I truly believe the only true choice we get in life is what we choose to eat. Unfortunately, like anything in life the best choice is usually the hardest choice. Eating healthy is very expensive, and does require a lot of preparation and effort.
It’s all a vicious cycle eat bad food, low energy levels, feel bad, eat bad food. Awful night sleep, eat bad food etc.
Very much believe in the 1% belief of trying to improve by 1% every single day. I stopped drinking in my house during Covid and probably best decision I made.
But the eat less move more crowd…. You bastards haven’t met the menopause!!
Totally get that. Its the same with people with mental health issues and they are given tranquillisers which I'm told kill every bit of energy in your body. My brother has put a huge amount of weight on over the years due to this. He's just been given Mounjaro on the NHS because of his obesity, high BP and Sleep Apnoea.
im currently 17 st mrs is on the jabs and a pal also seen a few side effects upset stomachs most days etc but the results are showing. since ive moved to an office role my eating habits are awful my daily lunch is a sainsburys meal deal and something from the hot counter with a dinner of a ready meal, have curbed midweek drinking but weekends ill average 6/7 pints friday and 9/10 on a saturday if a match day.
The trouble is unless a person changes their lifestyle ie what they eat and how much they move/exercise most people pile it all back on when they stop taking the jabs.
So to my mind it's pointless taking the jabs unless you are going to permanently change your lifestyle.
I have 4 friends here that all used semaglutade and saw remarkable results and their behaviour changed as a result of the jabs, so I’m not sure what you say is entirely true due to how the jabs chemically change your appetite.
I said a person needs to change what they eat and how much they move/exercise. You say their behaviour changed as a result of the jabs. So we are in agreement.
We are, clearly people all over the world struggle with these habits, obesity if out of control, it blows my mind when I go back home and I’m no stick insect!
Like someone else said, the future savings alone to the NHS make these medications worth using, things can’t carry on as they are. Although having just watched Dopesick, I’m a little sceptical we should be trusting anything these pharma companies say, they’re scum of the highest order.
Like Chunes, I think the real solution is education and regulation, but that’s unlikely to happen!
3 weeks in, 1 stone down (from 17 - 16), no side affects. Mounjaro is a game changer for tackling obesity (just a shame about the price hikes which means many will have to exit).
3 weeks in, 1 stone down (from 17 - 16), no side affects. Mounjaro is a game changer for tackling obesity (just a shame about the price hikes which means many will have to exit).
Congrats mate. Price rises are a kick in the balls but it's still cheap compared to most markets
3 weeks in, 1 stone down (from 17 - 16), no side affects. Mounjaro is a game changer for tackling obesity (just a shame about the price hikes which means many will have to exit).
Think Boots took a bit of a hit themselves to keep the price down. You can also get the points on your Boots card so save that way too (If anyone is interested).
I’ve scan read the thread so sorry if I am duplicating but are people finding that the reduction in food and drink bills offsets the drugs’ costs?
Surely if you eat and drink less, you're indeed spending less money. My only question is how long do people plan on taking these drugs ?
Is it the hope that lifestyles also change and eventually stop the meds ?
In the days before fat jabs my wife had a colleague who was seriously overweight. After years of dieting and suffering she decided on a gastric band to try and loose weight. She did lose weight, then went the whole hog and had various cosmetic surgeries (breast, excess stomach skin, thighs, etc) and she looked great like a new person. However, she didn’t change her lifestyle and carried on eating and drinking as before. The result being that she ballooned and all the scars from the cosmetic surgery stretched and widened and became really unsightly. I really felt sorry for her, but if you don’t change your lifestyle you’re not going to change much.
Not belitting anyone who has weight issues or taking the jabs, but it's like giving up booze and fags (did both) a real committment and changing ones life style... To Eat Less, Eat Heathly food & Exercise. Problem is having these game changer jabs, yes they will lose weight but unless there is a complete change of lifestyle with food and fitness then weight will yo - yo and come back on. The Netflixs show "Fit for TV: The Reality of the Biggest Loser" is sobering and well worth a watch!
Having seen the reference to cost, I’m curious how this works.
Are we saying that if you are referred by your doctor you just pay the normal prescription charge but if you seek a private referral/prescription you have to pay for the drugs?
If so, how expensive are these drugs? As I seem to have missed that
What are the long term side effects of these things ?.
And I wonder how many people using them refused to take the Covid vaccine because of the unknown long term side effects.
Side effects from what i've read ain't nice. Same as giving up booze, fags losing weight is a life style choice and committment to eat healthy, exercise and right food. Not easy but it can be done gave up fags 35yrs ago and booze 7 yrs ago and never touched either again
Having seen the reference to cost, I’m curious how this works.
Are we saying that if you are referred by your doctor you just pay the normal prescription charge but if you seek a private referral/prescription you have to pay for the drugs?
If so, how expensive are these drugs? As I seem to have missed that
You need to be quite an extreme case to be referred through the NHS, I think currently you require a minimum BMI of 40. Privately it is 27 with a weight related condition eg cholesterol, or 30 without.
Privately, prices have changed a lot lately, but now a top strength dose is around £280-300 a month, with the starting dose being around £140-£150.
cause I eat sweets and snack even when not hungry !
Mounjaro (which I am taking) is a GLP-1 injection
"GLP-1 is a naturally produced hormone and a class of medications (GLP-1 receptor agonists) that mimic its effects to help control blood sugar and promote weight loss. It works by increasing insulin production, reducing liver sugar output, slowing digestion to increase feelings of fullness, and suppressing appetite, which leads to reduced calorie intake" (this is from ChatGPT)
So whilst the main purpose is to make you feel fuller and stop 'food noise', the effect in those I have spoken to (and this is different per person), including me, is that you are not tempted / addicted to sweet sugary snacks and ultra processed foods nor crave them. I believe this is due to the control of the blood sugar levels to an extend that means sugar is no longer craved.
I used to eat A LOT of sweet stuff. In last 3 weeks, I have probably eaten 1 (very) small piece of cake and a handful of Haribo sweets when very tired at a festival for energy.
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It’s all a vicious cycle eat bad food, low energy levels, feel bad, eat bad food. Awful night sleep, eat bad food etc.
Very much believe in the 1% belief of trying to improve by 1% every single day. I stopped drinking in my house during Covid and probably best decision I made.
Haven't touched peanut butter in months
It's a cost but worth it.
Like Chunes, I think the real solution is education and regulation, but that’s unlikely to happen!
cause I eat sweets and snack even when not hungry !
Is it the hope that lifestyles also change and eventually stop the meds ?
However, she didn’t change her lifestyle and carried on eating and drinking as before. The result being that she ballooned and all the scars from the cosmetic surgery stretched and widened and became really unsightly. I really felt sorry for her, but if you don’t change your lifestyle you’re not going to change much.
Same as giving up booze, fags losing weight is a life style choice and committment to eat healthy, exercise and right food. Not easy but it can be done gave up fags 35yrs ago and booze 7 yrs ago and never touched either again
Privately, prices have changed a lot lately, but now a top strength dose is around £280-300 a month, with the starting dose being around £140-£150.
"GLP-1 is a naturally produced hormone and a class of medications (GLP-1 receptor agonists) that mimic its effects to help control blood sugar and promote weight loss. It works by increasing insulin production, reducing liver sugar output, slowing digestion to increase feelings of fullness, and suppressing appetite, which leads to reduced calorie intake" (this is from ChatGPT)
So whilst the main purpose is to make you feel fuller and stop 'food noise', the effect in those I have spoken to (and this is different per person), including me, is that you are not tempted / addicted to sweet sugary snacks and ultra processed foods nor crave them. I believe this is due to the control of the blood sugar levels to an extend that means sugar is no longer craved.
I used to eat A LOT of sweet stuff. In last 3 weeks, I have probably eaten 1 (very) small piece of cake and a handful of Haribo sweets when very tired at a festival for energy.