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Speeding ticket advice

paulsturgesspaulsturgess
in Not Sports Related
Hi All,

it was an expensive away day to Mansfield for me last week... 

I've received not one but two speeding tickets for my drive up on the A14 in Cambridgeshire. The two tickets were timed at 14:23 and 14:26... just 3 minutes apart. 

I've done a bit of reading and spoken to a couple of solicitors who advised me that these should generally be considered as one ticket / a single offence as they were so close together, part of the same journey and on the same road etc. Essentially one speeding offence.

I've called the Police who verbally suggested otherwise. 

I will put it in writing to them, but for the obvious reasons (keeping my points down, insurance costs, not having to pay 2 x fines (in that order)) I would really like to challenge this but nervous about formally appealing to court if the police stick to their guns, and also whether it's worth forking out a substantial sum for solicitors...

Just wondered if anyone else has had any similar experience or advice, before I go back to the police?
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  • ChizzChizz
    If you got the two tickets more than about ten miles apart, you won't have a leg to stand on.  Just hand your keys in at the police station. 
  • LargeAddickLargeAddick
    what you are saying is you broke the speed limit once but then decided you might as well do so again. And now you are having to face the consequences. Can’t see an issue myself.
  • JaShea99JaShea99
    Gribbo said:
    If I punch 2 people in the face within 3 minutes of each other, will that constitute one assault and one offence? 

    If so, I'll dig my list.....
    If you haven’t had time for a letter/fine, supposedly serving as a deterrent in between them then yes.
  • golfaddickgolfaddick
    Chizz said:
    Here's a letter you might consider writing... 



    [Your Name]
    [Address]
    [Postcode]
    [Date]

    To Whom It May Concern,

    Subject: Request for Consideration of Two Speeding Offences as a Single Offence
    NIPs Ref: [Insert Reference Numbers]

    I am writing in relation to two Notices of Intended Prosecution I received for alleged speeding offences which occurred on [Date] on the A14 in Cambridgeshire, timed at 14:23 and 14:26 respectively — just three minutes apart, on the same stretch of road and during the same uninterrupted journey.

    I respectfully request that you consider exercising discretion to treat these two notices as a single continuing offence, rather than two separate offences.

    The basis for this request is that both alleged offences occurred in immediate succession, on the same road, and there was no opportunity for me to be made aware of the first alleged offence or to alter my driving behaviour before the second occurred. This aligns with a principle recognised in R v Wheat [1921] 14 Cr App R 87, where the court accepted that two closely connected offences committed in quick succession during the same act should be regarded as a single offence.

    I fully accept responsibility for the speeding and do not seek to avoid the consequences entirely — only to request that the circumstances be considered fairly and proportionately in light of the very short interval and same-route nature of the offences.

    I appreciate your time in reviewing this matter and look forward to your response.

    Kind regards,
    [Your Name]


    ---

    R. v Wheat set up the provoke that... 

    “Where two offences are committed in such close succession and in the course of the same transaction, they may be treated as one offence.”



    I love this board.
  • AFKABartramAFKABartram
    LargeAddick said:
    what you are saying is you broke the speed limit once but then decided you might as well do so again. And now you are having to face the consequences. Can’t see an issue myself.
    Is it usual to have to traps so close to each other or has he been captured twice on the same average speed check section. If just 3 mins apart there’s a higher chance it’s the second 
  • valleynick66valleynick66
    Out of interest did you get the offer of a speed awareness course or was that denied because they currently see it as 2 offences ?
  • ValiantphilValiantphil
    You have nothing to lose by asking. 
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  • valleynick66valleynick66
    AFKABartram said:
    LargeAddick said:
    what you are saying is you broke the speed limit once but then decided you might as well do so again. And now you are having to face the consequences. Can’t see an issue myself.
    Is it usual to have to traps so close to each other or has he been captured twice on the same average speed check section. If just 3 mins apart there’s a higher chance it’s the second 
    Or he was going very very fast ! 😆
  • GribboGribbo
    edited April 9
    AFKABartram said:
    LargeAddick said:
    what you are saying is you broke the speed limit once but then decided you might as well do so again. And now you are having to face the consequences. Can’t see an issue myself.
    Is it usual to have to traps so close to each other or has he been captured twice on the same average speed check section. If just 3 mins apart there’s a higher chance it’s the second 
    In a scenario where someone was doing 120 mph, could be 6 miles apart
  • cafcpolocafcpolo
    paulsturgess said:
    Hi All,

    it was an expensive away day to Mansfield for me last week... 

    I've received not one but two speeding tickets for my drive up on the A14 in Cambridgeshire. The two tickets were timed at 14:23 and 14:26... just 3 minutes apart. 

    I've done a bit of reading and spoken to a couple of solicitors who advised me that these should generally be considered as one ticket / a single offence as they were so close together, part of the same journey and on the same road etc. Essentially one speeding offence.

    I've called the Police who verbally suggested otherwise. 

    I will put it in writing to them, but for the obvious reasons (keeping my points down, insurance costs, not having to pay 2 x fines (in that order)) I would really like to challenge this but nervous about formally appealing to court if the police stick to their guns, and also whether it's worth forking out a substantial sum for solicitors...

    Just wondered if anyone else has had any similar experience or advice, before I go back to the police?
    Usually treated as two separate offences unless you appeal and can convince the court otherwise.
  • North Lower NeilNorth Lower Neil
    cafcpolo said:
    paulsturgess said:
    Hi All,

    it was an expensive away day to Mansfield for me last week... 

    I've received not one but two speeding tickets for my drive up on the A14 in Cambridgeshire. The two tickets were timed at 14:23 and 14:26... just 3 minutes apart. 

    I've done a bit of reading and spoken to a couple of solicitors who advised me that these should generally be considered as one ticket / a single offence as they were so close together, part of the same journey and on the same road etc. Essentially one speeding offence.

    I've called the Police who verbally suggested otherwise. 

    I will put it in writing to them, but for the obvious reasons (keeping my points down, insurance costs, not having to pay 2 x fines (in that order)) I would really like to challenge this but nervous about formally appealing to court if the police stick to their guns, and also whether it's worth forking out a substantial sum for solicitors...

    Just wondered if anyone else has had any similar experience or advice, before I go back to the police?
    Usually treated as two separate offences unless you appeal and can convince the court otherwise.
    "I promise I didn't slow down in-between the two"?
  • eastterrace6168eastterrace6168
    paulsturgess said:
    Hi All,

    it was an expensive away day to Mansfield for me last week... 

    I've received not one but two speeding tickets for my drive up on the A14 in Cambridgeshire. The two tickets were timed at 14:23 and 14:26... just 3 minutes apart. 

    I've done a bit of reading and spoken to a couple of solicitors who advised me that these should generally be considered as one ticket / a single offence as they were so close together, part of the same journey and on the same road etc. Essentially one speeding offence.

    I've called the Police who verbally suggested otherwise. 

    I will put it in writing to them, but for the obvious reasons (keeping my points down, insurance costs, not having to pay 2 x fines (in that order)) I would really like to challenge this but nervous about formally appealing to court if the police stick to their guns, and also whether it's worth forking out a substantial sum for solicitors...

    Just wondered if anyone else has had any similar experience or advice, before I go back to the police?
    Love that comment, in otherwise just a waste of time, guilty until proven innocent...🙄
  • carly burncarly burn
    edited April 9
    AFKABartram said:
    LargeAddick said:
    what you are saying is you broke the speed limit once but then decided you might as well do so again. And now you are having to face the consequences. Can’t see an issue myself.
    Is it usual to have to traps so close to each other or has he been captured twice on the same average speed check section. If just 3 mins apart there’s a higher chance it’s the second 
     When you're travelling at 142 mph these things will happen!
  • letthegoodtimesrollletthegoodtimesroll
    edited April 9
    What car do you have and what year is it ?

    this could be pretty relevant. My car, like the ones before it constantly tells me what the speed limit is, it also alerts me as soon as I start exceeding it by 2 miles per hour. If yours does the same then the OB will know and your only 3 minute apart argument doesn’t have a leg to stand on. 

    Next issue you might have is how clear and how frequent were the speed limit sign on the stretch of the road. I suspect there would have been at least two if there were two speed cameras in place to capture your transgressions. Missing a sign covered by overgrown vegetation might give you an excuse. Missing clear (multiple) signs sounds like it might be not paying due care and attention(?).

    Out of interest, how fast were you going for each of the two offences and what was the speed limit ?  
  • guinnessaddickguinnessaddick
    If there were two of you in the car, you could say you stopped and swapped the driving.
  • letthegoodtimesrollletthegoodtimesroll
    Gribbo said:
    AFKABartram said:
    LargeAddick said:
    what you are saying is you broke the speed limit once but then decided you might as well do so again. And now you are having to face the consequences. Can’t see an issue myself.
    Is it usual to have to traps so close to each other or has he been captured twice on the same average speed check section. If just 3 mins apart there’s a higher chance it’s the second 
    In a scenario where someone was doing 120 mph, could be 6 miles apart
    Isn’t that speed an automatic ban ?
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  • guinnessaddickguinnessaddick
    letthegoodtimesroll said:
    Gribbo said:
    AFKABartram said:
    LargeAddick said:
    what you are saying is you broke the speed limit once but then decided you might as well do so again. And now you are having to face the consequences. Can’t see an issue myself.
    Is it usual to have to traps so close to each other or has he been captured twice on the same average speed check section. If just 3 mins apart there’s a higher chance it’s the second 
    In a scenario where someone was doing 120 mph, could be 6 miles apart
    Isn’t that speed an automatic ban ?
    Handy if you can drive stick.
  • Henry IrvingHenry Irving
    guinnessaddick said:
    If there were two of you in the car, you could say you stopped and swapped the driving.
    Which would be a far worse offence in the eyes of the law, if untrue.
  • Kap10Kap10
    AFKABartram said:
    LargeAddick said:
    what you are saying is you broke the speed limit once but then decided you might as well do so again. And now you are having to face the consequences. Can’t see an issue myself.
    Is it usual to have to traps so close to each other or has he been captured twice on the same average speed check section. If just 3 mins apart there’s a higher chance it’s the second 
    Driving his Ferari at 140 mph maybe an issue
  • Kap10Kap10
    guinnessaddick said:
    If there were two of you in the car, you could say you stopped and swapped the driving.
    Didn't a ToryMP get prison time for getting his wife to take his speeding offence?
  • MuttleyCAFCMuttleyCAFC
    guinnessaddick said:
    Decent letter, however firstly you state “alleged” offence then later you take responsibility for the offence.
    Yes, good letter but maybe show as much contrition as possible so remove 'alleged' and big up the learning your lesson bit promising to never speed again.
  • SoundAsa£SoundAsa£
    edited April 9
    AFKABartram said:
    LargeAddick said:
    what you are saying is you broke the speed limit once but then decided you might as well do so again. And now you are having to face the consequences. Can’t see an issue myself.
    Is it usual to have to traps so close to each other or has he been captured twice on the same average speed check section. If just 3 mins apart there’s a higher chance it’s the second 
    .
  • SporadicAddickSporadicAddick
    edited April 9
    Kap10 said:
    guinnessaddick said:
    If there were two of you in the car, you could say you stopped and swapped the driving.
    Didn't a ToryMP get prison time for getting his wife to take his speeding offence?
    Chris Huhne, but also a Labour MP (just for balance).

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-47040912
  • Crusty54Crusty54
    If you appeal and lose you will not be able to pay the reduced fine for prompt payment.
  • PrincessFionaPrincessFiona
    Kap10 said:
    guinnessaddick said:
    If there were two of you in the car, you could say you stopped and swapped the driving.
    Didn't a ToryMP get prison time for getting his wife to take his speeding offence?
    Lib Dem former minister Chris Huhne
  • GribboGribbo
    edited April 9
    PrincessFiona said:
    Kap10 said:
    guinnessaddick said:
    If there were two of you in the car, you could say you stopped and swapped the driving.
    Didn't a ToryMP get prison time for getting his wife to take his speeding offence?
    Lib Dem former minister Chris Huhne
    Pretty sure there was a Labour MP who got her brother ro similar. They're all at it lol
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