Seriously. Some fans think they should be able to pay the same price as those who had bought a season ticket before they knew what league we were in?
No - people that bought "before we knew what league we were in" were playing division 3 prices. they knew what league we were in, but also knew they had a benefit if we were promoted. That's as it should be.
All it needed was for the club to state that prices would go up if we were promoted, either immediately of shortly after. It's genuinely that simple. Then there would be no debate, and no-one would be annoyed.
Instead they put out a statement about taking tickets off sale without any reference to why. Not only did they miss a sales opportunity by driving purchase before the final, but they impacted post win sales at the same time as pissing people off.
Loads of comments on here about "people should have guessed / it was obvious it would happen / people should have read between the lines". No they shouldn't, the club should have been transparent.
The fact that they weren't is why this debate is still going on, and why there are loads of examples of fans not now buying tickets because the club failed to communicate.
I can let you know now. If we get promoted to the premiership season ticket prices will go up.
See, it's really easy. Why didn't the club just say that?
We need to get promoted first.
do we?
Before you are promoted, you can't say "if we get promoted, prices will go up"?
You evidently can, and it would be good business sense and good customer service to do so.
The clubs comms have been poor over the play off ticket sales and arguably they could have made it blindingly clear that there would be a price hike after the deadline for st renewal and the extent of this price hike would be dependent on what division we would be in. Most people won’t need this level of communication but there are plenty who like to be offended even if on other peoples behalf and also need a reason to pin the lower than expected ST sales on. However, nobody has said that our prices are above our rivals so I assume they aren’t and so why are we moaning or expecting that the club should charge less in the hope that we can claw in sone less than committed fans ? How about adopting an attitude where you ask what u can do for the club rather than asking what they can do for you ? Theres always an excuse for some people and this has fallen right into those laps - ‘I’m offended by the increase’ - really ? On what basis ? That you didn’t know the going rate for championship football or because u thought charlton would be the cheap option ? If u want the cheap option there are still a lot of £375 tickets available. Get on board and support the club and we might just start going forwards and keep going forwards at last
The clubs comms have been poor over the play off ticket sales and arguably they could have made it blindingly clear that there would be a price hike after the deadline for st renewal and the extent of this price hike would be dependent on what division we would be in. Most people won’t need this level of communication but there are plenty who like to be offended even if on other peoples behalf and also need a reason to pin the lower than expected ST sales on. However, nobody has said that our prices are above our rivals so I assume they aren’t and so why are we moaning or expecting that the club should charge less in the hope that we can claw in sone less than committed fans ? How about adopting an attitude where you ask what u can do for the club rather than asking what they can do for you ? Theres always an excuse for some people and this has fallen right into those laps - ‘I’m offended by the increase’ - really ? On what basis ? That you didn’t know the going rate for championship football or because u thought charlton would be the cheap option ? If u want the cheap option there are still a lot of £375 tickets available. Get on board and support the club and we might just start going forwards and keep going forwards at last
Have you considered a career in marketing / comms? 😉😆
The clubs comms have been poor over the play off ticket sales and arguably they could have made it blindingly clear that there would be a price hike after the deadline for st renewal and the extent of this price hike would be dependent on what division we would be in. Most people won’t need this level of communication but there are plenty who like to be offended even if on other peoples behalf and also need a reason to pin the lower than expected ST sales on. However, nobody has said that our prices are above our rivals so I assume they aren’t and so why are we moaning or expecting that the club should charge less in the hope that we can claw in sone less than committed fans ? How about adopting an attitude where you ask what u can do for the club rather than asking what they can do for you ? Theres always an excuse for some people and this has fallen right into those laps - ‘I’m offended by the increase’ - really ? On what basis ? That you didn’t know the going rate for championship football or because u thought charlton would be the cheap option ? If u want the cheap option there are still a lot of £375 tickets available. Get on board and support the club and we might just start going forwards and keep going forwards at last
Have you considered a career in marketing / comms? 😉😆
Blimey - people do like a moan and can’t even decide whether its coz they didn’t know there was going to be an increase or whether it’s the extent of the increase - won’t stop them pissing the amount of the increase up the wall every Friday night
The clubs comms have been poor over the play off ticket sales and arguably they could have made it blindingly clear that there would be a price hike after the deadline for st renewal and the extent of this price hike would be dependent on what division we would be in. Most people won’t need this level of communication but there are plenty who like to be offended even if on other peoples behalf and also need a reason to pin the lower than expected ST sales on. However, nobody has said that our prices are above our rivals so I assume they aren’t and so why are we moaning or expecting that the club should charge less in the hope that we can claw in sone less than committed fans ? How about adopting an attitude where you ask what u can do for the club rather than asking what they can do for you ? Theres always an excuse for some people and this has fallen right into those laps - ‘I’m offended by the increase’ - really ? On what basis ? That you didn’t know the going rate for championship football or because u thought charlton would be the cheap option ? If u want the cheap option there are still a lot of £375 tickets available. Get on board and support the club and we might just start going forwards and keep going forwards at last
Offended by you too Doucher, your wind up tactics, apparent or wilful inability to comprehend a situation that has been clearly spelt out in earlier posts, and most of all your unhealthy fanaticism that leads you tell others how they should spend their money however they feel about the situation.
Is selling a season ticket really as important anymore as it used to be?
Football and society has changed considerably since our Premier League days, far less Saturday 3pm kick offs than there used to be, folk with less disposable income and also working habits the Monday - Friday 9-5 is a lot less than it used to be with flexible working now a lot bigger than it was in our last Premier League run.
So if a fan can only make 18 of the 23 games available but still goes to those 18 do they need a season ticket? Probably not unless they want to guarantee there seat of choice but so long as that fan still goes to those 18 games then that's what matters. Life has changed and fan habits have also changed and maybe the season ticket isn't as important as it once was. It's clear people pick and choose games when you see the stark contrast in crowds for the Crawley and Burton home games. Wouldn't surprise me if we find Preston on a Tuesday night in December at home pulls in a Crawley-like crowd but then Southampton at home on a Saturday in August potentially pulls in a sell-out.
It's the same with our away games, the more glamourous ones will sell out while Hull away midweek in January its fair to say anyone who wants a ticket will get one. To me it feels more like the changing habits of fans, society and the fixture list are bigger contributors to fans not buying a ST compared to a price increase.
Yes 10k is below where you'd like it to be, hopefully by kick off we can get 12k and look to to get 20k+ crowds back in
Is selling a season ticket really as important anymore as it used to be?
Football and society has changed considerably since our Premier League days, far less Saturday 3pm kick offs than there used to be, folk with less disposable income and also working habits the Monday - Friday 9-5 is a lot less than it used to be with flexible working now a lot bigger than it was in our last Premier League run.
So if a fan can only make 18 of the 23 games available but still goes to those 18 do they need a season ticket? Probably not unless they want to guarantee there seat of choice but so long as that fan still goes to those 18 games then that's what matters. Life has changed and fan habits have also changed and maybe the season ticket isn't as important as it once was. It's clear people pick and choose games when you see the stark contrast in crowds for the Crawley and Burton home games. Wouldn't surprise me if we find Preston on a Tuesday night in December at home pulls in a Crawley-like crowd but then Southampton at home on a Saturday in August potentially pulls in a sell-out.
It's the same with our away games, the more glamourous ones will sell out while Hull away midweek in January its fair to say anyone who wants a ticket will get one. To me it feels more like the changing habits of fans, society and the fixture list are bigger contributors to fans not buying a ST compared to a price increase.
Yes 10k is below where you'd like it to be, hopefully by kick off we can get 12k and look to to get 20k+ crowds back in
I believe season ticket purchases have increased all over the country during this time. So no.
The clubs comms have been poor over the play off ticket sales and arguably they could have made it blindingly clear that there would be a price hike after the deadline for st renewal and the extent of this price hike would be dependent on what division we would be in. Most people won’t need this level of communication but there are plenty who like to be offended even if on other peoples behalf and also need a reason to pin the lower than expected ST sales on. However, nobody has said that our prices are above our rivals so I assume they aren’t and so why are we moaning or expecting that the club should charge less in the hope that we can claw in sone less than committed fans ? How about adopting an attitude where you ask what u can do for the club rather than asking what they can do for you ? Theres always an excuse for some people and this has fallen right into those laps - ‘I’m offended by the increase’ - really ? On what basis ? That you didn’t know the going rate for championship football or because u thought charlton would be the cheap option ? If u want the cheap option there are still a lot of £375 tickets available. Get on board and support the club and we might just start going forwards and keep going forwards at last
Offended by you too Doucher, your wind up tactics, apparent or wilful inability to comprehend a situation that has been clearly spelt out in earlier posts, and most of all your unhealthy fanaticism that leads you tell others how they should spend their money however they feel about the situation.
Apart from cup games of course. They don’t count in the calculation of “supporter” if you are in the role of defining what a supporter is.
Is selling a season ticket really as important anymore as it used to be?
Football and society has changed considerably since our Premier League days, far less Saturday 3pm kick offs than there used to be, folk with less disposable income and also working habits the Monday - Friday 9-5 is a lot less than it used to be with flexible working now a lot bigger than it was in our last Premier League run.
So if a fan can only make 18 of the 23 games available but still goes to those 18 do they need a season ticket? Probably not unless they want to guarantee there seat of choice but so long as that fan still goes to those 18 games then that's what matters. Life has changed and fan habits have also changed and maybe the season ticket isn't as important as it once was. It's clear people pick and choose games when you see the stark contrast in crowds for the Crawley and Burton home games. Wouldn't surprise me if we find Preston on a Tuesday night in December at home pulls in a Crawley-like crowd but then Southampton at home on a Saturday in August potentially pulls in a sell-out.
It's the same with our away games, the more glamourous ones will sell out while Hull away midweek in January its fair to say anyone who wants a ticket will get one. To me it feels more like the changing habits of fans, society and the fixture list are bigger contributors to fans not buying a ST compared to a price increase.
Yes 10k is below where you'd like it to be, hopefully by kick off we can get 12k and look to to get 20k+ crowds back in
We'll definitely get a few 20k+ crowds.
A lot of sides are going to sell out the JS stand, so with our current ST sales that's already 14k. We will no doubt sell a few more ST's as we make more signings and the season gets closer.
I think our matchday sales will be quite high this year with a lot of people waiting to see what time the Saturday games actually kick off, 12.30, 3, 5.30 etc.
Is selling a season ticket really as important anymore as it used to be?
Football and society has changed considerably since our Premier League days, far less Saturday 3pm kick offs than there used to be, folk with less disposable income and also working habits the Monday - Friday 9-5 is a lot less than it used to be with flexible working now a lot bigger than it was in our last Premier League run.
So if a fan can only make 18 of the 23 games available but still goes to those 18 do they need a season ticket? Probably not unless they want to guarantee there seat of choice but so long as that fan still goes to those 18 games then that's what matters. Life has changed and fan habits have also changed and maybe the season ticket isn't as important as it once was. It's clear people pick and choose games when you see the stark contrast in crowds for the Crawley and Burton home games. Wouldn't surprise me if we find Preston on a Tuesday night in December at home pulls in a Crawley-like crowd but then Southampton at home on a Saturday in August potentially pulls in a sell-out.
It's the same with our away games, the more glamourous ones will sell out while Hull away midweek in January its fair to say anyone who wants a ticket will get one. To me it feels more like the changing habits of fans, society and the fixture list are bigger contributors to fans not buying a ST compared to a price increase.
Yes 10k is below where you'd like it to be, hopefully by kick off we can get 12k and look to to get 20k+ crowds back in
We'll definitely get a few 20k+ crowds.
A lot of sides are going to sell out the JS stand, so with our current ST sales that's already 14k. We will no doubt sell a few more ST's as we make more signings and the season gets closer.
I think our matchday sales will be quite high this year with a lot of people waiting to see what time the Saturday games actually kick off, 12.30, 3, 5.30 etc.
The more attractive games will be the ones most likely to attract the bigger crowds but, unfortunately, those will also be the ones more likely to get moved for TV. ‘A few 20k+ crowds’ ? might be a bigger ask unless we are at or near the top of the league.
I think I think we will get plenty of + 20,000 gates
I agree, I think we’ll see a big difference between midweeks and Saturday games. This season I think we are going to see a huge increase in overseas weekend visitors, suspect the database of one off visitors come end of season will be the highest ever. It’s all good income for the club and a lot of them will buy merch as well, but personally I’d rather see those seats filled with actual Charlton fans.
Midweeks will be a different story, particularly with a higher % of ST holders swerving them.
Isn't a big chunk of having a season ticket the enhanced sense of belonging and familiarity, the people you're with and/or sitting close to, the 'same old' routine/gate/stewards/view of the game/queue at half time (lol)......... it is for me. I've done both, match and season tickets and feel much more at home and somehow have a better experience with the latter. I count myself fortunate I can both afford the season ticket and am able to make it to most games no matter the day/time.
I realise the Sky schedules give quite short notice but..... for the argument....... let's say over the course of the season we're 'guaranteed' 9 home games on Saturday at 3pm (or whatever the number) ...... and so many on a Tuesday at 7:45pm etc. etc......... would it be feasible for the club......... and would supporters want it........ to sell/buy a mixed season ticket for the same seats for so many (not sure how many) Saturday 3pm/Tuesday 7:45pm etc........ and have the fans select the dates month by month when the Sky dates/cup matched etc. are known? Too complicated? OK, I'll get my hat and coat
Of course everything depends on which days and which kick off times, but as Gavin Carter pointed out the other day going to Charlton is a bit of a favourite for away fans. Next season will be the first opportunity in a number of years for away fans to visit the eighth wonder of the world and I expect the substantial majority of games will fill the Jimmy Seed. Depending on how we are doing I think we will average 17 to 18 thousand next season.
Is selling a season ticket really as important anymore as it used to be?
It is to club finances, arguably more so given the state they’re in.
Only in terms of receiving more of an up front lump sum. Long term the club would make more money if all tickets were sold match by match.
Yes but the variety of kick-off times and unpredictability of form tilts the balance towards season tickets. There is a small extra benefit from tourist ticket sales because of their retail spend, but it won’t be significant. In any event, we have plenty of room for both.
More away end sell-outs also means more restricted home matchday sales, which is another consideration.
I'm hopefully moving 20 odd miles to be 0.8 miles away from The Valley, does that make me the ultimate fan? Means I can get back from evening games by 10 instead of 11:30!
if you can afford a house near the ground that makes you .....wealthy?
Renting, same price as I'm paying now, save £60 on council tax and £300 on travel, and cutting travel time to work in half.
Isn't a big chunk of having a season ticket the enhanced sense of belonging and familiarity, the people you're with and/or sitting close to, the 'same old' routine/gate/stewards/view of the game/queue at half time (lol)......... it is for me. I've done both, match and season tickets and feel much more at home and somehow have a better experience with the latter. I count myself fortunate I can both afford the season ticket and am able to make it to most games no matter the day/time.
I realise the Sky schedules give quite short notice but..... for the argument....... let's say over the course of the season we're 'guaranteed' 9 home games on Saturday at 3pm (or whatever the number) ...... and so many on a Tuesday at 7:45pm etc. etc......... would it be feasible for the club......... and would supporters want it........ to sell/buy a mixed season ticket for the same seats for so many (not sure how many) Saturday 3pm/Tuesday 7:45pm etc........ and have the fans select the dates month by month when the Sky dates/cup matched etc. are known? Too complicated? OK, I'll get my hat and coat
I think you're on to something- ie pay for "x" home games in advance to get a discount- maybe no reserved seat tho' past a certain number of days before the game... just a guarantee to get you in
Isn't a big chunk of having a season ticket the enhanced sense of belonging and familiarity, the people you're with and/or sitting close to, the 'same old' routine/gate/stewards/view of the game/queue at half time (lol)......... it is for me. I've done both, match and season tickets and feel much more at home and somehow have a better experience with the latter. I count myself fortunate I can both afford the season ticket and am able to make it to most games no matter the day/time.
I realise the Sky schedules give quite short notice but..... for the argument....... let's say over the course of the season we're 'guaranteed' 9 home games on Saturday at 3pm (or whatever the number) ...... and so many on a Tuesday at 7:45pm etc. etc......... would it be feasible for the club......... and would supporters want it........ to sell/buy a mixed season ticket for the same seats for so many (not sure how many) Saturday 3pm/Tuesday 7:45pm etc........ and have the fans select the dates month by month when the Sky dates/cup matched etc. are known? Too complicated? OK, I'll get my hat and coat
I think you're on to something- ie pay for "x" home games in advance to get a discount- maybe no reserved seat tho' past a certain number of days before the game... just a guarantee to get you in
Why do you need a “guarantee to get in” when thousands of home seats will be available for every game
Isn't a big chunk of having a season ticket the enhanced sense of belonging and familiarity, the people you're with and/or sitting close to, the 'same old' routine/gate/stewards/view of the game/queue at half time (lol)......... it is for me. I've done both, match and season tickets and feel much more at home and somehow have a better experience with the latter. I count myself fortunate I can both afford the season ticket and am able to make it to most games no matter the day/time.
I realise the Sky schedules give quite short notice but..... for the argument....... let's say over the course of the season we're 'guaranteed' 9 home games on Saturday at 3pm (or whatever the number) ...... and so many on a Tuesday at 7:45pm etc. etc......... would it be feasible for the club......... and would supporters want it........ to sell/buy a mixed season ticket for the same seats for so many (not sure how many) Saturday 3pm/Tuesday 7:45pm etc........ and have the fans select the dates month by month when the Sky dates/cup matched etc. are known? Too complicated? OK, I'll get my hat and coat
Last season Sky announced all the EFL games chosen for live tv up to the 3rd round of the FA Cup [early Jan] in early July, it is only later in the season when shorter notice is given.
I think I think we will get plenty of + 20,000 gates
I agree, I think we’ll see a big difference between midweeks and Saturday games. This season I think we are going to see a huge increase in overseas weekend visitors, suspect the database of one off visitors come end of season will be the highest ever. It’s all good income for the club and a lot of them will buy merch as well, but personally I’d rather see those seats filled with actual Charlton fans.
Midweeks will be a different story, particularly with a higher % of ST holders swerving them.
We’ll definitely get overseas ground hoppers, but the reduction in 3pm kick offs will dampen that a bit.
Is selling a season ticket really as important anymore as it used to be?
It is to club finances, arguably more so given the state they’re in.
Only in terms of receiving more of an up front lump sum. Long term the club would make more money if all tickets were sold match by match.
They’d make more per ticket sold, but if all tickets were match by match you’d have some awful ticket sales in the middle of winter and/or when the team is playing terribly.
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Before you are promoted, you can't say "if we get promoted, prices will go up"?
You evidently can, and it would be good business sense and good customer service to do so.
notice
did we have :
then post early bird price
then post play off price
or was it just
early bird renewal
then post playoff hike
or was
it a third option I have not covered
Football and society has changed considerably since our Premier League days, far less Saturday 3pm kick offs than there used to be, folk with less disposable income and also working habits the Monday - Friday 9-5 is a lot less than it used to be with flexible working now a lot bigger than it was in our last Premier League run.
So if a fan can only make 18 of the 23 games available but still goes to those 18 do they need a season ticket? Probably not unless they want to guarantee there seat of choice but so long as that fan still goes to those 18 games then that's what matters. Life has changed and fan habits have also changed and maybe the season ticket isn't as important as it once was. It's clear people pick and choose games when you see the stark contrast in crowds for the Crawley and Burton home games. Wouldn't surprise me if we find Preston on a Tuesday night in December at home pulls in a Crawley-like crowd but then Southampton at home on a Saturday in August potentially pulls in a sell-out.
It's the same with our away games, the more glamourous ones will sell out while Hull away midweek in January its fair to say anyone who wants a ticket will get one. To me it feels more like the changing habits of fans, society and the fixture list are bigger contributors to fans not buying a ST compared to a price increase.
Yes 10k is below where you'd like it to be, hopefully by kick off we can get 12k and look to to get 20k+ crowds back in
A lot of sides are going to sell out the JS stand, so with our current ST sales that's already 14k. We will no doubt sell a few more ST's as we make more signings and the season gets closer.
I think our matchday sales will be quite high this year with a lot of people waiting to see what time the Saturday games actually kick off, 12.30, 3, 5.30 etc.
I count myself fortunate I can both afford the season ticket and am able to make it to most games no matter the day/time.
I realise the Sky schedules give quite short notice but..... for the argument....... let's say over the course of the season we're 'guaranteed' 9 home games on Saturday at 3pm (or whatever the number) ...... and so many on a Tuesday at 7:45pm etc. etc......... would it be feasible for the club......... and would supporters want it........ to sell/buy a mixed season ticket for the same seats for so many (not sure how many) Saturday 3pm/Tuesday 7:45pm etc........ and have the fans select the dates month by month when the Sky dates/cup matched etc. are known? Too complicated? OK, I'll get my hat and coat
Next season will be the first opportunity in a number of years for away fans to visit the eighth wonder of the world and I expect the substantial majority of games will fill the Jimmy Seed.
Depending on how we are doing I think we will average 17 to 18 thousand next season.
More away end sell-outs also means more restricted home matchday sales, which is another consideration.