Fat Jab

ShootersHillGuru said:

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

If we become too reliant on 'fat' jabs then we're basically giving up on health prevention strategies around healthy eating. We need to be more focused on improving diet and exercise.

People do have some degree of choice over what they eat and whether or not they exercise. There are plenty of parents out there who make bad food choices for their kids and set them up for an unhealthy life - some of this is down to laziness.

I hear you but if only it was as simple as that. Eating disorders are not a lifestyle choice. Yes, in Theory everyone could eat healthily and watch their calorific intake and exercise more but that’s not ever going to happen or even realistic. Most eating disorders are related to mental health issues and not laziness. 

Too simple to label everyone as having an eating disorder- some do but in some cases it's down to laziness. We attribute far too much to mental health rather than personal choice. 

Not according to the medical profession we don’t. Obesity stems from a multifactorial combination of genetic, environmental, societal, and behavioral factors.

From Chat GTP

How Obesity Is Currently Viewed in Medicine

1. 

As a Chronic Disease

• Major health organizations (e.g., World Health Organization, American Medical Association, NICE in the UK) define obesity as a chronic, relapsing disease, not just a lifestyle issue.
• It’s recognised as the result of complex interactions: genetics, hormones, brain signaling, environment, psychology, and lifestyle.
• Like high blood pressure or diabetes, it often requires long-term management, not just short-term dieting.

2. 

A Risk Factor for Other Conditions

Obesity increases the risk of:

• Type 2 diabetes
• Cardiovascular disease (heart attack, stroke, hypertension)
• Certain cancers (e.g., breast, colon, endometrial)
• Sleep apnea
• Joint and mobility problems
• Mental health conditions (depression, anxiety, stigma-related distress)

Doctors view it as both a disease in itself and a driver of other diseases.

3. 

A Condition Often Stigmatized

• Unfortunately, weight stigma is still common in healthcare. Some patients feel judged or dismissed, which can discourage them from seeking care.
• Increasingly, the medical profession is being encouraged to treat obesity without blame, focusing on health outcomes rather than appearance.

4. 

Treatment Approaches

Lifestyle interventions: Nutrition, physical activity, behavioral therapy.

• Medications: GLP-1 receptor agonists (like semaglutide/Wegovy, tirzepatide/Mounjaro), bupropion/naltrexone, orlistat, etc.
• Surgery: Bariatric surgery for severe cases (BMI ≥40, or ≥35 with comorbidities).
• Long-term support: Because relapse is common, obesity treatment is viewed as ongoing, not a “one-time fix.”

5. 

Individualized Care

• Medicine now emphasizes that not every person with obesity is automatically unhealthy, and treatment should focus on:
  
• Improving metabolic health (blood sugar, blood pressure, cholesterol)
• Enhancing quality of life and mobility
• Reducing complications, not just weight loss for its own sake.
• 
  

In summary: The medical profession now recognises obesity as a chronic, multifactorial disease requiring respectful, long-term management. The old view of it being purely a matter of “willpower” is being replaced with a more compassionate, scientific approach.

Would you like me to also explain why some doctors call obesity a “relapsing disease” — and what that means in real-world treatment

ShootersHillGuru said:

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

If we become too reliant on 'fat' jabs then we're basically giving up on health prevention strategies around healthy eating. We need to be more focused on improving diet and exercise.

People do have some degree of choice over what they eat and whether or not they exercise. There are plenty of parents out there who make bad food choices for their kids and set them up for an unhealthy life - some of this is down to laziness.

I hear you but if only it was as simple as that. Eating disorders are not a lifestyle choice. Yes, in Theory everyone could eat healthily and watch their calorific intake and exercise more but that’s not ever going to happen or even realistic. Most eating disorders are related to mental health issues and not laziness. 

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

If we become too reliant on 'fat' jabs then we're basically giving up on health prevention strategies around healthy eating. We need to be more focused on improving diet and exercise.

People do have some degree of choice over what they eat and whether or not they exercise. There are plenty of parents out there who make bad food choices for their kids and set them up for an unhealthy life - some of this is down to laziness.

I hear you but if only it was as simple as that. Eating disorders are not a lifestyle choice. Yes, in Theory everyone could eat healthily and watch their calorific intake and exercise more but that’s not ever going to happen or even realistic. Most eating disorders are related to mental health issues and not laziness. 

Too simple to label everyone as having an eating disorder- some do but in some cases it's down to laziness. We attribute far too much to mental health rather than personal choice. 

Not according to the medical profession we don’t. Obesity stems from a multifactorial combination of genetic, environmental, societal, and behavioral factors.

From Chat GTP

How Obesity Is Currently Viewed in Medicine

1. 

As a Chronic Disease

• Major health organizations (e.g., World Health Organization, American Medical Association, NICE in the UK) define obesity as a chronic, relapsing disease, not just a lifestyle issue.
• It’s recognised as the result of complex interactions: genetics, hormones, brain signaling, environment, psychology, and lifestyle.
• Like high blood pressure or diabetes, it often requires long-term management, not just short-term dieting.

2. 

A Risk Factor for Other Conditions

Obesity increases the risk of:

• Type 2 diabetes
• Cardiovascular disease (heart attack, stroke, hypertension)
• Certain cancers (e.g., breast, colon, endometrial)
• Sleep apnea
• Joint and mobility problems
• Mental health conditions (depression, anxiety, stigma-related distress)

Doctors view it as both a disease in itself and a driver of other diseases.

3. 

A Condition Often Stigmatized

• Unfortunately, weight stigma is still common in healthcare. Some patients feel judged or dismissed, which can discourage them from seeking care.
• Increasingly, the medical profession is being encouraged to treat obesity without blame, focusing on health outcomes rather than appearance.

4. 

Treatment Approaches

Lifestyle interventions: Nutrition, physical activity, behavioral therapy.

• Medications: GLP-1 receptor agonists (like semaglutide/Wegovy, tirzepatide/Mounjaro), bupropion/naltrexone, orlistat, etc.
• Surgery: Bariatric surgery for severe cases (BMI ≥40, or ≥35 with comorbidities).
• Long-term support: Because relapse is common, obesity treatment is viewed as ongoing, not a “one-time fix.”

5. 

Individualized Care

• Medicine now emphasizes that not every person with obesity is automatically unhealthy, and treatment should focus on:
  
• Improving metabolic health (blood sugar, blood pressure, cholesterol)
• Enhancing quality of life and mobility
• Reducing complications, not just weight loss for its own sake.
• 
  

In summary: The medical profession now recognises obesity as a chronic, multifactorial disease requiring respectful, long-term management. The old view of it being purely a matter of “willpower” is being replaced with a more compassionate, scientific approach.

Would you like me to also explain why some doctors call obesity a “relapsing disease” — and what that means in real-world treatment

If we simply medicalise obesity then we are just going down the path to normalising it which is what seems to be happening in society. It's become increasingly acceptable to overeat and to become less physically active - maybe we're just accepting it's inevitable.

Solidgone said:

After a series of diets and exercising I’ve given up as the needle of the scales only seems to waver. I think I eat healthily and not excessively and  rarely eat fast foods. My only sin is drinking alcohol mainly wine which I’m sure is the root cause of my failure to reduce weight. But my main concern is diabetes any my last blood count showed that I’ve tip toed over to diabetes 2. And so enough is enough, I’m starting my course of fat jabbing on Mounjaro from Sunday (after a good piss up after the match on Saturday).

Has anybody else considered or undertaking this course of action to reduce weight? 

Solidgone said:

An update on my take of the fat jab. I’ve lost just over 2 kilos in one and a half weeks ( hoping for 3 kilos by the end of the 2nd week). Mind you I’ve changed my diet and frequently exercise (gym and walking). A major cut back on alcohol but still have a half a bottle of vino with my evening meal. 

The fat jab does curb your appetite but for it to be successful you need to have that focus on losing weight. As an example, I’ve just eaten in my local restaurant and struggled to eat grilled salmon with carrots, broccoli and spinach. No way could I have had a starter or desert and I felt bloated but I would have done before the jab. 

I will need to have a blood test soon as I seriously need to avoid diabetes 2 of which I’ve tip toed over the line. 

I’m determined to reduce weight after a series of failed diets but this jab is certainly helping me in my quest. 

BalladMan said:

cabbles said:

Solidgone said:

An update on my take of the fat jab. I’ve lost just over 2 kilos in one and a half weeks ( hoping for 3 kilos by the end of the 2nd week). Mind you I’ve changed my diet and frequently exercise (gym and walking). A major cut back on alcohol but still have a half a bottle of vino with my evening meal. 

The fat jab does curb your appetite but for it to be successful you need to have that focus on losing weight. As an example, I’ve just eaten in my local restaurant and struggled to eat grilled salmon with carrots, broccoli and spinach. No way could I have had a starter or desert and I felt bloated but I would have done before the jab. 

I will need to have a blood test soon as I seriously need to avoid diabetes 2 of which I’ve tip toed over the line. 

I’m determined to reduce weight after a series of failed diets but this jab is certainly helping me in my quest. 

I never even knew these things existed until recently.  So, it suppresses your appetite based on what I’ve picked up on here, and I’m assuming (could be wrong), there’s an element of psychological reinforcement/placebo effect attached to it, as people that use it see results, and gain a sort of momentum in trying to keep the weight off?

I only ask as I mentioned this thread to my missus tonight and she said a lot of her friends were on it.  I had no idea this was such a thing.  

With anything like this, if people are unhealthily overweight, I hope it helps, but I hope there are no long term side effects on the organs etc 

Whilst the appetite supression is key (and for me was almost instant) it is the change in blood sugar in your body which means you do not crave (and possibly even feel repelled by) sweet and processed food. When I am hungry, all my body craves is the nutrients that are good for you from protein, fibre and veg. 

This is my experience and not saying this is true for all. 

ME14addick said:

Nobody wants to be overweight or obese, but it's far more complicated than just eating too much. I can put weight in incredibly easily, but taking it off is very much harder.

If differs greatly from other addictions, as we all have to eat to live. We have to eat something and often the easiest things to eat are processed foods, which are quick and easy to prepare if time is short. Taking recreational drugs and drinking alcohol are choices, if you never start to use them, you won't become addicted.

shine166 said:

ME14addick said:

Nobody wants to be overweight or obese, but it's far more complicated than just eating too much. I can put weight in incredibly easily, but taking it off is very much harder.

If differs greatly from other addictions, as we all have to eat to live. We have to eat something and often the easiest things to eat are processed foods, which are quick and easy to prepare if time is short. Taking recreational drugs and drinking alcohol are choices, if you never start to use them, you won't become addicted.

So over eating is a mental health disease and other drugs are a choice, righto. 

Pretty much as I expected. 

Chunes said:

Watched Educating Yorkshire last night and there was a boy with behavioural problems who disrupted every class he was in. The teachers noticed he was much worse after lunch, so they asked his mum about his eating habits. Turned out he ate chocolate Weetabix for breakfast every day, with sugar put on top, plus a coffee with three sugars. For lunch, he'd only eat pizza if it was available – otherwise it was a cookie, along with a family-sized chocolate bar and sugary energy drink. They managed to change his diet, and he calmed right down and could finally focus in class. 

It made me think about eating habits and how they develop. I used to eat chocolate shreddies before school, chips and a chocolate bar for lunch, another chocolate bar after school and then probably go home and eat a load of bourbon biscuits, before I had a ready-meal dinner. There are millions of kids growing up like this. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, we have the second-highest consumption of ultra-processed food in the world.

I get that many will feel it comes down to education and not being lazy, but I feel like it's much more than that. You are trying to undo lifelong eating habits formed before you were even old enough to have a choice. Your body and metabolism have been conditioned to crave and depend upon these foods. And when cheap, ultra-processed food is everywhere and often the only convenient option, it's no wonder so many people end up stuck in the same cycle. If these drugs can help break that, it can only be a good thing.