I woke up with a nagging feeling I can’t shift; that @golfaddick sort of has a point.
Of course a win is a win, but they should have been buried alive in the second half. I never felt that was going to happen, after TC missed that early chance. We attacked, some of the approach work was excellent. But how many near misses were there? The very first minute, and then that’s it. There were a lot of dangerous situations, usually TC getting to the by-line on the left of the box, sometimes Small on the right. But the ball in from them never found a red shirt.
I suppose that the stats for shots on target would be the one that might shed some light on this, if someone could look at that for the top 6, but maybe since the turn of the year, once we became good.
Suppose we get less on target than our now rivals, why might that be?. Well, we haven’t got enough finishers on the pitch. TC cannot-yet-finish like JR-S could. 15 goals that boy got for us, in a crap team. Anyway yesterday TC was mainly all about trying to set up the final pass for a finisher, and there really was only one on the pitch at any one tîme, Godden or Miles - and Godden obvs much more the fox in the box type.
Its still the part of the NJ plan that I don’t quite get. If we had JR-S In TC’s place then I would get it. CB-T? Not so sure about that. He scored a few but he wasn’t very poised. Presumably the idea of the plan is that midfielders do some of that finishing. Berry does it sometimes but I dont recall him with a shot on target yesterday? Maybe Gilbert. He was certainly trying to get on the scoresheet on Tuesday and he wasnt far off.
Just my nagging doubt…
Maybe this helps Prague, January 1st Wycombe had played 23 games they scored 49 goals at that point, since that date they have scored 12 goals. January 1st Wrexham had played 24 games and scored 36 goals, since that date they have scored 15 goals. January 1st Charlton had played 22 games and scored 27 goals, since that date they have scored 22 goals. So based on those stats and if current form was to continue, Charlton with an average of 1.46 would finish higher goal scorers than both Wycombe and Wrexham, sorry but Golfie's arguments fly in the face of the stats.
His arguments fly in the face of those stats.
Some said we were destined to stay in league one for at least another season in December, understandably not expecting a transformation of form after the Crawley defeat at home.
I wonder how many now expect our goal scoring form to continue until the end of the season though? Nothing wrong with you trying to allay the fears of those concerned with our goal tally across it's entirety, and hopefully you'll be right.
However, I wasn't one who thought the season was over before it was half complete, and I have reservations too as it isn't over yet. If I've learnt anything in my years supporting Charlton, it's that things happen you least expect.
I think your last paragraph summed it up Swordfish, but I would maintain there are supporters of other clubs who would give you the same stories of woe.
@PragueAddick Wrexham might have seven strikers but we have six strikers and none of them have got in double figures for them. Their highest goalscorer has seven goals (Lee, Cleworth and Fletcher all tied). They’re sharing goals out too
Four of our six are Ahadme, Aneke, Hylton and Kanu.
They brought in Smith in the window, whom a few on here were talking up, and the other six are all seasoned pros or a young player for whom they paid decent money. I have seen it suggested that such a large number of senior strikers brings its own problems, but I doubt Parky would take any of ours over his right now.
That’s a different argument. I’d argue he’d definitely take Godden though especially given Mullin’s struggles for goals this season. Rodriguez is very expensive and not scoring and neither is Ollie Palmer. I bet they’re rather have Leaburn over Palmer
Different to what? I'm saying that I still worry about where the goals come from if we fall behind in one of the crucial games coming up against our rivals for promotion (including the likely re-matches with Stockport in the playoffs). You've mentioned Godden and Leaburn there. Well, as we know, there are plenty of people on here who don't think Leaburn is currently worthy of a start. As for our other four, if there were no transfer window, would any of our rivals take any one of them to help them clinch promotion, even from the bench? Come on.
But then again, if you'd reminded me that we went to Wembley with just Lyle Taylor and...er....Josh Parker, then maybe I'd have shut up😀
Your argument appeared to be “they have more strikers so should score more goals”. In the system we play there’s only space for one out and out striker and yet still two of our strikers have scored more than most of theirs. I actually think Kanu would do well there too, the only reason he hasn’t played much for us this season is he’s directly competing with Godden in a way Leaburn and others aren’t quite
Nope. As an observation I noted that they have more strikers who are already established as such at this level (Kanu isn't and there's a case for saying Miles isn't either) are generally available for 90 minutes (Aneke isn't, and Hylton practically isn't) and have not been terminally useless for the season up to now (as Ahadme has been). So Parky has more good choices up front than we do. Generally, that's an advantage.
The issue, if there is one, maybe there isn't, is that we are not great at turning superiority into goals, and when we come up against good teams we might come to regret that.
@Manic_mania I assume you watched it yesterday. If so can you honestly tell me that when the second half reached 70 minutes and we still hadn't turned our superiority into a third goal, you were chilled and saying to yourself, "no worries, we've got this"? If so, you are a far less anxious person than me, and I envy you.
Yes, and I was anxious at the time. What i'm NOT is anxious after the fact because we did, in fact win. I am also not going to be anxious over if someone gets injured or if we had 6 shots in a game instead of 10. If we start losing/drawing too many games that that would be fair enough but we are probably in the best form in the country right now so why not enjoy it instead of nit picking?
This has been one of oddest post match threads of the season.
Reading the last several pages of discussion you'd never guess we won yesterday and it was our 7th home league win in a row.
When we're crap (most common in last 60 years) there's so much to criticise and discuss. When we're excellent like yesterday there's not much to discuss the vast majority are happy and we're nearly all in agreement.
Yes there are the usual miseries but they will always moan it's what they do, it's who they are.
Loved the atmosphere- I can't remember the Valley like that since the Bowyer promotion season. As for the football, I thought 2-0 flattered Wigan. They tried to get back into the game but there were large periods we were camped in their half. A few poor passes, a few too many step-overs and we never increased our advantage. And being league 1, our solid defence leaked a late goal and the last few minutes were panicky. Some of those hoofs out of defence straight to their players suggested we were worried. But three more points, and the teams around us will be worried about meeting us now.
Yes, and I was anxious at the time. What i'm NOT is anxious after the fact because we did, in fact win. I am also not going to be anxious over if someone gets injured or if we had 6 shots in a game instead of 10. If we start losing/drawing too many games that that would be fair enough but we are probably in the best form in the country right now so why not enjoy it instead of nit picking?
I was anxious as were my two pals next to me. Yet it dawned on us that the players weren't anxious, nor have they been when closing out recent victories at Crawley or at home to Barnsley, both single goal wins. I'm scarred by a lifetime of heartbreak (last season had enough on its own) but Jones has this group absolutely awash with belief, with discipline and a total refusal to give up. We look so wonderfully well organised.
I rock up now expecting to win every week. A rare old feeling. The players appear to share that belief and good on them for believing it. I see it in Ramsay and Jones in particular. They simply ooze a sense that they are better than their direct opponent. What a beautiful sight it is to see us so utterly dominant over our opponents. The Wigan fella bouncing off Ramsay as he set up the opener was pure poetry. "Have that you northern no-mark. We are Charlton."
Who's gonna bully this team? Who thinks they're better than us? No one in this division right now. Bring your mates along to Huddersfield, every empty seat is an insult to this group of players. Let's do our bit and end our League One purgatory.
This has been one of oddest post match threads of the season.
Reading the last several pages of discussion you'd never guess we won yesterday and it was our 7th home league win in a row.
When we're crap (most common in last 60 years) there's so much to criticise and discuss. When we're excellent like yesterday there's not much to discuss the vast majority are happy and we're nearly all in agreement.
Yes there are the usual miseries but they will always moan it's what they do, it's who they are.
Harsh on Steve Brown, but I’ll let you tell him that next time you are at an event with him😉
This has been one of oddest post match threads of the season.
Reading the last several pages of discussion you'd never guess we won yesterday and it was our 7th home league win in a row.
I think it's a type of PTSD. I was having premonitions of it going 2-2, as i prepared myself for the worst. For me this goes way back to Huddersfield at home in December 1983(?), at an impressionable age, when they spoilt our unbeaten home record for that season.
Plenty of other times since then have been suddenly, acutely, disappointing, but yesterday would have matched almost any for me. Yes, i am all in, hoping for second place, and agree with Golfie and Prague that there are genuine aspects to worry about. This anxiety is accentuated by the very fact of hoping for second place, as we are walking a tighter tight rope for it. We can afford less slip ups as each set of fixtures goes by, then once/ if the play offs come into view, we'll probably have to deal with Stockport again.
My additional fear is this squad may get awestruck in the bigger arenas of Wrexham and Wembley. I thought that showed itself a little at Birmingham, and earlier at Reading. Have to be grateful that this is Jones's job to manage. Meanwhile, hope of 2nd place is still alive for another week but pessimism is probably your friend, a psychological safety mechanism, when PTSD is your enemy
This has been one of oddest post match threads of the season.
Reading the last several pages of discussion you'd never guess we won yesterday and it was our 7th home league win in a row.
When we're crap (most common in last 60 years) there's so much to criticise and discuss. When we're excellent like yesterday there's not much to discuss the vast majority are happy and we're nearly all in agreement.
Yes there are the usual miseries but they will always moan it's what they do, it's who they are.
First: yesterday's game. Great to see the AC Stand fuller than I have seen it for some time. I wonder how many people took advantage of the six match ticket? It was squeaky bum time during the last ten minutes and it shouldnt have been. We should have scored more, which brings me onto my second point.
Yes, the goal diffference argument. Surely, if we are to make second, we need to win most of our games. Assuming we don't get any hammerings, nine games will vastly improve our goal difference. Meantime, Wycombe and Wrexham will need to lose and draw some games if we're going to be up there. So our GD will probably be better than theirs during that period if that scenario happens. But will it be enough?
It would be good to see us give a team a good beating though!
I think our goal difference to Wrexham is small enough that should we overtake them or match them for points, that ours could be higher than theirs. In the context of the play offs our goal difference to Bolton in 7th could be worth an extra point.
Noticeably long Qs at ticket office pre match. And had to Q for ladies’ loo at HT for the first time this season so definitely a much bigger crowd.
A really fun day and somehow seemed to keep meeting Irish people - some pre match and others afterwards in RAH. All live locally and were occasional or first time visitors. One group had last attended v Crawley at home yet still came back for more and hopefully had a much better experience!
My one concerning thought is that we need to guard against arrogance - it was there a bit in some of the pre match previews / predictions. It was there in our showboating from midway in second half - Jones staying forward, a few too many tricks and flicks. We’d been in control and first to every 50/50 but then we got Wigan a bit riled and nearly let them back in it. And finally it was there when NJ brought on two subs in injury time when we were defending a corner. Just don’t please.
And ref second half was indeed “horrible” as per our friend’s little grandson.
Three points in the bag. That’s what counts.
Or there’s been a big upsurge in Addicks transitioning.
the build up to the first goal where their defender tries to out muscle Ramsay but just bounces off of him is one of my favourite moments of the season
Same. Worth a couple of watches of the highlights just for that.
I think our goal difference to Wrexham is small enough that should we overtake them or match them for points, that ours could be higher than theirs. In the context of the play offs our goal difference to Bolton in 7th could be worth an extra point.
Beat them and the GD can only be 2 goals max. Obviously relies on us matching results up until then but realistically we would need to better them. GD to Wrexham is near irrelevant
Anyone claiming PTSD, you are of course wrong. It is in fact a Post Traumatic Charlton Disorder (PTCD). A lifelong condition, which hopefully will alleviate in May.
Anyone claiming PTSD, you are of course wrong. It is in fact a Post Traumatic Charlton Disorder (PTCD). A lifelong condition, which hopefully will alleviate in May.
Doh🤦♂️...why did you have to mention that word again!!..🤪🤪
Anyone claiming PTSD, you are of course wrong. It is in fact a Post Traumatic Charlton Disorder (PTCD). A lifelong condition, which hopefully will alleviate in May.
Nah, Post Charlton Stress Disorder (PCSD) cos it's Charlton that's caused the stress.
ETA I'm still emotionally scarred by Millwall away in the mid-80s - we went 2-0 up in the 86th minute, but ended up drawing 2-2.
Anyone claiming PTSD, you are of course wrong. It is in fact a Post Traumatic Charlton Disorder (PTCD). A lifelong condition, which hopefully will alleviate in May.
Nah, Post Charlton Stress Disorder (PCSD) cos it's Charlton that's caused the stress.
ETA I'm still emotionally scarred by Millwall away in the mid-80s - we went 2-0 up in the 86th minute, but ended up drawing 2-2.
I believe both conditions are closely related with similar symptoms...
Too many people are over-thinking it. Forget the permutations, the number of goals we score, the number of goals we concede, who does what, we just have one task and that is to go out and win each game as it comes, and only as it comes. It doesn’t matter whatsoever as to how we do it, nothing else matters.
I woke up with a nagging feeling I can’t shift; that @golfaddick sort of has a point.
Of course a win is a win, but they should have been buried alive in the second half. I never felt that was going to happen, after TC missed that early chance. We attacked, some of the approach work was excellent. But how many near misses were there? The very first minute, and then that’s it. There were a lot of dangerous situations, usually TC getting to the by-line on the left of the box, sometimes Small on the right. But the ball in from them never found a red shirt.
I suppose that the stats for shots on target would be the one that might shed some light on this, if someone could look at that for the top 6, but maybe since the turn of the year, once we became good.
Suppose we get less on target than our now rivals, why might that be?. Well, we haven’t got enough finishers on the pitch. TC cannot-yet-finish like JR-S could. 15 goals that boy got for us, in a crap team. Anyway yesterday TC was mainly all about trying to set up the final pass for a finisher, and there really was only one on the pitch at any one tîme, Godden or Miles - and Godden obvs much more the fox in the box type.
Its still the part of the NJ plan that I don’t quite get. If we had JR-S In TC’s place then I would get it. CB-T? Not so sure about that. He scored a few but he wasn’t very poised. Presumably the idea of the plan is that midfielders do some of that finishing. Berry does it sometimes but I dont recall him with a shot on target yesterday? Maybe Gilbert. He was certainly trying to get on the scoresheet on Tuesday and he wasnt far off.
Just my nagging doubt…
Maybe this helps Prague, January 1st Wycombe had played 23 games they scored 49 goals at that point, since that date they have scored 12 goals. January 1st Wrexham had played 24 games and scored 36 goals, since that date they have scored 15 goals. January 1st Charlton had played 22 games and scored 27 goals, since that date they have scored 22 goals. So based on those stats and if current form was to continue, Charlton with an average of 1.46 would finish higher goal scorers than both Wycombe and Wrexham, sorry but Golfie's arguments fly in the face of the stats.
Those stats are not really addressing my point. It's about shots on target, stuff that makes the keeper work. The lack of them yesterday, especially in the second half made me feel less comfortable than I should have done given our overall dominance. It's not like we weren't trying to score.
Apart from the very first minute how many serious efforts on goal did we have in the second half?
Oh dear Prague, sticky wicket I think. It's shots that go into the goal that count and we have scored more of those than our rivals since Xmas. At the moment we are like 'a juggernaut going down the hill' as Chicago Addick wrote on his blog. NJ seems completely focused on carrying on winning and the team is playing together in a way we have not seen for years. Look how hard it is to pick a MOM. It may blow up, look what happened to Orient, but the momentum is with us, very important with 9 games to go.
Too many people are over-thinking it. Forget the the permutations, the number of goals we score, the number of goals we concede, who does what, we just have one task and that is to go out and win each game as it comes, and only as it comes. It doesn’t matter whatsoever as to how we do it, nothing else matters.
Anyone claiming PTSD, you are of course wrong. It is in fact a Post Traumatic Charlton Disorder (PTCD). A lifelong condition, which hopefully will alleviate in May.
Nah, Post Charlton Stress Disorder (PCSD) cos it's Charlton that's caused the stress.
ETA I'm still emotionally scarred by Millwall away in the mid-80s - we went 2-0 up in the 86th minute, but ended up drawing 2-2.
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When we're excellent like yesterday there's not much to discuss the vast majority are happy and we're nearly all in agreement.
Yes there are the usual miseries but they will always moan it's what they do, it's who they are.
But three more points, and the teams around us will be worried about meeting us now.
I rock up now expecting to win every week. A rare old feeling. The players appear to share that belief and good on them for believing it. I see it in Ramsay and Jones in particular. They simply ooze a sense that they are better than their direct opponent. What a beautiful sight it is to see us so utterly dominant over our opponents. The Wigan fella bouncing off Ramsay as he set up the opener was pure poetry. "Have that you northern no-mark. We are Charlton."
Who's gonna bully this team? Who thinks they're better than us? No one in this division right now. Bring your mates along to Huddersfield, every empty seat is an insult to this group of players. Let's do our bit and end our League One purgatory.
Plenty of other times since then have been suddenly, acutely, disappointing, but yesterday would have matched almost any for me. Yes, i am all in, hoping for second place, and agree with Golfie and Prague that there are genuine aspects to worry about. This anxiety is accentuated by the very fact of hoping for second place, as we are walking a tighter tight rope for it. We can afford less slip ups as each set of fixtures goes by, then once/ if the play offs come into view, we'll probably have to deal with Stockport again.
My additional fear is this squad may get awestruck in the bigger arenas of Wrexham and Wembley. I thought that showed itself a little at Birmingham, and earlier at Reading. Have to be grateful that this is Jones's job to manage. Meanwhile, hope of 2nd place is still alive for another week but pessimism is probably your friend, a psychological safety mechanism, when PTSD is your enemy
Yes, the goal diffference argument. Surely, if we are to make second, we need to win most of our games. Assuming we don't get any hammerings, nine games will vastly improve our goal difference. Meantime, Wycombe and Wrexham will need to lose and draw some games if we're going to be up there. So our GD will probably be better than theirs during that period if that scenario happens. But will it be enough?
It would be good to see us give a team a good beating though!
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That can’t be right, I thought we didn’t score enough goals.
At the moment we are like 'a juggernaut going down the hill' as Chicago Addick wrote on his blog.
NJ seems completely focused on carrying on winning and the team is playing together in a way we have not seen for years. Look how hard it is to pick a MOM.
It may blow up, look what happened to Orient, but the momentum is with us, very important with 9 games to go.