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  • valleynick66
    valleynick66 Posts: 4,890
    The current plan is to monetise everything it seems. 
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,359
    The current plan is to monetise everything it seems. 
    People will pay it, but that's a bump. 

    Just park at B&Q, 4 hours for free, or Maccies, 3 hours free
  • The current plan is to monetise everything it seems. 
    Needs to be at a price that makes it feasible. Not like the club will get all that money some would go to the school and some go big parking. Given the lack of parking around the ground, this is a good compromise 
  • shirty5
    shirty5 Posts: 19,224

  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,359
    shirty5 said:

    Well, that's Harvey Knibbs transfer fee covered then
  • charlton4ever
    charlton4ever Posts: 1,716
    Its working now - I got that message but now on sale 
  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,734
    Billy_Mix said:
    On-street parking revenue in the UK must be used in accordance with the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 (RTRA 1984). Specifically, the income can be used to cover the costs of parking management, including enforcement, maintenance of parking facilities, and traffic management improvements. Surpluses from parking operations can be used for other transport-related purposes, such as public transport schemes or highway improvements. However, it's unlawful for local authorities to set parking charges with the primary goal of generating general revenue for other services.
    We know you know your onions on local authority regulation.
    LBG aren't allowed to directly spend the parking taxes on non transport budgets.
    But we car users are still the softest target for cash revenue.
    If the enhanced surpluses are ringfenced for potholes, maintenance etc, there's more of the borough's overall budget for everything else.
    I don't suppose the elevated parking taxes will make LBG's roads self funding but we drivers remain a simple source of cash.
    The officers can chalk up an easy win and the politicians can smugly bleat on about the (highly debatable) green credentials.
    Meanwhile Charlton's businesses suffer the consequences of diminished footfall.

    This season is an absolute free hit for LBG where CAFC is concerned cos they'll know fine well that attendances will be higher this season than last (til Christmas at least) and that will help to mask the reduction in people coming to games, whose only option is cars.
    CAFC need to be banging down LBG's doors reminding the lazy opportunists how important CAFC is to the whole borough.
    I doubt if RBG or its councillors see Charlton fans as a revenue opportunity or have any understanding of the unsuitability of public transport options for many fans.  I doubt if the club management has much grasp of the issues, either, to be honest.
  • Crusty54
    Crusty54 Posts: 3,232
    Up to five and a half hours parking for that. Some of the money going to a local school.
  • SporadicAddick
    SporadicAddick Posts: 6,855
    It is and it isn’t.

    Compared to the free on street that we were all used to, it’s a joke.

    In the context of more than one person in that car, relative to the cost of public transport, it’s fairly good value.

    Either way, if there is an issue, it’s wholly with RBG, and not the football club.
  • Uboat
    Uboat Posts: 12,195
    Agreed. A tenner would be about right. 
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  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 21,266
    £15 is cheaper than a fine, a return train ticket for the whole family from Gravesend or what you'd pay in, for instance, The Valley car park
  • moutuakilla
    moutuakilla Posts: 7,568
    Has anyone got a map for the current restrictions? 
  • BobK
    BobK Posts: 88
    Season parking in the Valley car park on match days last year was £690 or individual games £45. This did not include cup games or the play-off semi. This year there were no places being sold at the Valley (mainly due to the (not so) Fun Zone.
  • valleynick66
    valleynick66 Posts: 4,890
    sam3110 said:
    £15 is cheaper than a fine, a return train ticket for the whole family from Gravesend or what you'd pay in, for instance, The Valley car park
    Yes all true.

     But when you go on a day trip do you rock up at say Herne Bay or Brighton and think £15 to park  that’s ok? 
  • Carter
    Carter Posts: 14,246
    sam3110 said:
    £15 is cheaper than a fine, a return train ticket for the whole family from Gravesend or what you'd pay in, for instance, The Valley car park
    Yes all true.

     But when you go on a day trip do you rock up at say Herne Bay or Brighton and think £15 to park  that’s ok? 
    Funnily enough I was immediately thinking £15 is reasonable for Brighton
  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 21,266
    sam3110 said:
    £15 is cheaper than a fine, a return train ticket for the whole family from Gravesend or what you'd pay in, for instance, The Valley car park
    Yes all true.

     But when you go on a day trip do you rock up at say Herne Bay or Brighton and think £15 to park  that’s ok? 
    For 5-6 hours parking? Yes.

    Parking in Bournemouth at The Pavillion is £21 for 6 hours for instance. 

    Parking at Westfield Stratford for up to 6 hours is £19.10, over 6 is £25.30

    Incidentally an all day parking pass in some places in Herne Bay is indeed £15, so yes I'd say it's ok. 

    A half-day on the beach front in Brighton is £17.20, 4 hours at the shops is £16.60
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,628
    I've bought tickets for the game at Bristol City next Saturday. Looked online at Justpark and a few of the "regulated" parking sites such as schools & car parks were £15.  Off street parking (I imagine peoples drives etc) varied from £12 to £40 !

    I booked what looks like a rugby club car park for £10 about a 10 min walk away. Seems the going rate by looks of things.
  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,118
    sam3110 said:
    £15 is cheaper than a fine, a return train ticket for the whole family from Gravesend or what you'd pay in, for instance, The Valley car park
    Yes all true.

     But when you go on a day trip do you rock up at say Herne Bay or Brighton and think £15 to park  that’s ok? 
    Just paid 30 quid to park in Brighton for the day. 
  • buckshee
    buckshee Posts: 7,867
    I've bought tickets for the game at Bristol City next Saturday. Looked online at Justpark and a few of the "regulated" parking sites such as schools & car parks were £15.  Off street parking (I imagine peoples drives etc) varied from £12 to £40 !

    I booked what looks like a rugby club car park for £10 about a 10 min walk away. Seems the going rate by looks of things.
    I’ve had the same issue Golfie, where did you book and was it through JustPark?
  • valleynick66
    valleynick66 Posts: 4,890
    sam3110 said:
    £15 is cheaper than a fine, a return train ticket for the whole family from Gravesend or what you'd pay in, for instance, The Valley car park
    Yes all true.

     But when you go on a day trip do you rock up at say Herne Bay or Brighton and think £15 to park  that’s ok? 
    Just paid 30 quid to park in Brighton for the day. 
    Ouch
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  • valleynick66
    valleynick66 Posts: 4,890
    sam3110 said:
    sam3110 said:
    £15 is cheaper than a fine, a return train ticket for the whole family from Gravesend or what you'd pay in, for instance, The Valley car park
    Yes all true.

     But when you go on a day trip do you rock up at say Herne Bay or Brighton and think £15 to park  that’s ok? 
    For 5-6 hours parking? Yes.

    Parking in Bournemouth at The Pavillion is £21 for 6 hours for instance. 

    Parking at Westfield Stratford for up to 6 hours is £19.10, over 6 is £25.30

    Incidentally an all day parking pass in some places in Herne Bay is indeed £15, so yes I'd say it's ok. 

    A half-day on the beach front in Brighton is £17.20, 4 hours at the shops is £16.60
    Well I stand corrected. (Albeit I don’t think people think it’s ok). 

    Two wrongs don’t make a right. 

    I park in Herne Bay for free by the way within 5 mins walk of the ‘arcades’ for what it’s worth. 

    I guess my point is there doesn’t need to be profit in the parking for the club. 

    But if that’s going to be the going rate RBG will win and more will go with the public transport options. The few extra spaces will be used nonetheless I’m sure. 

    As others suggested some sort of arrangement on Woolwich common might be an idea once demand is consistently confirmed. 
    Now what can you do about the 20mph speed limit near that extra parking! 😉😆
  • eaststandmike
    eaststandmike Posts: 14,956
    Carter said:
    sam3110 said:
    £15 is cheaper than a fine, a return train ticket for the whole family from Gravesend or what you'd pay in, for instance, The Valley car park
    Yes all true.

     But when you go on a day trip do you rock up at say Herne Bay or Brighton and think £15 to park  that’s ok? 
    Funnily enough I was immediately thinking £15 is reasonable for Brighton
    Correct, you would struggle to park in Brighton for the day and only spend £15.00 on parking 
  • AFKABartram
    AFKABartram Posts: 57,825
    If only your wages went up at the exorbitant rate that absolutely everything else in life was going up at :-( 

    £15-£30 to park your car! 😢
  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,734
    edited August 6
    The club trying to take profit on off-site parking is the same nonsense as trying to break even on Valley Express - a way of reducing its own ticket revenue.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,318
    Is the option disappearing to park the other side of Charlton Park?

    It was always a bit of a slog back up the hill after the match (handy for me exiting Harvey Gardens from the East Stand), which might be a struggle for some. But never struggled to park around that area, and then just had to deal with Shooters Hill traffic back to the A2
  • Carter
    Carter Posts: 14,246
    The club trying to take profit on off-site parking is the same nonsense as trying to break even on Valley Express - a way of reducing its own ticket revenue.
    Agree 

    The way to go about this is to maximise attendance in the ground. Forgetting the years I was boycotting, since I'd say 2013 it has got harder and harder to reliably get to and from games be that driving or by virtue of southeastern/network rail mucking about 

    I'm not in anyway way qualified in the running of football clubs, at least not as much as anyone else is. What I'd say is engagement with police, the local council, train network operators is absolutely key to enabling people to regularly habitually attend games. I used to be one who would scoff at people doing what I'd see as making excuses for not going whereas now I can't safely do my days work with the little sleep I'd get returning home at midnight and being up at 5.30, weekday games are infinitely harder for me to attend than they were so whilst I don't like not going be that when we are shit or times like now its a grudgingly easy decision to not go which also means I'm less likely to buy a season ticket it I cant attend that many games. 

    By all means facilitate parking and I'll gladly give money to a school, factory, fire station, whatever within sensible reason to park if I drive but don't use it as a revenue stream 
  • fenlandaddick
    fenlandaddick Posts: 1,769
    edited August 6
    Is the option disappearing to park the other side of Charlton Park?

    It was always a bit of a slog back up the hill after the match (handy for me exiting Harvey Gardens from the East Stand), which might be a struggle for some. But never struggled to park around that area, and then just had to deal with Shooters Hill traffic back to the A2
    Ok for now. But whole of Charlton will be CPZ in latest forward thinking proposal by Greenwich Council. 


  • Uboat
    Uboat Posts: 12,195
    edited August 6
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  • clive
    clive Posts: 19,454
    edited August 11
    Rumours coming out of a meeting at Woolwich Town Hall this evening that the council have abandoned plans for CPZ's in two areas Plumstead & Shooters Hill, maybe with enough public pressure the council will withdraw their plans for other areas.

  • Curb_It
    Curb_It Posts: 21,221
    Bloody great result!!! Get in. Well done to all those that protested! 

    We keep our proposals under constant review. Therefore, we have reconsidered our Sustainable Streets proposals and are adjusting our consultation to focus on the four areas we think could benefit most from the Sustainable Streets scheme.

    This means we will be withdrawing the proposals in respect of Shooters Hill and Plumstead areas. The consultation in respect of these areas is closed and we will not be bringing forward permit parking proposals in these areas. This will have no bearing on already existing CPZs in those areas....