. I still attend when I can, just pointing out why it's less than previously and it's probably the same for many others. 

    We’ve seen photos of your 6 year old son.
    I find it impossible  to believe that you are unable to carry enough food for him. Sorry.
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