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++Charlie Kelman signs on a 4 year deal++
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killerandflash said:Rothko said:Kelman and Leaburn are playing at different times in the game,
Miles has the advantage of coming in against tiring players, we don’t know how he would
have done against two fresh centre halves. Likewise Kelman can’t come on with fresh legs.
suspect the Charlie Kelman we
see post international break will
be a different player
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I think Kelman, if he read this thread, would find the over sensitive comments defending him baffling, indeed hilarious. I've seen several comments attacking people for writing him off, despite nobody on this thread actually writing him off.
He knows that nobody's place in the side is guaranteed, and that we have lots of options in attacking areas. He'll be completely aware that Miles and Tanto have looked really good off the bench, and that both deserve to start. He'll also be especially aware that Godden is a better all round striker than him at the moment, indeed that's why he's been asking Godden for advice. Once Godden is full fit and up to speed, to me he starts games like Bristol City yesterday, as he's the perfect person to lead the line for an hour in a tough away game.
And a reminder that while Kelman scored more goals than Godden last season, Godden actually had the better goals per 90 (0.64 vs 0.56) as he played fewer games and minutes, so it's not as if Kelman is a way better finisher than Godden.
https://www.fotmob.com/en-GB/leagues/108/stats/season/23745/players/goals_per_90/league-one2 -
I don’t see how Kelman should be a guaranteed starter just because we paid £3.5m for him. Leaburn and TC are both probably worth more than that.
Also not sure why people have invented that he didn’t have a pre-season. He wasn’t frozen out at QPR, he did pre-season and played in friendlies for them so he should be fit
I thought he was better yesterday than against Watford, just hope he can continue getting better with each game he plays. I would start Leaburn next week though, just think we need that physical presence up top and TC played well enough to keep his place. It’s easier to come on as a sub and look good so might benefit Kelman coming on fresh against tired legs1 -
NabySarr said:I don’t see how Kelman should be a guaranteed starter just because we paid £3.5m for him. Leaburn and TC are both probably worth more than that.
Also not sure why people have invented that he didn’t have a pre-season. He wasn’t frozen out at QPR, he did pre-season and played in friendlies for them so he should be fit
I thought he was better yesterday than against Watford, just hope he can continue getting better with each game he plays. I would start Leaburn next week though, just think we need that physical presence up top and TC played well enough to keep his place. It’s easier to come on as a sub and look good so might benefit Kelman coming on fresh against tired legsThat’s a fraction of the minutes compared to say Carey or Apter who have both hit the ground running; and less then Tanto, Miles and TC4 -
Rothko said:NabySarr said:I don’t see how Kelman should be a guaranteed starter just because we paid £3.5m for him. Leaburn and TC are both probably worth more than that.
Also not sure why people have invented that he didn’t have a pre-season. He wasn’t frozen out at QPR, he did pre-season and played in friendlies for them so he should be fit
I thought he was better yesterday than against Watford, just hope he can continue getting better with each game he plays. I would start Leaburn next week though, just think we need that physical presence up top and TC played well enough to keep his place. It’s easier to come on as a sub and look good so might benefit Kelman coming on fresh against tired legsThat’s a fraction of the minutes compared to say Carey or Apter who have both hit the ground running; and less then Tanto, Miles and TC0 -
NabySarr said:Rothko said:NabySarr said:I don’t see how Kelman should be a guaranteed starter just because we paid £3.5m for him. Leaburn and TC are both probably worth more than that.
Also not sure why people have invented that he didn’t have a pre-season. He wasn’t frozen out at QPR, he did pre-season and played in friendlies for them so he should be fit
I thought he was better yesterday than against Watford, just hope he can continue getting better with each game he plays. I would start Leaburn next week though, just think we need that physical presence up top and TC played well enough to keep his place. It’s easier to come on as a sub and look good so might benefit Kelman coming on fresh against tired legsThat’s a fraction of the minutes compared to say Carey or Apter who have both hit the ground running; and less then Tanto, Miles and TC
He's probably fit/match fit by most standards but still "off the pace" by Charlton levels.5 -
He needs a goal. Pure and simple. He’s a striker and it’ll be weighing heavy on him until he gets that first one. Once he does the pressure will be off and he’ll grow in confidence. Looking at his goals from last season, they’re not flukes. He knows where the goal is and when he finds his fitness the goals will come.4
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I thought the fact that he was subbed at almost bang on 60 minutes was a clear indicator that his minutes are being managed. I thought he was much busier Saturday and I think we'll continue to see improvements as he gets back to full fitness16
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Kelman will come good, we were saying the same about May and Godden when they had slow starts. Everyone needs to calm down. I’d be worried if he was missing sitters but he’s not, once fully fit he will start scoring. I can’t see how under Jones, he won’t improve.5
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Viktor Gyokeres signed for Arsenal for £64m and yesterday he failed to register a shot on target for the first time since April 2023. Chelsea spent £55m on Joao Pedro and he managed one shot yesterday. It wasn't on target. Coming into an established team as a striker is one of the hardest jobs and as you're dependent on supply from the rest of the team you have to learn to move into areas where the players behind you can find you and to impose yourself on games when the supply isn't coming. Alfie May took a while to adapt and then suddenly was involved all over the pitch, same with Godden. Ahadme couldn't figure out how to fit in around the rest of the team. TC struggled until we changed our shape to give him a bit more space and he became our most important player. I think Kelman will take a bit of time but he just needs to pop up on the end of a couple of crosses or sink a penalty while he's still working on fitting in, same as Godden did18
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Don't feel he presses defence with total conviction.... I'd like to see more effort and commitment in this role0
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Michaelmon said:He needs a song asap
He wanted to leave Loftus Road Kelman Kelman
He tried an East London Postcode Kelman Kelman
He saw us win at Wembley, and said that's where I wanna be
Charlie Kelman, Charlton's 23https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UX92TwUg3w
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dicktracey said:Don't feel he presses defence with total conviction.... I'd like to see more effort and commitment in this role
Seriously though, we saw an improvement at Bristol, he's evidently a work in progress.
He's an intelligent player, and will soon learn to read his team mate's moves.
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Regardless of his goals or lack of them, we need somebody up front who the ball will stick to, and feed him. TC isn't that man.2
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killerandflash said:I think Kelman, if he read this thread, would find the over sensitive comments defending him baffling, indeed hilarious. I've seen several comments attacking people for writing him off, despite nobody on this thread actually writing him off.
He knows that nobody's place in the side is guaranteed, and that we have lots of options in attacking areas. He'll be completely aware that Miles and Tanto have looked really good off the bench, and that both deserve to start. He'll also be especially aware that Godden is a better all round striker than him at the moment, indeed that's why he's been asking Godden for advice. Once Godden is full fit and up to speed, to me he starts games like Bristol City yesterday, as he's the perfect person to lead the line for an hour in a tough away game.
And a reminder that while Kelman scored more goals than Godden last season, Godden actually had the better goals per 90 (0.64 vs 0.56) as he played fewer games and minutes, so it's not as if Kelman is a way better finisher than Godden.
https://www.fotmob.com/en-GB/leagues/108/stats/season/23745/players/goals_per_90/league-one2 -
Gisappointed said:Regardless of his goals or lack of them, we need somebody up front who the ball will stick to, and feed him. TC isn't that man.4
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killerandflash said:I think Kelman, if he read this thread, would find the over sensitive comments defending him baffling, indeed hilarious. I've seen several comments attacking people for writing him off, despite nobody on this thread actually writing him off.
He knows that nobody's place in the side is guaranteed, and that we have lots of options in attacking areas. He'll be completely aware that Miles and Tanto have looked really good off the bench, and that both deserve to start. He'll also be especially aware that Godden is a better all round striker than him at the moment, indeed that's why he's been asking Godden for advice. Once Godden is full fit and up to speed, to me he starts games like Bristol City yesterday, as he's the perfect person to lead the line for an hour in a tough away game.
And a reminder that while Kelman scored more goals than Godden last season, Godden actually had the better goals per 90 (0.64 vs 0.56) as he played fewer games and minutes, so it's not as if Kelman is a way better finisher than Godden.
https://www.fotmob.com/en-GB/leagues/108/stats/season/23745/players/goals_per_90/league-one
My own personal opinion is that Godden was proven at Championship level albeit that he is now 34 and the last time he played at that level he scored 6 goals with no assists in 2,047 minutes which equates to a goal involvement every 3.79 matches so he still has to demonstrate that he can do it at this level once again. Whereas Kelman has proven nothing in the Championship but, there again, he is only 23 and remember that Godden didn't score in the Championship until he was 29. Kelman might too be a late developer but we won't know unless NJ is prepared to play him.0 -
Garrymanilow said:Gisappointed said:Regardless of his goals or lack of them, we need somebody up front who the ball will stick to, and feed him. TC isn't that man.
I’m sure our long term plan is to develop Kelman to be a more well-rounded striker, but that kind of development takes time. So for now it might be that if Kelman starts, he needs someone with him to do those things.I’d be starting Leaburn and TC next week but I’d imagine we will keep with the same team. I don’t mind it because Leaburn and Olaofe as a pair from the bench works well, and finishing the game strongly is obviously a big strength of ours1 -
NabySarr said:Garrymanilow said:Gisappointed said:Regardless of his goals or lack of them, we need somebody up front who the ball will stick to, and feed him. TC isn't that man.
I’m sure our long term plan is to develop Kelman to be a more well-rounded striker, but that kind of development takes time. So for now it might be that if Kelman starts, he needs someone with him to do those things.I’d be starting Leaburn and TC next week but I’d imagine we will keep with the same team. I don’t mind it because Leaburn and Olaofe as a pair from the bench works well, and finishing the game strongly is obviously a big strength of ours2 - Sponsored links:
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Garrymanilow said:NabySarr said:Garrymanilow said:Gisappointed said:Regardless of his goals or lack of them, we need somebody up front who the ball will stick to, and feed him. TC isn't that man.
I’m sure our long term plan is to develop Kelman to be a more well-rounded striker, but that kind of development takes time. So for now it might be that if Kelman starts, he needs someone with him to do those things.I’d be starting Leaburn and TC next week but I’d imagine we will keep with the same team. I don’t mind it because Leaburn and Olaofe as a pair from the bench works well, and finishing the game strongly is obviously a big strength of ours
Kelman last season was in the bottom 20% of league 1 strikers for passes per 90, very little involvement. For comparison, Godden was in the top half, Kone the top 20%, both much more involved for their teams build up
I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect Kelman to improve his back to goal, link up play and aerial ability all in the next month or so. That’s not going to happen, we’ve got him on a long contract which by the end of it he might have improved all of those to the level required and will then be a brilliant all-round striker. For the now though we definitely need to adapt to him, if he’s on the halfway line we need to play the ball to him less often, instead put it in behind for him to chase and turn their defence around0 -
When I started going in the 70's, both players and managers were given a minimum of a season before there were rumblings from the fans.
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NabySarr said:Garrymanilow said:NabySarr said:Garrymanilow said:Gisappointed said:Regardless of his goals or lack of them, we need somebody up front who the ball will stick to, and feed him. TC isn't that man.
I’m sure our long term plan is to develop Kelman to be a more well-rounded striker, but that kind of development takes time. So for now it might be that if Kelman starts, he needs someone with him to do those things.I’d be starting Leaburn and TC next week but I’d imagine we will keep with the same team. I don’t mind it because Leaburn and Olaofe as a pair from the bench works well, and finishing the game strongly is obviously a big strength of ours
Kelman last season was in the bottom 20% of league 1 strikers for passes per 90, very little involvement. For comparison, Godden was in the top half, Kone the top 20%, both much more involved for their teams build up
I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect Kelman to improve his back to goal, link up play and aerial ability all in the next month or so. That’s not going to happen, we’ve got him on a long contract which by the end of it he might have improved all of those to the level required and will then be a brilliant all-round striker. For the now though we definitely need to adapt to him, if he’s on the halfway line we need to play the ball to him less often, instead put it in behind for him to chase and turn their defence around1 -
It doesn't make sense to have two "get in behind them" strikers who start, and two imposing battlers who can hold it up, on the bench. Mix and match.0
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Garrymanilow said:NabySarr said:Garrymanilow said:NabySarr said:Garrymanilow said:Gisappointed said:Regardless of his goals or lack of them, we need somebody up front who the ball will stick to, and feed him. TC isn't that man.
I’m sure our long term plan is to develop Kelman to be a more well-rounded striker, but that kind of development takes time. So for now it might be that if Kelman starts, he needs someone with him to do those things.I’d be starting Leaburn and TC next week but I’d imagine we will keep with the same team. I don’t mind it because Leaburn and Olaofe as a pair from the bench works well, and finishing the game strongly is obviously a big strength of ours
Kelman last season was in the bottom 20% of league 1 strikers for passes per 90, very little involvement. For comparison, Godden was in the top half, Kone the top 20%, both much more involved for their teams build up
I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect Kelman to improve his back to goal, link up play and aerial ability all in the next month or so. That’s not going to happen, we’ve got him on a long contract which by the end of it he might have improved all of those to the level required and will then be a brilliant all-round striker. For the now though we definitely need to adapt to him, if he’s on the halfway line we need to play the ball to him less often, instead put it in behind for him to chase and turn their defence around0 -
Garrymanilow said:NabySarr said:Garrymanilow said:NabySarr said:Garrymanilow said:Gisappointed said:Regardless of his goals or lack of them, we need somebody up front who the ball will stick to, and feed him. TC isn't that man.
I’m sure our long term plan is to develop Kelman to be a more well-rounded striker, but that kind of development takes time. So for now it might be that if Kelman starts, he needs someone with him to do those things.I’d be starting Leaburn and TC next week but I’d imagine we will keep with the same team. I don’t mind it because Leaburn and Olaofe as a pair from the bench works well, and finishing the game strongly is obviously a big strength of ours
Kelman last season was in the bottom 20% of league 1 strikers for passes per 90, very little involvement. For comparison, Godden was in the top half, Kone the top 20%, both much more involved for their teams build up
I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect Kelman to improve his back to goal, link up play and aerial ability all in the next month or so. That’s not going to happen, we’ve got him on a long contract which by the end of it he might have improved all of those to the level required and will then be a brilliant all-round striker. For the now though we definitely need to adapt to him, if he’s on the halfway line we need to play the ball to him less often, instead put it in behind for him to chase and turn their defence around
But that's not really the case. I didn't bring up the goals per game stat to criticise Kelman, but merely to point out that his goal scoring prowess isn't some giant leap forward over what we had already. It's not BWP replacing Pawel Abbott or Super Clive replacing Bradley Allen territory.
Godden when fit can play that role better, but the same also applies to Miles. He's had 2 difficult seasons due to injuries, but the ceiling for him (no pun intended) is massive. Get Miles scoring regularly in the Championship, and his value will be way more than Kelman's, due to his physical attributes as a No 9 in modern football where few teams play 2 out and out strikers up top. And he's 2 years younger.
There is a case for keeping Miles back for the last 30, both due to his fitness issues, and because he's clearly a threat against tiring defences, but at some point he'll want to start games. Ditto Godden.4 -
Will have to do it off the bench if he’s to break his duck1
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It’s easier to do it against tiring defenders / he took time to adjust coming on too late to affect the game1
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Callumcafc said:Will have to do it off the bench if he’s to break his duck3
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Early prediction: he’ll be back on loan at Orient by the end of January13